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Sales Figure Ticker: September 2018

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As the leaves begin to change color, how did automakers fare in September?

Quarterly:
General Motors Co. - Down 11.1% (694,638 Vehicles Sold This Quarter, 2,168,808 Vehicles Sold This Year)

Monthly:
FCA US LLC - Up 15% (199,819 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,679,983 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Volvo Cars of North America, LLC - Up 10.3% (8,715 Vehicles Sold This Month, 69,981 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Subaru of America, Inc. - Up 3.5% (57,044 Vehicles Sold This Month, 503,418 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Hyundai Motor America - Up 1% (57,359 Vehicles Sold This Month, 501,701 Vehicles Sold This Year)
BMW of North America - Up 0.2% (29,369 Vehicles Sold This Month, 259,258 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Kia Motors America - Down 1.8% (51,503 Vehicles Sold This Month, 452,042 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Volkswagen of America - Down 4.8% (30,555 Vehicles Sold This Month, 266,228 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mercedes-Benz USA - Down 5% (30,715 Vehicles Sold This Month, 254,366 Vehicles Sold This Year)
American Honda Motor Co. - Down 7% (132,668 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,206,997 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Jaguar Land Rover North America - Down 7.1% (9,006 Vehicles Sold This Month, 86,080 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Porsche Cars North America, Inc. - Down 7.1% (5,102 Vehicles Sold This Month, 42,626 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mitsubishi Motors North America - Down 8.6% (7,705 Vehicles Sold This Month, 93,398 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Toyota Motor North America - Down 10.4% (203,098 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,824,235 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Ford Motor Company - Down 11.2% (197,404 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,887,625 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Nissan Group - Down 12.2% (122,819 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,124,682 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mazda North American Operations - Down 17.4% (21,257 Vehicles Sold This Month, 235,122 Vehicles Sold This Year)

Audi of America -

Brands (Quarterly):
Buick - Down 7.3% (45,911 Vehicles Sold This Quarter, 155,606 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Cadillac - Down 10.7% (37,291 Vehicles Sold This Quarter, 113,240 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Chevrolet - Down 11.4% (485,019 Vehicles Sold This Quarter, 1,504,038 Vehicles Sold This Year)
GMC - Down 11.3% (126,417 Vehicles Sold This Quarter, 395,924 Vehicles Sold This Year)

Brands (Monthly):
Acura - Up 4.4% (13,511 Vehicles Sold This Month, 114,483 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Alfa Romeo - Up 29% (1,639 Vehicles Sold This Month, 18,160 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Audi -
BMW - Up 1.3% (25,908 Vehicles Sold This Month, 225,065 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Chrysler - Down 7% (14,683 Vehicles Sold This Month, 127,156 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Dodge - Up 41% (42,101 Vehicles Sold This Month, 359,728 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Fiat - Down 46% (1,185 Vehicles Sold This Month, 12,084 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Ford - Down 11.3% (189,236 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,812,345 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Genesis - Down 75.8% (419 Vehicles Sold This Month, 8,909 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Honda - Down 8.2% (119,157 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,092,514 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Hyundai - Up 3% (56,940 Vehicles Sold This Month, 492,792 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Infiniti - Down 1.6% (12,536 Vehicles Sold This Month, 105,249 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Jaguar - Down 38.1% (2,040 Vehicles Sold This Month, 20,947 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Jeep - Up 14% (83,764 Vehicles Sold This Month, 746,194 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Kia - Down 1.8% (51,503 Vehicles Sold This Month, 452,042 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Land Rover - Up 8.7% (6,966 Vehicles Sold This Month, 746,194 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Lexus - Down 6.1% (24,597 Vehicles Sold This Month, 213,622 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Lincoln - Down 7.2% (8,168 Vehicles Sold This Month, 75,280 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mazda - Down 17.4% (21,257 Vehicles Sold This Month, 235,122 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mercedes-Benz - Down 9.8% (26,169 Vehicles Sold This Month, 225,384 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mercedes-Benz Vans - Up 44% (4,448 Vehicles Sold This Month, 28,023 Vehicles Sold This Year)
MINI - Down 7.4% (3,461 Vehicles Sold This Month, 34,193 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Mitsubishi - Down 8.6% (7,705 Vehicles Sold This Month, 93,398 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Nissan - Down 13.3% (110,283 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,019,433 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Porsche - Down 7.1% (5,102 Vehicles Sold This Month, 42,626 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Ram Trucks - Up 9% (56,447 Vehicles Sold This Month, 416,661 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Smart - Down 59.3% (98 Vehicles Sold This Month, 959 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Subaru - Up 3.5% (57,044 Vehicles Sold This Month, 503,418 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Toyota - Down 10.9% (178,501 Vehicles Sold This Month, 1,610,613 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Volkswagen - Down 4.8% (30,555 Vehicles Sold This Month, 266,228 Vehicles Sold This Year)
Volvo - Up 10.3% (8,715 Vehicles Sold This Month, 69,981 Vehicles Sold This Year)

Edited October 2, 20187 yr by William Maley

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A Horse With No Name

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October 2, 20187 yr

A tough month for car sales. This does not bode well for the economy in general.

