Japanese Tarrifs

[turbo200]

I've been thinking about this and wanted to start a thread about it because it's so unbelieveable this practice still exists and the US has done nothing about it. Just how much do the tarriffs increase the average price of a Cavalier or Corvette, since I know those are about the only American cars that sell in Japan. This is probably the most backhanded thing any company can do, not because Japan Inc are selling so extraordinarily well, but because of all the other pressures in addition to this ridiculous form of trade GM must follow in Japan. So if anyone knows what the real price difference becomes, can they speak up about it? Does this make anyone else as mad as me. The JApanese sell extraordinary amounts of cars, how would they like it if we did the same thing thier protectionist government does to us. Is it fair that we can't look out for our own industry here? We allow everyone else to take advantage of the glorious American dollar, but other countries have to use practices such as these to stop us from selling product in their market?

[Clownzilla]

I would GREATLY support heavy tariffs on countries that impose unfair monitary practices on us. I would even enter politics (which I can't stand) to push this cause. We (the USA) should stand up against these practices! Yeah, it would anger the anti-domestic automobile buyers................but that's just too bad!

[the_yellow_dart]

I could see it on cars - up the sticker on Japanese cars by $500. Consumer products, however, it definately would NOT work for. Putting tariffs on all that cheaply produced stuff would send the economy reeling on both sides of the ocean.

[pow]

I believe the tarrifs are applied to all imports, not US-specific.

[CaddyXLR-V]

I believe the tarrifs are applied to all imports, not US-specific.

[post="31255"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

That still doesnt make it fair

[pow]

That still doesnt make it fair

[post="31257"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Then nor would taxing Japanese cars exclusively, as suggested by a few members.

[razoredge]

Im in favor of huge tarrifs on all Asain built cars, even if they are owned by GM or Ford, also any American manufactured cars by Asain held companies. 2-3 grand per vehical, no wait, how about 20%. Then it wouldnt discriminate against the low priced cars and favor the wealthy in their Lexus's and Infinities. All imported products should have the same 20% tariff. Canada is exempt Perhaps this would help pay for all the babysiting we have done across the world. Or help out on the industries that were sold out and left many retirees high and dry that our government had to step in and help. These tarriffs should stay in effect until all these other countries have raised the standard of their people and environment to that standard we (once) had. Anti protectionalists need their head examined. Do you have children. Do you know anything about the natural tendency to look out for your own. Ya'll make it sound like protectionalism is a dirty word but its not, its natural. You look out for your own kind. If you dont you are a spinless wimp. *you is no one in particular, unless you are one that thinks protection is a dirty word.

[Newbiewar]

how do we start a petition? i'll sign... I believe we should have the same tarrifs on countrys that tax our products there... meaning if Japan taxes X% on US Products, then we ought to tax X% on japaneese products sold here, anything from GI Joes to Cars

[Northstar]

There was an article in Monday's Autonews today about the Yen and how lots of people think it's unfair. Toyota/Honda/Nissan/etc., save an average of $3000 on EVERY normal car made, meaning Civic, Accord, Camry, Corolla, Altima, etc. AND, on every luxury sedan and SUV (not just luxury SUVs though) they save an average of TWEVLE THOUSAND DOLLARS per vehicle. I'm not going to do the math, but when you sell about 4.5 million vehicles a year, and a good portion of them are SUVs and luxury cars (and some expensive crew cab trucks that are probably in the same profit range as the SUVs), you're going to be saving BILLIONS.

[razoredge]

There was an article in Monday's Autonews today about the Yen and how lots of people think it's unfair.

Toyota/Honda/Nissan/etc., save an average of $3000 on EVERY normal car made, meaning Civic, Accord, Camry, Corolla, Altima, etc. AND, on every luxury sedan and SUV (not just luxury SUVs though) they save an average of TWEVLE THOUSAND DOLLARS per vehicle.

I'm not going to do the math, but when you sell about 4.5 million vehicles a year, and a good portion of them are SUVs and luxury cars (and some expensive crew cab trucks that are probably in the same profit range as the SUVs), you're going to be saving BILLIONS.

[post="31308"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I cant follow this for some reason, what country, whos saving, and how is it they do so ?

[Northstar]

The Japanese are saving $3000 on every normal bread-and-butter car and $12000 on every SUV and luxury vehicle they sell compared to the Americans makes because of the Japanese government tampering with the Yen (and therefore giving the Japanese a huge trade advantage when it comes to currency). Hopefully that sums things up.

[Grimlock]

wow...if this is true how does the big 2.5 compete let alone gain ground against them??

[lakefire]

the world is truely screwed if y'all want to tax the hell out of everything. Tariffs will only limit your options of what to buy and raise the price of what to buy. Anyone in favor of this should just right me a check instead.

[pow]

The Japanese are saving $3000 on every normal bread-and-butter car and $12000 on every SUV and luxury vehicle they sell compared to the Americans makes because of the Japanese government tampering with the Yen (and therefore giving the Japanese a huge trade advantage when it comes to currency).

