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Tell me what that one political issue is that is near and dear to your heart. The one that would get you involved enough to support a candidate on that issue alone. Remember just pick your main one.

For me it's Illegal Immigration. Shut down the Southern border of the USA, and I don't care if you have to put a Berlin style wall up manned with soldiers, with orders to Shoot to Kill.

Come in the legal way, no problem! Sneak across the border, well then you take your chances with the wall and the guns.

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The national debt

Exactly....this is the largest of many failings of the Republican party over the last 30 years.

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Outsourcing, we have already lost so many manufacturing jobs in this country. Bic, Bethlehem Steel, Whirlpool, and of course the many jobs cut by the big 3.

And McDonald's doesn't count as job growth, loosing $25 and hour jobs means that $7.65 and hour cashier jobs won't cut it for those who have families etc.

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Tell me what that one political issue is that is near and dear to your heart. The one that would get you involved enough to support a candidate on that issue alone. Remember just pick your main one.

For me it's Illegal Immigration. Shut down the Southern border of the USA, and I don't care if you have to put a Berlin style wall up manned with soldiers, with orders to Shoot to Kill.

Come in the legal way, no problem! Sneak across the border, well then you take your chances with the wall and the guns.

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Kinda...individual freedom to me connotes less of the "community responsibility" aspect that "civil liberties" connotes IMO. "With freedom comes responsibilities."

Therein lies the difference between us: I largely see "community responsibility" as bunk.

"Personal responsibility" is another matter.

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OK, now I'm curious.

What do you mean by a "service-oriented upbringing"?

When I started getting an allowance, 10% had to be set aside for the charity of my choice. I went to a Catholic grade school for 5 years, so there were always food drives, soup kitchens, and service projects to be done. High school always had a "Help for the Holidays" toy/food/clothing drive, and community service was a graduation requirement.

Like, the community/environment I grew up in put an emphasis on service, so as a result I have no problem whatsoever with a "greater good," "community responsibility" mindset with regards to my political views.

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The national debt.

It's crippling out country. Our next war will (is??) be fought financially.

Read about what happened to Britain in the 1950s to understand why that was the final blow to them being a major power.

The important bit:

The British Empire eventually declined, of course, and in 1956 it endured the humiliating demise of its great-power status in a clash over the Suez Canal. U.S. policymakers should take note: Britain was brought to its knees not by a military defeat but by an economic one—specifically, America's refusal to support the British pound, which created a monetary crisis for the British government, forcing it to call off its ill-advised campaign with France and Israel to recapture the Suez Canal after nationalization by Egypt. As its international debt grows, the United States becomes ever more vulnerable to its own Suez moment.
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When I started getting an allowance, 10% had to be set aside for the charity of my choice. I went to a Catholic grade school for 5 years, so there were always food drives, soup kitchens, and service projects to be done. High school always had a "Help for the Holidays" toy/food/clothing drive, and community service was a graduation requirement.

Like, the community/environment I grew up in put an emphasis on service, so as a result I have no problem whatsoever with a "greater good," "community responsibility" mindset with regards to my political views.

do you believe these are best personal ideals/responsibilities, or should charity work be required of people?

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do you believe these are best personal ideals/responsibilities, or should charity work be required of people?

I believe personal charity should be a personal choice, but I'm simultaneously very much in approval of government social programs to help the poor, whether in the form of affordable housing subsidies, welfare, or other aid.

I think every American should engage in some kind of personal community betterment--whether it's with a charitable organization or just by doing park cleanups, adopt-a-road, etc.--but I don't think it should be REQUIRED by law.

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I give to five charities per anum, and I give big bucks too.

1. American Diabetes Association (Diabetes runs in my family)

2. Delaware Humane Association (Delaware’s only non-profit, lifelong care animal shelter and adoption center)

3. A Catholic grade school in Delaware that is for Catholic children of Italian decent.

4. My Catholic High School in Texas.

5. My Catholic Grade School in Texas.

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I believe personal charity should be a personal choice, but I'm simultaneously very much in approval of government social programs to help the poor, whether in the form of affordable housing subsidies, welfare, or other aid.

I think every American should engage in some kind of personal community betterment--whether it's with a charitable organization or just by doing park cleanups, adopt-a-road, etc.--but I don't think it should be REQUIRED by law.

I agree to your second part. I think the gov't overdoes it to a fault though, generally. I'll try to do more when i'm not in school and have a good job that I don't practially break even with.