G. David Felt

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October 2, 20187 yr

10 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

A tough month for car sales. This does not bode well for the economy in general.

I truly think we have hit a peak and a cooling period is beginning for the North American Market.

I also think many buyers are holding off till the OEMs have their EVs on the lots to kick the tires and consider if they want to go that way or not.

A Horse With No Name

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October 2, 20187 yr

56 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I truly think we have hit a peak and a cooling period is beginning for the North American Market.

I also think many buyers are holding off till the OEMs have their EVs on the lots to kick the tires and consider if they want to go that way or not.

The market is changing in a lot of ways. Fuel prices may well go up, which will change the dynamic once again. I like that GM held on to its passenger car production in North America. I think that may bode well for them.

Mazda is also way down. One wonders how long they will hang on as an independent-shades of Studebaker and Packard here.

25ThTA

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October 2, 20187 yr

I feel sad for Ford getting rid of their passenger cars. If the trend is towards higher fuel prices, they better pull a rabbit out of the hat to make trucks and SUV's super fuel efficient. Electric is still a long way off from being mainstream.

A Horse With No Name

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October 3, 20187 yr

3 hours ago, 25ThTA said:

I feel sad for Ford getting rid of their passenger cars. If the trend is towards higher fuel prices, they better pull a rabbit out of the hat to make trucks and SUV's super fuel efficient. Electric is still a long way off from being mainstream.

I don't. Shutter the Ford plants...all of them. Permanantly.

riviera74

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October 3, 20187 yr

GM got beat up on the sales front across the board. Not many sales increases anywhere either.

Horse, how many Fords have betrayed you over the years for yo to feel that way?

daves87rs

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October 3, 20187 yr

Still waiting for the other shoe to drop...so far, the economy is holding steady. Even though jobs are really coming on to their own, thr big stuff like cars and houses are on the way down.....

The biggest issue now is going to be gas prices, as I see them going up.....

balthazar

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October 3, 20187 yr

Genesis down 76% ????

ocnblu

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October 3, 20187 yr

We are reading the last chapter of Genesis already, and they only just begun.

loki

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October 3, 20187 yr

15 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Mazda is also way down. One wonders how long they will hang on as an independent-shades of Studebaker and Packard here.

perhaps, but they have a turbo cx-5 coming, and the skyactiv-x engine around the corner. rumor has it the 3 and the cx-3 will get the 2.0 x. it will be interesting what the market will do with these products...when they hit lots.

ykX

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October 3, 20187 yr

35 minutes ago, loki said:

perhaps, but they have a turbo cx-5 coming, and the skyactiv-x engine around the corner. rumor has it the 3 and the cx-3 will get the 2.0 x. it will be interesting what the market will do with these products...when they hit lots.

Overall Mazda is doing ok:

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/global-sales-mazda-posts-third-straight-record-year/

"Global sales: Mazda posts third-straight record year. Mazda Motor Corporation established a new best mark for global vehicle turnover during the 2017-18 fiscal year that ended on 31 March. With 1,631,000 units sold, up 5% or 72,000 from the previous year, the Japanese carmaker set its third-consecutive record while also recording its fifth year of uninterrupted growth"

A Horse With No Name

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October 3, 20187 yr

4 hours ago, ocnblu said:

We are reading the last chapter of Genesis already, and they only just begun.

Even sarcasm fails me at this point...and that is saying something.

11 hours ago, riviera74 said:

GM got beat up on the sales front across the board. Not many sales increases anywhere either.

Horse, how many Fords have betrayed you over the years for yo to feel that way?

Which makes me think it is the economy slowing down. GM does not lack for products.

Ford is a long strange love hate relationship with me. I will be more rational and rant less.

1 hour ago, ykX said:

Overall Mazda is doing ok:

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/global-sales-mazda-posts-third-straight-record-year/

"Global sales: Mazda posts third-straight record year. Mazda Motor Corporation established a new best mark for global vehicle turnover during the 2017-18 fiscal year that ended on 31 March. With 1,631,000 units sold, up 5% or 72,000 from the previous year, the Japanese carmaker set its third-consecutive record while also recording its fifth year of uninterrupted growth"

Good to know, they are quite the innovative car company.

8 hours ago, balthazar said:

Genesis down 76% ????

And we are surprised...why?

frogger

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October 3, 20187 yr

Genesis has 3 sedans, no CUV's... They really failed to read where the market was going.

A Horse With No Name

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October 3, 20187 yr

1 hour ago, frogger said:

Genesis has 3 sedans, no CUV's... They really failed to read where the market was going.

