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Something to think about!!

Very interesting statistics

Subject: A little gun history

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decide for yourself the validity of the information!

Thought you might appreciate this .

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.

From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides

with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

It will never happen here?

I bet the Aussies said that too.

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

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most of the examples you give is democide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

that same up tick, up talk about in aussie land, is supposedly happening in the UK.

"less guns" doesn't mean it's safer.

not having gun control is how we became a country and what the founders prolly thought about with the 2nd amendment.

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I found that on the web without sources cited, so I can't vouch for it.

But, I have always believed that the 2nd ammendment was put there to protect us from the worst excesses of our own government.

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Why has our world seemingly been overrun by people that want to dictate our lives for the "greater good"

These people need to leave me alone and let me live my life. Otherwise I might become one of those 'criminals'

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Who wrote this one? Are there people that really believe the deportations and mass killings would not have happened if German people could bear arms? :nono:

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The 2nd Amendment is THE most important, esp. because the longevity

of the 1st directly depends on the 2nd. Just like Charlton Heston said:

From my cold, dead henads!

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I'd like to see you stand up to the Army's 21st battle division with your twelve gauge.

If you want to bare arms, go for the good stuff.

tsar01a.jpg

Tzar Bomba - Largest nuclear device ever detonated.... and was tested at only 1/2 it's designed yield.

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Growing up in a country/city where guns are only something you see cops wearing or watch in movies/TV shows, its really weird for me when I spend time in Raleigh, NC where most of my work associates seem to carry them in their gloveboxes or center console.

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I'd like to see you stand up to the Army's 21st battle division with your twelve gauge.

If you want to bare arms, go for the good stuff.

tsar01a.jpg

Tzar Bomba - Largest nuclear device ever detonated.... and was tested at only 1/2 it's designed yield.

There is a certain level of impracticality to the use of nuclear weapons when quelling internal rebellion. :AH-HA_wink:

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There is a certain level of impracticality to the use of nuclear weapons when quelling internal rebellion. :AH-HA_wink:

I'm talking about using it to defend against the government.

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The counter arguement could be made also. There are a jillion people bearing arms in Packistan and Afghanistan, crime is obscenely common, and more guns won't change things.

But I believe in the right to bear arms and like sixty eight said, from my cold dead hands.

Chris

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I could think of several creative uses for the Nuke though....

Chris

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I'm a big supporter of the Second Amendment. I truly believe every American has the right to bear any arms that were readily available in when the Constitution was ratified in 1791. :rolleyes:

Try robbing a 7-11 with a musket that takes 20 seconds to re-load and is nearly 4 feet long! Ha!

I am sure that Madison and others would be absolutely horried at Uzis and pistols that are readily available today.

Honestly, I will never understand some people's paranoia about having to own a gun. There simply is no rational reason for owning one in a modern society. Flame away, but owing a gun and living in a condo makes as much sense has having a hay bailer parked in the driveway.

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Honestly, I will never understand some people's paranoia about having to own a gun. There simply is no rational reason for owning one in a modern society. Flame away, but owing a gun and living in a condo makes as much sense has having a hay bailer parked in the driveway.

Agreed...I've never owned a gun, never had a reason to...I've always viewed the US gun fixation as a strange rural Republican thing that I will never understand...

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Agreed...I've never owned a gun, never had a reason to...I've always viewed the US gun fixation as a strange rural Republican thing that I will never understand...

Well, you are not alone - a great many people don't understand. That doesn't mean that the private ownership of guns is a negative thing, it only means that understanding is in short supply.

Also, to classify gun ownership as a "rural Republican thing " is to miss the scope of things completely.

My position is simple, I don't currently have a use for a gun - so I don't have one. However, if it looks like that right is likely to be taken away, I will secure one immediately.

I take the restriction of personal freedom quite seriously.

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Who wrote this one? Are there people that really believe the deportations and mass killings would not have happened if German people could bear arms? :nono:

I think Mussolini wrote it! :smilewide:

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I think Mussolini wrote it! :smilewide:

Since the thread is about guns, it must have been someone of Mussolini's caliber :lol:

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I'm a big supporter of the Second Amendment. I truly believe every American has the right to bear any arms that were readily available in when the Constitution was ratified in 1791. :rolleyes:

Try robbing a 7-11 with a musket that takes 20 seconds to re-load and is nearly 4 feet long! Ha!

I am sure that Madison and others would be absolutely horried at Uzis and pistols that are readily available today.

Honestly, I will never understand some people's paranoia about having to own a gun. There simply is no rational reason for owning one in a modern society. Flame away, but owing a gun and living in a condo makes as much sense has having a hay bailer parked in the driveway.

Because it's fun to just go out for target practice? Just like I own a jet ski because I like to go jet skiing. Whats wrong with owning a gun as a hobby?

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Since the thread is about guns, it must have been someone of Mussolini's caliber :lol:

[rimshot]

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[rimshot]

errrrr.... since English is not my native language, I'll need an explanantion on that one :blush:

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errrrr.... since English is not my native language, I'll need an explanantion on that one :blush:

You know how, in some old comedies, when someone told a joke or made a pun, you would hear a really short drum solo (usually a snare drum, then a cymbal)?

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The reason I own a gun is simple...

People have been getting robbed and shot around my school, so I figure I'll not be a victim. Especially since I average leaving studio at 2-3 in the morning a lot of times.

And my hometown is overrun with drugs and violence now ('wannabe' gangstas and their 'gang wars') so I figure I'll not be a victim.

As far as the rural Republican thing. I'm a country boy at heart and an independent/moderate by nature that currently lives in the main arts district of (5 mins outside of) one of the largest and fastest growing cities in America.

It's hardly my political affiliation or upbringing that inspires my gun ownership.

(Not to mention I'm a huge dude, so if someone is going to fight me, they're going to probably pull some sort of weapon)

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