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When I started getting an allowance, 10% had to be set aside for the charity of my choice. I went to a Catholic grade school for 5 years, so there were always food drives, soup kitchens, and service projects to be done. High school always had a "Help for the Holidays" toy/food/clothing drive, and community service was a graduation requirement.

Like, the community/environment I grew up in put an emphasis on service, so as a result I have no problem whatsoever with a "greater good," "community responsibility" mindset with regards to my political views.

OK, now I understand.

I've never been much for the "It Takes a Village" thinking - kinda turns my stomach.

For me it's more personal, as in helping an individual person in need.

Just how I'm wired.

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Speaking of charities, I give to several annually--

1. American Cancer Society, since I lost my father and an uncle to cancer... both directly and through my participation in Relay For Life every year

2. ASPCA

3. American Humane Society

4. Westie Rescue

5. Australian Terrier Rescue

6. Hospice Foundation of America

7. Allied Jewish Federation of Colorado

8. Free Software Foundation

plus my alma maters.

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Individual freedom, followed closely by the general demise of America (economic, educational, social).

Britain's already pretty far down the path toward an authoritarian government and the British people don't seem to bat an eye; the US seemed to be heading that way, but hopefully a change of leadership will reverse the damage that has been done. Our government has done things that would cause the founding fathers to hang their heads in shame if they were alive today.

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Individual freedom, followed closely by the general demise of America (economic, educational, social).

Britain's already pretty far down the path toward an authoritarian government and the British people don't seem to bat an eye; the US seemed to be heading that way, but hopefully a change of leadership will reverse the damage that has been done. Our government has done things that would cause the founding fathers to hang their heads in shame if they were alive today.

Agreed on all counts. Britain kinda scares me, but I look at it that they don't have the history and tradition of individual freedom and liberty to the extent that Americans are accustomed.

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Agreed on all counts. Britain kinda scares me, but I look at it that they don't have the history and tradition of individual freedom and liberty to the extent that Americans are accustomed.

Britain has a few gun rights groups that are spring up in an attempt to get firearms back in the hands of citizens. It is rather funny to see them cite AMERICA for proof that guns are needed. The statistics they use are interesting anyways.

Its a hallmark of an authoritarian government though, disarm your citizens so they cannot defend themselves from you.

Those poor blokes.

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OK, now I understand.

I've never been much for the "It Takes a Village" thinking - kinda turns my stomach.

For me it's more personal, as in helping an individual person in need.

Just how I'm wired.

We need to attack it from both the left and the right. We need, for instance, real financial help for the gifted Science student when she comes from a poorer family. The governmetn can do that.

We need individuals to give to individual charities.

I'm not religious, per se...but the notion that "God doesn't give a man more money so he can go from a Chevy to a Lexus, he gives them more money so a family in Africa can get one step further from starvation" goes along way with me.

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The Republicans only pretend to be pro-life so that they can get redneck evangelicals to vote for them so they can pursue their real agenda - supply side tax cuts and Neocon foreign policy.

that's quite a refutable opinion... and maybe not even worth a response. but seriously... how could you make such a bad generalization.

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The Republicans only pretend to be pro-life so that they can get redneck evangelicals to vote for them so they can pursue their real agenda - supply side tax cuts and Neocon foreign policy.

I am not going to go there. That is my issue and has always been and will be important to me. The right to life. I don't consider myself a redneck and I do take offense to your sweeping generalization. Sorry I don't have a more trendy or hip issue. THE TOPIC IS NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR HEART. So I posted mine. If you have a problem with take a hike don't offend someone. :unitedstates::angry:

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Regarding Abortion: It should most certainly be allowed under special / extreme circumstances, but not so the woman who sleeps around doesn't have to be burdened with a kid.

My :twocents:

Also regarding drugs: I see no reason why they should be legalized beyond the naive hope that it will slow or put an end to illegal drug distribution. I mean seriously, you have to be a pretty big looser to rely on a drug to escape your problems instead of facing them, or can't find a better way to get a rush.

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ahh politics i love them. i hold quit a few issues dear.

Federal/National Debt: What a bunch of $h!. The generation above me (you old chronies) has got away with low taxes (not your fault but your governments fault) and racked up the national debt. The scuffles in the world through out the late 80's through today have caused lots of money to be spent but without raising taxes. During World War 1 or 2 maybe, some old chronie ( a smart one) (The President), made the Income Tax to help finance the war debts. He also said no one should profit from war and heavily taxed the defense companies of america. Instead during the Bush Administration theres been tax cuts. No one to pay for the war or any other debt racked up in the last 20 years

besides the people below you. Demand that the Debt be payed off.

