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I'm just going to say it.

The US needs to "grow a pair" on so many fronts, or just start to fade away into the mists of history.

I'm tired of all the screwing around with BS and minutae, let's actually do something meaningful for a change.

Grrr.

And ,hey, let's act as a nation for once instead of a bunch of shallow bastards that can't see beyond the end of their own noses.

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I could not agree more. Lets impeach the morons in the white house and the rest of them in both the house and senate for screwing up everything. Especially not taking care of Social Security, Medicare, etc. Everyone willing to say no Pork Barrel Fat, but not willing to actually do it. Sell out this country for an elite few and instant gratification and not think about long term of our country, our senoirs, and leading the world forward. We have lost our space edge, Technology on many fronts including H1 Visa's for workers due to the lazyness of people.

Screw the Republicans and Democratics. Indepentant seems to be the best of all worlds at this point. Why do we have to have a socialist system of health care for everyone? You get what you deserve based on how hard you work. I am so tired of hearing people say they deserve this or that due to the way people have treated them or their relatives or a certain race.

:soapbox: Yea now you got me on the soap box again. I will end now before it gets too long. :mr-t:

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Someone knew ahead of time...

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He didn't actually handle that knowledge effectively though...

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Here are two things I believe we ought to be doing instead of holding pissing contests over how folks live their private lives or how the latest round of regulations will keep us safe and insulated from the world.

1. An all-out national effort to become energy independent via new fuels and technology with immediate real world applications. I'm talking about removing any regulatory road blocks and incentivising the mission. I want to see an all out push with real deadlines for certain benchmarks. Success should be judged by the percent of oil consumption displaced by the new fuels and technologies. Push this in every way.

2. The other aspect should be a project that stirs the soul and expands the boundaries of human experience in a way that all of the world will be in awe of and feel a sense of pride in the possibilities for the entire human race. Of course, I am talking about space exploration. We should already be out there with regularity finding out what we haven't yet imagined. And I am talking manned exploration - humans need a frontier to take them away from the petty bickering over the finite scraps of old resources. We have already lost so much valueable time.

It is way beyond time that we, as a nation, had some ambition and the drive to do what hasn't been done. The bigger things that can, and have, moved the whole Earth forward. It's time to do big things, things that only a nation like ours can do. Instead of wallowing in our own stagnant details and divisive, yet meaningless, squabbles. We used to know how to lead by example, and need to do so again. Or, just take our ball and go home.

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I'd say he was rather effective. Constructive, now that's another matter.

But no one can say he didn't 'grow a pair' in response to a situation he recognized....

EDIT: I have to say that overall I'm not in favor of space exploration because the ROI is so utterly dismal. I recognize the image contribution, but unless we were going manned to Mars or another rock, which is so scientifically & logistically formidable, I don't think even the ROI on anything like another jaunt to the moon compares to the '69-era trips' pep rally.

I would immensely prefer actual ET contact, now that would truely be new and would certainly refocus the trivial. Or, more feasibly, increased Earth exploration, such as oceanic.

Your energy point I can get behind.

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I'd say he was rather effective. Constructive, now that's another matter.

But no one can say he didn't 'grow a pair' in response to a situation he recognized....

Well, I see it as him just getting himself added to the list of wackos and doing nothing to move his agenda forward.

Thus, ineffective.

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Well, yeah, but at least he acted instead of doing nothing.

Point taken.

If we all could act in concert for something for a change, I'd feel much better about the future.

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Point taken.

If we all could act in concert for somethig for a change, I'd feel much better about the future.

Now, now it will be alright, just take der Börger's hand and we will walk into the future together. :AH-HA_wink:

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Now, now it will be alright, just take der Börger's hand and we will walk into the future together. :AH-HA_wink:

:rolleyes:

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I'd say he was rather effective. Constructive, now that's another matter.

But no one can say he didn't 'grow a pair' in response to a situation he recognized....

EDIT: I have to say that overall I'm not in favor of space exploration because the ROI is so utterly dismal. I recognize the image contribution, but unless we were going manned to Mars or another rock, which is so scientifically & logistically formidable, I don't think even the ROI on anything like another jaunt to the moon compares to the '69-era trips' pep rally.

I would immensely prefer actual ET contact, now that would truely be new and would certainly refocus the trivial. Or, more feasibly, increased Earth exploration, such as oceanic.

Your energy point I can get behind.

I think we should be out there, getting used to coping with space and studying all we can find. The potential is unlimited except by our reluctance to explore. Some ROI we can predict, but I feel certain that most of the ROI we can barely imagine. Ultimately, I see it as an evolutionary challenge to our species - what an adaptation if the fruit flies can leave the finite confines of the jar.

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So what do you think is possible: Moon colonization, or space station condos? Those 2 aside, space to me looks like going INTO the jar. You know what I mean- the next galaxy is completely out of reach, what space offers seems, conservatively, to be very little, esp compared to the billions involved. What are we possibly going to get out of the Mars rock samples... beyond a new chapter in geologist's textbooks?

