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    Hyundai and Kia Get Served A Class-Action Lawsuit

      Deals with an engine defect that can cause a fire to erupt

    Hyundai and Kia find in themselves in a bit of legal trouble. Last week, the law firm Hagens Berman filed a class-action lawsuit against the Korean automakers over an alleged defect on two engines; the 2.4L four-cylinder and turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder from the Theta II family. 

    The defect in question is a flaw in the engine design that “restricts or blocks oil flow to the engine’s moving parts, such as connecting rod bearings, prematurely wearing out those parts to the point that the engine parts seize, which stops engine operation while running. Engine seizure often causes internal parts, such as the connecting rods, to break and knock a hole in the engine, permitting fluids to leak and ignite a fire,” according to the lawsuit. More than 350 complaints have been filed on National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) on models equipped with these engines,

    • 2011-2019 Hyundai Sonata
    • 2011-2019 Kia Optima
    • 2011-2019 Kia Sportage
    • 2012-2019 Kia Sorento and Soul
    • 2012-2019 Kia Soul
    • 2013-2019 Hyundai Santa Fe
    • 2013-2019 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport

    Bloomberg reports that NHTSA has opened an investigation into the "timeliness and scope of the carmakers’ recalls related to manufacturing errors in “Theta II” engines." Hyundai has issued two recalls in 2015 and 2017 for certain Sonata and Santa Fe models. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York meanwhile has opened a criminal investigation into this issue.

    When reached for comment, Hyundai Motor declined to say anything about the lawsuit. In a statement, the company said that “nothing is more important than the safety and security of Hyundai customers,” noting that it is 

    cooperating with the U.S. Department of Transportation and the NHTSA.

    “Over the past three years, we have held numerous meetings with DOT and NHTSA representatives, and proactively discussed and identified possible safety items for NHTSA’s evaluation, including the engine recalls. NHTSA has been fully briefed and kept apprised of these recalls and low rates of associated non-collision fires,” said Hyundai Motor.

    Source: Bloomberg



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    12 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    There are reasons Hyundai and KIA rank at the bottom of the American automotive universe for me.

    Name one car manufacture which didn't have class action suit filed against it or major recall issued?

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    44 minutes ago, ykX said:

    Name one car manufacture which didn't have class action suit filed against it or major recall issued?

    All of them have...I just don't have much trust for Hyundai products.

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    it is the sort of thing that reinforces a deserved or undeserved stereotype.  Hyundai wants to be a big boy with a new Genesis G70 and get awards, etc. they have to get by this just like GM would if it were them.

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    lol GM couldn’t even make ignition switches properly and people here say Hyundai is somehow bottom of the barrel...

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    42 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

    lol GM couldn’t even make ignition switches properly and people here say Hyundai is somehow bottom of the barrel...

    Yet Hyundai's leaders, after Toyota, VW, GM and the others, with their respective scandals, still did not learn from past history, and decided to screw the consumer anyway...

    I wouldnt be laughing at these people here...

    In fact, Id invite these people in here to laugh at you in failing to troll them successfully...

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    8 hours ago, FAPTurbo said:

    lol GM couldn’t even make ignition switches properly and people here say Hyundai is somehow bottom of the barrel...

     

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    44 minutes ago, frogger said:

     

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    You just mad because GM is shutting down Oshawa...

    Be mad at GM for shutting down Oshawa, but do not confuse the two things here...

    Actually, be more mad at Unifor for facilitating GM's decision for Oshawa.

    Be mad at Ontario's premier's for not allowing Ontario to be more competitive for factories...

    Be mad at North Americans for choosing CUVs and SUVs instead of buying the Impala, Regal and Cadillac XTS...

    I think the Equinox was built at Oshawa, so there is that, but then again, be mad at Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau and the present political climate and be mad at Mexico for having its factory workers being paid slave wages and the US having trade deficits (not with Canada though but still...) and all that...

    Be mad at GM's decision to put all their eggs in their electric and autonomous basket and because Ontario and Unifor were NEVER kinda fair for GM and its Oshawa plant, this was a long time coming for Oshawa...

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    28 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Some strong anti GM sentiment here...

    Im not surprised. 

    GM has brought this upon themselves too...

    Starting with, what is good for GM is good for the country.  GM became too big to fail. GM then became complacent and arrogant, much like some Canadian  provincial and federal Premiers and certain American Presidents...and well, you get cutting corners on ignition switches and bailout fallouts and closing factories that really piss off people. 

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    35 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    Im not surprised. 

    GM has brought this upon themselves too...

    Starting with, what is good for GM is good for the country.  GM became too big to fail. GM then became complacent and arrogant, much like some Canadian  provincial and federal Premiers and certain American Presidents...and well, you get cutting corners on ignition switches and bailout fallouts and closing factories that really piss off people. 

    All I know is what I want to drive....

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    4 hours ago, ocnblu said:

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    WOW, No wonder you have to replace your car every year, that mass of prickly steel wears a hole in the seat. 😮 

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    27 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    WOW, No wonder you have to replace your car every year, that mass of prickly steel wears a hole in the seat. 😮 

    It explains the burr up his butt when it comes to electric cars.