Individual Liberty

Such as things like drug usage. Im no drug user on any standard but i dont think the government should give a flying f about drug usage. I mentioned this as an example for how the government is way to restrictive.

Abortion

I am pro life. Not because im religious (not at all sadly) but because babies in the womb or not are people too and no one has the right to kill people.

Policing the world.

Its a dirty job but no one better to do it. Basically if Hugo Chaves keeps opening his fat mouth or i hear another cocky peep out of Putin we should go over there and kick some ass. (all while rasing taxes and not violating individuals liberty or killing any babies)

Im opinionated, i know, i love to share as well. I love my Con Law and Am History classes.

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The Republicans only pretend to be pro-life so that they can get redneck evangelicals to vote for them so they can pursue their real agenda - supply side tax cuts and Neocon foreign policy.

yea they definitely do that because they also want to throw off a bunch of democrats votes. And you see more redneck evangelicals having electoral votes than democrats so its definitely them trying to please a certain more important demographic (rednecks) not them just doing what they think is right.

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now that i think about it more.

National Debt if the government has a surplus than it can loan out money for low rates making the housing and buying market work out.

I personally see no point in any welfare programs anymore because the few that abused it make the rest suffer. All "projects" should be privatized like medical systems. Privatized ambulance services work faster and better than government run ones. besides a Capitalist Country needs more things to capitalize on. however there needs to be regulations.

Medicare/Medicaid. needs to go away. we need a new system something like Canada's but better. like mix japans, Canada's, UK's, Germany's, and Switzerland's all in one. Spend a billion in research and take the best and package it together.

Gun control. I love my guns but i understand that their needs to be stricter regulations on the buying process and who is getting them.

Abortion/Gay marriage Should not have anything to do with picking a president.

Taxes. We need a reform big time. however its a double edge sword. you change it then you put people out of a job H&R block, etc. im pro flat rate tax. like 25% 18% Federal 7% state. 5% sales tax that should go towards things like education or alternative energy's. Its fair and can be flexible I mean after there is a surplus than there can be rebates to citizens.

I think We should Make NASA cool again look what it did in the 60's gave us things like microcomputers, wd-40, and pride to be the best in the world.

Military Look at Israel..

maybe I'm crazy but who knows. I do know we need to cut spending/ increase taxes payback our debts and F*** Iraq. give the soldiers there checks and bring them home so they can buy some houses camaros and mustangs and stimulate the economy. think 50's

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Bush's tax cuts actually increased government revenue ya know.

and caprice, what do you mean by more gun regulations?

are you in favor of the nearly useless assault weapons ban (considering these types of guns are used in less than 2% of gun related crimes, i would consider it a useless banning of rifles because they look "scary") or just forcing people to register their guns?

As our economy quickly fails, government revenue will certainly fall. Iraq spending will start to fade as we give more and more control to the Iraqis. Short of cutting government spending, i dont know how we can help the economy while reducing our debt. If our congress was not so inept, our oil companies no-bid contracts with Iraq would likely have helped bring in some revenue.

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I am not going to go there. That is my issue and has always been and will be important to me. The right to life. I don't consider myself a redneck and I do take offense to your sweeping generalization. Sorry I don't have a more trendy or hip issue. THE TOPIC IS NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR HEART. So I posted mine. If you have a problem with take a hike don't offend someone. :unitedstates::angry:

It wasn't a comment about you, it was a comment about the politicians who use abortion as a political football. You think Bush really cares about abortion? Hell no, he cares about making his cronies richer and killin terrorist with his little GI Joe men. He only cares about abortion as long as it gets him elected.

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Re: Abortion. I'm very ambivalent on the issue, because I think both sides have a very good point, and I also think that neither side really listens to the other.

I was raised Catholic, so I grew up indoctrinated in the right to life philosophy, which I still largely agree with. And what people who try to use slogans like "my body, my choice" don't seem to acknowledge is that if you view the uterus as a living person, then that argument becomes completely irrelevant once the egg is fertilized.