The market is also really saturated with fantastic product at the moment. Not product that excites me as an enthusiast....but fantastic product.

A Horse With No Name

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October 3, 20187 yr

Not to mention last year we had a hurricane in Texas that flooded the market with insurance money...pun intended.

smk4565

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October 3, 20187 yr

Genesis sold 1 G70. Good job on that.

ykX

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October 3, 20187 yr

3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Genesis sold 1 G70. Good job on that.

G70 just started to get to dealers

At the moment I can't even find any for sale around me

balthazar

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October 3, 20187 yr (edited)

Edsel sold 44,891 units in model year '59.

For MY 60, given pre-introduction production, let's give Edsel 2 months of production (the new models were intro'd 10/15, discontinuation was announced 11/19).
They sold 2,486 cars, which would extrapolate out to about 14K for a full year.

44,891 to 14,xxx is a 70% decline.

Historically & business case-wise, it's hard to imagine a 2020 Genesis dealership being open. I say that, under the glaring inconsistency that is 14-year old money-burning Tesla.

Edited October 3, 20187 yr by balthazar

regfootball

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October 4, 20187 yr (edited)

many other brands were down so I don't think GM looks real bad here or anything.

I think this is natural market cooling, and in part because i think we are seeing resistance to the more and more absurd MSRP's. But the market wanted expensive CUV's and trucks and maybe its time for the automakers to back of the heavy optioned and expensive vehicles and try to serve the lower ends of the market a little better now. And maybe some folks will move back to cheaper mid size sedans, or not.

It's probably ok for housing and car sales to cool off a bit. The used market may heat up then, which is ok too.

from Ward's auto

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The newly redesigned Chevy Traverse large CUV saw sales rise 3.1% to 32,908 units, while its Buick Enclave platform-mate enjoyed a 7.1% sales spike to 12,807. However, sales of the 3-row GMC Acadia, a slightly smaller take on the Traverse and Enclave, were nearly halved to 13,485.

Maybe its time to wake up that why in the hell did they downsize the Acadia topic again

Edited October 4, 20187 yr by regfootball

A Horse With No Name

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October 4, 20187 yr

18 hours ago, balthazar said:

Edsel sold 44,891 units in model year '59.

For MY 60, given pre-introduction production, let's give Edsel 2 months of production (the new models were intro'd 10/15, discontinuation was announced 11/19).
They sold 2,486 cars, which would extrapolate out to about 14K for a full year.

44,891 to 14,xxx is a 70% decline.

Historically & business case-wise, it's hard to imagine a 2020 Genesis dealership being open. I say that, under the glaring inconsistency that is 14-year old money-burning Tesla.

You have to wonder, with Ford being highly profitable and selling for relatively low prices per share, and Tesla burning cash left right and sideways....and being valued in the stratosphere. Something is really irrational about those stock market prices.

18 hours ago, balthazar said:

Edsel sold 44,891 units in model year '59.

For MY 60, given pre-introduction production, let's give Edsel 2 months of production (the new models were intro'd 10/15, discontinuation was announced 11/19).
They sold 2,486 cars, which would extrapolate out to about 14K for a full year.

44,891 to 14,xxx is a 70% decline.

Historically & business case-wise, it's hard to imagine a 2020 Genesis dealership being open. I say that, under the glaring inconsistency that is 14-year old money-burning Tesla.

I always wanted a 60 Edsel convertible, which is a fairly uncommon car.

balthazar

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October 4, 20187 yr

76 built. Yep- that's rare. ;)

riviera74

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October 5, 20187 yr

No Edsel equivalents these days. That marque would be run out of the market in three years, just like Edsel.

G. David Felt

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October 5, 20187 yr

13 hours ago, riviera74 said:

No Edsel equivalents these days. That marque would be run out of the market in three years, just like Edsel.

Maybe a Chinese company is the next Edsel.

A Horse With No Name

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October 5, 20187 yr

On 10/3/2018 at 2:55 PM, smk4565 said:

Genesis sold 1 G70. Good job on that.

One born every minute...

3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Maybe a Chinese company is the next Edsel.

No, they will be too well financed and the Chinese actually govern themselves like adults, unlike what we see in Washington from both parties. Once the Chinese get their foot in the door they will be here to stay permanently.

Managed to convince the rental company to give me a Pacifica for this weekends debate trip. Chrysler did that one right. I wish that Chrysler had stayed an American company and kept bringing out innovative product. They came so damned close. And yet they are so far....

regfootball

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October 5, 20187 yr

^^^^ its pretty amazing how decent the new Pacifica is, that won me over for a van and it drives better than a lot of CUV's and sedans, its why there's one in my garage right now.

the guts of the Pacifica would be alright for a large sedan and crossover as well. LHS anyone?

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