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    2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

    You just mad because GM is shutting down Oshawa...

    Be mad at GM for shutting down Oshawa, but do not confuse the two things here...

    Actually, be more mad at Unifor for facilitating GM's decision for Oshawa.

    Be mad at Ontario's premier's for not allowing Ontario to be more competitive for factories...

    Be mad at North Americans for choosing CUVs and SUVs instead of buying the Impala, Regal and Cadillac XTS...

    I think the Equinox was built at Oshawa, so there is that, but then again, be mad at Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau and the present political climate and be mad at Mexico for having its factory workers being paid slave wages and the US having trade deficits (not with Canada though but still...) and all that...

    Be mad at GM's decision to put all their eggs in their electric and autonomous basket and because Ontario and Unifor were NEVER kinda fair for GM and its Oshawa plant, this was a long time coming for Oshawa...

    I'm not mad I just thought the gif was good.  I don't have any sentimentality about plants or any of the models or manufacturers in general.   Still lots of manufacturers and vehicles to choose from.

     

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    Given that this is only one set of engines, Hyundai/KIA could simply engineer a new engine without all those issues and start again with a newer models to replace those bad ones. 

    Two questions: who was in charge of quality control that allowed this to happen?  Also, who will be held responsible for this mess inside the firm?

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    54 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

    Given that this is only one set of engines, Hyundai/KIA could simply engineer a new engine without all those issues and start again with a newer models to replace those bad ones. 

    Two questions: who was in charge of quality control that allowed this to happen?  Also, who will be held responsible for this mess inside the firm?

    What makes you think their next attempt would be any better than the current one?

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    5 hours ago, frogger said:

    I'm not mad I just thought the gif was good.  I don't have any sentimentality about plants or any of the models or manufacturers in general.   Still lots of manufacturers and vehicles to choose from.

     

    Well...Im mad!!!

    Im mad about all those things I mentioned in my post to you!!! 

    Im mad at Justin Trudeau for not actually talking to Mary Barra or any GM CEO about this. Im mad at Justin Trudeau AND Doug Ford for just kissing each other on the cheek and agreeing with each other that nothing can be done instead making a BIG stink about it to General Motors AND Donald Trump. ESPECIALLY not making a BIG stink to Donald Trump. If his tyrades were only targeted at the right subjects...

    Because you just know, that GM closing 5 plants, 4 in the US, is just GM giving the middle finger to Donald Trump for Donald Trump giving several middle fingers to GM since he became POTUS...

    But who pays the price for all these middle fingers?  18 000 North American workers is who!!!

    Im mad at North American consumers for neglecting what made North America the envy of the world. Im mad at ourselves for allowing our politicians selling us off to corporate greed way back in the 1980s when we started this trend of overconsumption...

    But...with Hyundai...I can see that corporate greed on their end is the same as anywhere else that puts money in front of anything else...

    And we got ourselves to blame for that...

    We North Americans, we do overconsume. And corporations feed on our voracious appetite.  

    Despite all these plant closures, and possibly more to come, we havent learned our lesson from the last economic crisis in 2008-2009...

    We continue to overconsume...

    What does this have to do with Hyundai?

    Well...everything!!!

    If we just keep what we got and we demand as consumers better products...and we vote with our pockets, not with our voracious appetite for junk and overconsumption, but with truly well built stuff when we buy, with cash, not credit, and we dont replace every little thing we own every other month...then and only then corporate greed might come to an end...

    Also, if we go in the streets and riot once in a while, like the French in Paris just did...maybe just maybe, corporate greedy CEOs, lobbyists and crooked politicians might actually listen to us...

    Did we riot in the streets when GM released the news of these plant closures?

    Did we riot in the streets when we heard that Hyundai or GM or VW or whatever corporate thief did something bad to our society whether it be ignition switches or the diesel scandal or whatnot?

    The French had enough with their governments tax hikes...Makron had no choice to retract...

     

     

     

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    1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

    Im mad at North American consumers for neglecting what made North America the envy of the world.

    If we just keep what we got and we demand as consumers better products

    america is the envy of the world because it has choice and we chose to not buy gm’s crappy cars precisely because consumers do demand better products...

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    6 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

    america is the envy of the world because it has choice and we chose to not buy gm’s crappy cars precisely because consumers do demand better products...

    Yet they buy crappy Hyundais and Toyotas and VWs...

    And Mercedes Benzes and Audis (part of VW) and Bimmers...

    And Nissans...

    To my knowledge, all these car companies all had there share of crappy, non-reliable products. Some of them even killed people with their greedy schemes.

    Yeah! Like GM!  

    So...

    Try again! 

     

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    8 hours ago, dfelt said:

    WOW, No wonder you have to replace your car every year, that mass of prickly steel wears a hole in the seat. 😮 

    Not shocked that my point was missed.  THOSE ARE NOT MY KEYS.  :rolleyes:

    8 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    It explains the burr up his butt when it comes to electric cars.

    It has to be something else because those are not my keys.  Gee... I wonder what it could be... hmmm...

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