That's the one side. I get it. But despite this, I can't align myself with that viewpoint. One, I think the main impulse for the pro-life stance is religious (though not for everyone, admittedly.) But more importantly, I realized that the behavior of those politicians who push a "pro-life agenda" isn't consistent with the actions of someone who is working to prevent abortion, but is instead consistent with those who wish to deny women control over their own sexuality and push for a regressive view of sexuality in general. The Sarah Palins of the world, who are against abortion, but are also against teaching teenagers about basic contraception, even though it's been proven to be a horrible strategy. We hold the woman accountable, but men are too easily allowed to get off without responsibility, and our society isn't exactly that supportive of single women who do get pregnant.

Funny thing is, the proponents of neither side like abortion. In fact, both sides seem to be hoping for a world where abortion doesn't exist. And given the choice between the two, I'd rather live in the pro-choice "ideal world without abortion" where it's been made irrelevant due to improvements in contraception and education as well as a more enlightened view of sexuality in general.

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Funny thing is, the proponents of neither side like abortion. In fact, both sides seem to be hoping for a world where abortion doesn't exist. And given the choice between the two, I'd rather live in the pro-choice "ideal world without abortion" where it's been made irrelevant due to improvements in contraception and education as well as a more enlightened view of sexuality in general.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Abortions should be safe, legal, and very very rare.

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I agree with Oldsmoboi, and wholeheartedly with Enzora. His upbringing was very similar to mine, and as I've alluded to in another, past thread, I look at the economics/public health side to the abortion debate: that banning it would decrease safety and accountability because abortion would go underground, and the decreased safety would lead to more ER visits due to botched abortions and/or women trying to force a miscarriage through coat hangers and/or throwing themselves down the stairs.

IMO, it is best to keep it legal, but regulated.

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and caprice, what do you mean by more gun regulations?

are you in favor of the nearly useless assault weapons ban (considering these types of guns are used in less than 2% of gun related crimes, i would consider it a useless banning of rifles because they look "scary") or just forcing people to register their guns?

stricter approval process

forcing registered guns.

Don't know how to do that but it should be done.

I'm against the assault ban cause autos are fun. Especially wrecking some melons with 30 round .308 black widow full auto carbines.

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Individual Liberty

Such as things like drug usage. Im no drug user on any standard but i dont think the government should give a flying f about drug usage. I mentioned this as an example for how the government is way to restrictive.

Policing the world.

Its a dirty job but no one better to do it. Basically if Hugo Chaves keeps opening his fat mouth or i hear another cocky peep out of Putin we should go over there and kick some ass. (all while rasing taxes and not violating individuals liberty or killing any babies)

those two are pretty much exclusive... if you raise taxes your economic freedom is burdened...less if it's a tax on goods, more if it's on income.

...the debt is related to that too.

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those two are pretty much exclusive... if you raise taxes your economic freedom is burdened...less if it's a tax on goods, more if it's on income.

...the debt is related to that too.

You understand that your taxes have already been raised, you just haven't gotten the bill yet...... and interest is growing on that bill every day.

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Incorrect.

Loose money policy, inflation, massive government spending increases, and massive government borrowing increases increased government revenue.

by 2004, our government was pulling in more money than it was under Clinton. That was before the bad inflation. course the chart im looking at also includes state and local governments... but still.

Besides, inflation has very little to do with anything if wages aren't rising proportionately within our own country, other than increased sales tax i suppose.

Plus you have to consider that our economy was rather hammered after 9/11.

But poor congressional oversight over the banking industry has definately left us in a poor spot going into the next presidency, i dont see how raising taxes is avoidable.

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by 2004, our government was pulling in more money than it was under Clinton. That was before the bad inflation. course the chart im looking at also includes state and local governments... but still.

Besides, inflation has very little to do with anything if wages aren't rising proportionately within our own country, other than increased sales tax i suppose.

Plus you have to consider that our economy was rather hammered after 9/11.

But poor congressional oversight over the banking industry has definately left us in a poor spot going into the next presidency, i dont see how raising taxes is avoidable.

I'm not referring to price inflation, I'm referring to inflation of the money supply. Greenspan is initially at fault for it, but the Treasury under Bush bares the brunt of the blame. In 2000 when Bush took office, there was roughly $4 trillion in currency in circulation. In 2008 there is $8 trillion. Add to that the "money" that has been created out of thin air from the loose credit market.

When people are buying things with money they don't have (credit cards, mortgages, HELOCS), it drives the economy. Business gets to book that as income, businesses pay their employees with that income, and while government gets to tax all of it.... but the money was created from thin air.