Hopefully that sums things up.

[post="31346"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

How to they tamper with the Yen?

[I hope GMRULES again]

The problem is the government doesn't care about imports and tariffs. I just saw a news story on CNN tonight about the amount of goods being imported from China into the U.S. Something like 100k manufacturing jobs have been lost to China in the past year. To quote Lou Dobbs himself, "The middle class in this country is crumbling and nobody in Washington cares." Sad.

[Cory Wolfe]

Im in favor of huge tarrifs on all Asain built cars, even if they are owned by GM or Ford, also any American manufactured cars by Asain held companies. 2-3 grand per vehical, no wait, how about 20%. Then it wouldnt discriminate against the low priced cars and favor the wealthy in their Lexus's and Infinities.

All imported products should have the same 20% tariff.

Well... that would truly kill GTO sales. Most already consider it expensive as it is...

[pow]

The problem is the government doesn't care about imports and tariffs. I just saw a news story on CNN tonight about the amount of goods being imported from China into the U.S. Something like 100k manufacturing jobs have been lost to China in the past year. To quote Lou Dobbs himself, "The middle class in this country is crumbling and nobody in Washington cares." Sad.

[post="31383"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Since when did the middle class work in factories churning out whatever tasteless crap it is that people buy at Wal-Mart?

[Member55]

Anytime I buy something for $5 that would otherwise cost me $10(if made in the US) it's like my income went up by $5.

[razoredge]

Since when did the middle class work in factories churning out whatever tasteless crap it is that people buy at Wal-Mart?

[post="31401"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

First, I mean really, saying since when and Walmart in the same sentence ? Whats Walmart in mass 15 years ?

Most of the manufacturing and construction sectors were always middle class. Along with the teachers and Police and local govenment peoples, ect. many Americans worked and lived at that level. In many cases on one income. It was a much more humble middle class at least as far as real estate and what somebody considered a good house and a good car and volumn of toys, but everybody was livin and thats what counts.

We had General Electric and American Locomotive Co. in my basic area as well as some auto industry jobs. Ford had one plant, I forget what was made there. An arsonal, Knolls Nuclear but they are still strong. Albanys a capitol so I see lots of State employees in this area too.

[razoredge]

Anytime I buy something for $5 that would otherwise cost me $10(if made in the US) it's like my income went up by $5.

[post="31407"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Or maybe your income is slack $5 http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/AH-HA_wink.gif

[razoredge]

Incidently - Walmart peoples are not Middle Class. So theres one of the favorite job replacements sometimes mentioned. Perhaps this is the sum of todays America ? A "Walmart State " ..........lol ;-0 Edited October 20, 2005 by razoredge

[Member55]

Or maybe your income is slack $5  http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/AH-HA_wink.gif

[post="31413"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

There is nothing "maybe" about saved $5 but yours "maybe" is just maybe. http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/AH-HA_wink.gif

[balthazar]

Im in favor of huge tarrifs on all Asain built cars, even if they are owned by GM or Ford, also any American manufactured cars by Asain held companies. 2-3 grand per vehical, no wait, how about 20%. Then it wouldnt discriminate against the low priced cars and favor the wealthy in their Lexus's and Infinities.
All imported products should have the same 20% tariff.
Canada is exempt

I have no problem with this whatsoever. In fact, I second the motion whole-heartedly.

[Northstar]

How to they tamper with the Yen?

[post="31380"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Japan buys billions of dollars on global currency exhanges and thereby artificially weaken the Yen.

In addition to it costing less for the Japanese makers to make vehicles, it also costs US automarkers more to sell cars in Japan. This also means that every dollay the Japanese companies make in the US is worth more in Yen in Japan.

Last week the Yen to dollar ratio was 114 to 1. A fair ratio would be somewhere in the 90-100 to 1 ratio.

[Newbiewar]

There is nothing "maybe" about saved $5 but yours "maybe" is just maybe. http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/AH-HA_wink.gif

[post="31424"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

sure... you may have saved 5$... but that is short term...

in america, every time you spend something built here in the USA, in some # of days, a percent of what you spend will eventually find its way back in your pocket...

example... Henry Ford, doubled the average wage for his assembly builders so they could afford the cars they were producing... he also had workers that didnt need to be there, if the buisness was streamlined, he wouldnt need as many workers as he had, but he was paying them so they could buy his products...

basically if you buy a car that Mr. neighbors assembled down the street, he'll get to see some of you're money, and perhaps he'll goto the local grocery spend that money, and maybe someone at the grocery store, goes to you're place of work and buys something... that money is back in you're company, or back in your hands...

but if you dont buy locally, it wont come back around...

We outsource thousands of jobs to build anything and everything to japan, and we send our money over there... and do they buy any of our products? probably not in the same quanity, because our products are taxed... so... who is really benifiting by sending our money to them, when they wont give it back...?

I say tax the toy soldiers and tax the japanese automakers... until they stop taxing us... Edited October 20, 2005 by Newbiewar