I'm all for optimism as long as it's tendered with reality (does that make me pessimistic?) :wacko:

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What'd you say, Bob? Anything further than about an inch past my face is pretty blurry.

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So what do you think is possible: Moon colonization, or space station condos? Those 2 aside, space to me looks like going INTO the jar. You know what I mean- the next galaxy is completely out of reach, what space offers seems, conservatively, to be very little, esp compared to the billions involved. What are we possibly going to get out of the Mars rock samples... beyond a new chapter in geologist's textbooks?

I'm all for optimism as long as it's tendered with reality (does that make me pessimistic?) :wacko:

Colonization of both the Moon and Mars would certainly be on my agenda. The exploration of near space is so incomplete that we can't even say what our own solar system might have to offer us. Space tourism will become a reality soon, and we should be leading that endeavor. The limits of materials science will be expanded by creating artificial environments for space, the moon and Mars. Certain processes can only be done in zero G, and that branch of science is newborn yet. So much of what is to be learned out there would have profound implications for life on Earth as well. I see infinite possibilities when I think of space exploration and adaptation to its environments both real and artificial. And, I don't believe that other galaxies are forever out of reach - unless we remain afraid to take the first steps. I don't think you are being a pessimist, but maybe there is more to the story than what you (or any of us) have thought of.

Finally, without such a frontier, I believe that we will eventually destroy ourselves. I see it as a safety valve against the fuit fly's fate.

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If the energy issue is successfully dealt with paying for the space program will seem like pocket change. :AH-HA_wink:

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Colonization of both the Moon and Mars would certainly be on my agenda.

We'll miss you. Don't forget to write! :AH-HA_wink:

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We'll miss you. Don't forget to write! :AH-HA_wink:

At the rate we are going, I'll be dead of old age before it happens.

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So what do you think is possible: Moon colonization, or space station condos? Those 2 aside, space to me looks like going INTO the jar. You know what I mean- the next galaxy is completely out of reach, what space offers seems, conservatively, to be very little, esp compared to the billions involved. What are we possibly going to get out of the Mars rock samples... beyond a new chapter in geologist's textbooks?

I'm all for optimism as long as it's tendered with reality (does that make me pessimistic?) :wacko:

Space exploration is a collasal waste of time and money, IMHO. But since Bush has been talking about Mars alot, I'd love to see him and Cheney take a one-way trip to Mars (or the Sun).

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Space exploration is a collasal waste of time and money, IMHO.

I couldn't disagree more. :nono:

Edit: I t certainly beats a bridge to nowhere, or studying the sex life of a gnat.

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Anyway, you guys get the jist of my point.

What other positive projects should we ,as a nation, undertake?

I know I could think of some.

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Anyway, you guys get the jist of my point.

What other positive projects should we ,as a nation, undertake?

I know I could think of some.

I'd be happy if the Federal government would secure the Southern border of the United States. :scratchchin:

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Anyway, you guys get the jist of my point.

What other positive projects should we ,as a nation, undertake?

I know I could think of some.

return to what the founders gave us... a federal government to secure our country from internal and external threats, but if they did that i think 98% of federal government would/should implode.

abolishing the IRS, the FED, the selective service.

positive projects... pay our soldiers well and take care of the injured from the wars we wage at any cost, and prop up soldiers families if they are KIA.

your energy ideas... I can see why you want to have a reward system, but that won't necessarily get the best ideas on the table to production, cause I think growing hemp would supplant our energy/industry needs quite quickly.

as far as space goes... I'd say fund the next gen shuttle (something thrifty, but awesome), not a rehash of the Saturn 5, like planned ( i think )...something like the..X38 or something, don't remember at the moment.... then dwindle NASA funding for 20-30 years.

anything else?

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I think we need to develop a speed limitless road system like the autobahn. I recommend the book American Autobahn. It details how the development of both the autobahn and the US freeway system, how the different countries attitudes on speeding differ, the rise of the "safety Nazis" in the US government and how letting engineers and car guys/gals decide auto regulations is a better idea than letting bureaucrats make all the decisions. We need to follow Germany's example of more rigorous driver training and road maintenance. We need DWI laws that actually get drunk drivers off the road and not just the casual drinkers. We need law enforcement to take the guy blabbing on his phone, drifting from shoulder to shoulder off the road and not the guy doing 80mph in a 70mph. The fastest way to get people to stop speeding is to legalize it, making it boring and less glamorous. In short, we need to make an effort to actually make the roads safer, not just cynically raise revenue while people needlessly die.

very nice. aren't the only speed limits over there in bad weather and maybe some "blind areas", if you're going >120mph...?

engineering cars to be more capable doing these speeds is obviously happening...but the price of gas "now a days" is pushing the spectrum of cars the other way

^- i kinda didn't want to go there, but I think it was inevitable, so i made a comment first.

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