The problem is, we've reached Peak Credit and that's why everything is coming apart today.

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I'm not referring to price inflation, I'm referring to inflation of the money supply. Greenspan is initially at fault for it, but the Treasury under Bush bares the brunt of the blame. In 2000 when Bush took office, there was roughly $4 trillion in currency in circulation. In 2008 there is $8 trillion. Add to that the "money" that has been created out of thin air from the loose credit market.

When people are buying things with money they don't have (credit cards, mortgages, HELOCS), it drives the economy. Business gets to book that as income, businesses pay their employees with that income, and while government gets to tax all of it.... but the money was created from thin air.

The problem is, we've reached Peak Credit and that's why everything is coming apart today.

Perhaps you will want to go look at Bill Clintons strategy regarding the economy then. You might be plesantly suprised.

The only difference is that Bill inherited a strengthening economy from Bush Sr. as well as the framework for surpluses, whereas bush inherited a weakening economy that was badly hurt by 9/11 and compounded further by poor congressional oversight of the finances, which is, of course at least somewhat the fault of his administration and others.

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Perhaps you will want to go look at Bill Clintons strategy regarding the economy then. You might be plesantly suprised.

The only difference is that Bill inherited a strengthening economy from Bush Sr. as well as the framework for surpluses, whereas bush inherited a weakening economy that was badly hurt by 9/11 and compounded further by poor congressional oversight of the finances, which is, of course at least somewhat the fault of his administration and others.

Bank deregulation, more specifically the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act (loose money policy)

Low interest rate, asked for by Clinton, provided by Greenspan (loose money policy)

Raised taxes and the minimum wage (not sure which side you're arguing with on this one)

Where I'm going with this is, the financial changes made under Clinton and Bush 41 bubbled up, boiled over, and exploded in Bush 43's face. Bush wasn't the cause of the fire, but he's done nothing but add gasoline, with the help of Greenspan, Bernake, and Paulson.

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Bank deregulation, more specifically the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act (loose money policy)

Low interest rate, asked for by Clinton, provided by Greenspan (loose money policy)

Raised taxes and the minimum wage (not sure which side you're arguing with on this one)

Where I'm going with this is, the financial changes made under Clinton and Bush 41 bubbled up, boiled over, and exploded in Bush 43's face. Bush wasn't the cause of the fire, but he's done nothing but add gasoline, with the help of Greenspan, Bernake, and Paulson.

I agree that Bush 43 inherited a bad problem, and blame definitely lies within the fed at some levels. However i think many of these "stimulus packages" the constant band-aids that his administration used to keep prodding the economy along, has led to... well now. We have, essentially, a maimed long overdue economic cycle that he has managed to keep somewhat alive. Our economy needed to have gone into recession a few years ago. That would have cooled off the housing markets and the finance markets. We would likely be starting to emerge from it by now stronger than we were.

This just adds to my belief that government intervention in the economy is a bad thing (usually). It led to the 70s and 80s thanks to the framework laid down by JFK/LBJ, and now its leading to... well now.

::edit:: i come from a generation after the 70s and 80s, so all i know of it is heresay and what i have read about it. That will of course leave my views on the subject to seen differently than from someone who actually lived through it.

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Some government intervention is fine and necessary. Government intervention for the greed or in the case of stupidity is bad.

Mark my words, the only smart thing Clinton did in economic policy was raise taxes during an economic upswing. Everything else was to service the financial elite. Bush 43 has continued this "tradition".

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Well your against the Gun Control Act of 19 thirty something then.

and how on earth are you going to hold a .308 automatic still?

Gun control Act of 1968

Which is similar to the Nazi gun control act of 1938.

Well I will admit I am Hypocritical and i have several guns not registered because they are stolen government property... HK5 cough*

But I tell you guys a lot but not all... there is some stuff that allows me to own them and most of my autos are registered.

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Gun control Act of 1968

Which is similar to the Nazi gun control act of 1938.

Well I will admit I am Hypocritical and i have several guns not registered because they are stolen government property... HK5 cough*

But I tell you guys a lot but not all... there is some stuff that allows me to own them and most of my autos are registered.

D'oh! your right, but they did require registration of machine guns in the National Firearms Act of 1934.

my favorite "machine gun" law has to be DCs, which states that any weapon that CAN THEORETICALLY accept more than 10 rounds is a machine gun.

And its still legal to sell or buy fully automatic guns in most states. But since there is only a limited supply of them, they are very very costly to do so.

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I'm not referring to price inflation, I'm referring to inflation of the money supply. Greenspan is initially at fault for it, but the Treasury under Bush bares the brunt of the blame. In 2000 when Bush took office, there was roughly $4 trillion in currency in circulation. In 2008 there is $8 trillion. Add to that the "money" that has been created out of thin air from the loose credit market.

I finally managed to dig up a long term chart of money supplies.

The money supply nearly doubled under the Clinton era... so your argument is moot.

It would appear as though Bush era money supplies are just following the same line Clinton era ones were (just with lower taxes to accompany them).

Perhaps it is contribution to inflation (And im quite sure it is), but the fact remains that it also doubled under Clinton era which is/was largely though to be a strong economy era.

This seems to reflect that our current predicament was emplaced by Clinton, and handled incorrectly by the Fed under the Bush administration (although i believe the fed tends to act rather independently anyways).

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Without even having to look up the charts, I can extrapolate from your statement that currency supply was about $2 trillion dollars at the beginning of Clinton's term (seems low, but we'll work with it). Now, rather than looking at percentages, look at total dollar amounts. Currency increased by $2 trillion dollars under Clinton and $4 trillion under Bush, that's twice as much in the same amount of time. But that's just currency.

Starting under Clinton, but really took off under Bush, the credit market exploded. You couldn't let your dog run loose for fear it would come home with a mortgage. Mortgage companies were letting you borrow up to 125% of the value of your home and then make only interest payments. Astonishingly, there are auto lenders that would let you have a loan at 125% of the value of your car.... a depreciating asset!! All of this was "made up" money. It didn't exist, yet companies and individuals got to book it as income. The government taxed that income.

This is where the government's increased tax revenue came from..... NOT Bush's tax cuts.

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Without even having to look up the charts, I can extrapolate from your statement that currency supply was about $2 trillion dollars at the beginning of Clinton's term (seems low, but we'll work with it). Now, rather than looking at percentages, look at total dollar amounts. Currency increased by $2 trillion dollars under Clinton and $4 trillion under Bush, that's twice as much in the same amount of time. But that's just currency.

Starting under Clinton, but really took off under Bush, the credit market exploded. You couldn't let your dog run loose for fear it would come home with a mortgage. Mortgage companies were letting you borrow up to 125% of the value of your home and then make only interest payments. Astonishingly, there are auto lenders that would let you have a loan at 125% of the value of your car.... a depreciating asset!! All of this was "made up" money. It didn't exist, yet companies and individuals got to book it as income. The government taxed that income.

This is where the government's increased tax revenue came from..... NOT Bush's tax cuts.

Maybe all of that was to hide the fact that our entire economy has been outsourced.

"lipstick on a pig" :D

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Maybe all of that was to hide the fact that our entire economy has been outsourced.

"lipstick on a pig" :D

I have been saying this for years: we cannot thrive in nations THAT BUILD NOTHING. Wallstreet produces NOTHING. You cannot eat paper. I've heard the argument that a sound investment/banking community is necessary for a modern economy. No doubt that is true, but who defines what a 'sound investment/banking community' is?

I have little respect for accountants OR lawyers. Their professions are based on BS, plain and simple. The dance that the private sector/governments and the banking community perform for us is all smoke and mirrors.

There is something intrinsicely wrong with a country (or countries) whose top earners are all lawyers, advisors and paper pushers. The end is always the same: the little guy (taxpayers) pay and the fat cats retire to the Hamptons.

Bricks and mortar. Back to the basics, I say. Everything else is pie in the sky.

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I have been saying this for years: we cannot thrive in nations THAT BUILD NOTHING. Wallstreet produces NOTHING. You cannot eat paper. I've heard the argument that a sound investment/banking community is necessary for a modern economy. No doubt that is true, but who defines what a 'sound investment/banking community' is?

I have little respect for accountants OR lawyers. Their professions are based on BS, plain and simple. The dance that the private sector/governments and the banking community perform for us is all smoke and mirrors.

There is something intrinsicely wrong with a country (or countries) whose top earners are all lawyers, advisors and paper pushers. The end is always the same: the little guy (taxpayers) pay and the fat cats retire to the Hamptons.

Bricks and mortar. Back to the basics, I say. Everything else is pie in the sky.

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