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http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090405...ESS01/904050366

I say we close BG next.... Move the C7 to Wilmington.

Erich Merkle, a Grand Rapids, Mich.-based auto analyst, thinks Spring Hill could be jettisoned in favor of GM's newest plant in Lansing, Mich., which makes vehicles similar to the Traverse and has excess capacity to take over Spring Hill's current production.

The Delta Township plant in Lansing, which opened in 2006, makes three other crossover vehicles that are closely related to the Traverse — the GMC Acadia, Buick Enclave and Saturn Outlook.

So what's the deal?

Traverse axed? Traverse moved to Lansing?

If the Traverse is axed, wouldn't this make the case for GMC that much stronger. This is a segment where GM MUST have a volume entry. The Outlook is gone, and the Traverse seems to be on shakey ground.

That's also how U.S. Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., sees things. Last week, Corker said he's concerned that Spring Hill could lose out if the Obama administration chooses which plants to close based on how a state voted in last fall's presidential election. Tennessee went "red," with a majority of voters casting ballots for the Republican candidate, U.S. Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

That's funny... I didn't think Obama was in the business of running car companies. But apparently they can decide what plants to close? Remember; this is the government "For The People" err... "For The People That Voted For Us"

"It would be a shame for GM not to be able to meet consumer demand because they closed one of the plants. If they walk away from that plant, that would be a very strategic error," Cole said, "but in politics anything is possible."

But, we all know how good the government is at doing OR predicting anything... And anything bigger than a Delta car is... THE DEVIL!

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I would read into this as the Outlook going away and perhaps GMC going away that they'd want to consolidate the Enclave, Escalade and Traverse to one factory.

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This is only logical. Since Saturn may be sold off or spun off, the Spring Hill plant would probably go with it, and that would boost what GM could get for such a sale. It's more advantageous to sell plants than to shut them down.

And this talk about punishing states that went red...absolutely assinine. Anyone who buys into it is a partisan hack and/or conspiracy theorist.

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Well, since they are making the 3 other Lambdas in Lansing, it only makes sense to build the Traverse there also. Besides, Michigan needs the jobs more than TN.

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Well, since they are making the 3 other Lambdas in Lansing, it only makes sense to build the Traverse there also. Besides, Michigan needs the jobs more than TN.

Very true.

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Closing either plant would be short-sighted and stupid.

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GM doesn't care which state "needs" jobs. There must be a clear profit motive for doing this, probably because of falling Lambda volume and the possible sale of Saturn as was mentioned above. That senator can go screw himself.

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This is only logical. Since Saturn may be sold off or spun off, the Spring Hill plant would probably go with it, and that would boost what GM could get for such a sale. It's more advantageous to sell plants than to shut them down.

Saturn has no product to build at Spring Hill - all designs belong to GM, and are unlikely to be sold along with Saturn. A spun-off Saturn would have no capital to design a car to build at Spring Hill. Spring Hill has absolutely nothing to do with Saturn anymore, so there's no reason to think it would "probably" go with it. It's just a factory. If a potential Saturn buyer wants US factory space, GM could just as easily sell them any other plant that they can clear production out of.

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Close Springhill, and move that vehicle to Lansing. GM should have done this from the beginning anyway. Close Bowling Green and move the Corvette to Wilmington along with Kappas ...

Delaware is a Blue state and the Vice President is from Delaware, my money is on Wilmington now ...

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Delaware is a Blue state and the Vice President is from Delaware, my money is on Wilmington now ...

Perpetuating this farce serves no purpose other than to stir up $h! on the boards.

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Saturn has no product to build at Spring Hill - all designs belong to GM, and are unlikely to be sold along with Saturn. A spun-off Saturn would have no capital to design a car to build at Spring Hill. Spring Hill has absolutely nothing to do with Saturn anymore, so there's no reason to think it would "probably" go with it. It's just a factory. If a potential Saturn buyer wants US factory space, GM could just as easily sell them any other plant that they can clear production out of.

Correct, but think about it for a second: if GM could sell off Saturn, and package it with a factory or two, whoever buys it would pay more since there are tangible assets in addition to the rights to the brand. Saturn IS GM, for now at least. But if GM moved the Traverse tooling to Lansing, there would at least be a factory to be sold off that whatever new entity could use for production, and GM would get more money for the sale. GM would also have one less factory to worry about.

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Perpetuating this farce serves no purpose other than to stir up $h! on the boards.

It's not a farce. Once you have successfully swirled your California wine you will see it happen with your own eyes ... :P

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GM should move auto production closer to home in Michigan. Why be in a state that didnt support the bailout? Screw them.

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>>"Vice President is from Delaware"<<

But all we heard during the campaign was that he's a "Scranton boy"... :scratchchin:

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>>"Vice President is from Delaware"<<

But all we heard during the campaign was that he's a "Scranton boy"... :scratchchin:

Scranton, Delaware..same diff...same part of the country.

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>>"Vice President is from Delaware"<<

But all we heard during the campaign was that he's a "Scranton boy"... :scratchchin:

Of course you did, the Dems wanted those PA electoral votes, but his house is less than a mile from mine, in Delaware ...

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And this talk about punishing states that went red...absolutely assinine. Anyone who buys into it is a partisan hack and/or conspiracy theorist.

So quick to pass judgement... Oh wait, you're from Cali. I forgot, that's what you do.

Anyway... I'm merely conveying what the article said. I couldn't care less about who's trying to screw who in Washington since it doesn't affect my life in any perceivable way.

Closing either plant would be short-sighted and stupid.

:yes:

I agree... And the TN plant is one of the BEST plants they have. Then again, so was Oshawa.

Perpetuating this farce serves no purpose other than to stir up &#036;h&#33; on the boards.

This has been discussed before... The fact that I posted the article does nothing but confirm that politics ARE at play. (How much? Who knows)

GM should move auto production closer to home in Michigan. Why be in a state that didnt support the bailout? Screw them.

I agree and disagree... I get the sentamentalism, but cheaper labor = south. Not to mention, GM might win more support down here if it increases it's presence. (i.e. shows that southern states are important)

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There you go again, treating someone like a second class citizen just because of where he lives.

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Correct, but think about it for a second: if GM could sell off Saturn, and package it with a factory or two, whoever buys it would pay more since there are tangible assets in addition to the rights to the brand. Saturn IS GM, for now at least. But if GM moved the Traverse tooling to Lansing, there would at least be a factory to be sold off that whatever new entity could use for production, and GM would get more money for the sale. GM would also have one less factory to worry about.

Yup - if I were GM, I would certainly be having a few optional "packages" available, that might include offering the sale of a factory or two like you state. Buyers may or may not be interested. I'm only saying that since Spring Hill no longer has real ties to Saturn, the consideration of Spring Hill for sale along with Saturn is no different than the consideration of any other GM factory that GM could clear out & make ready for sale.

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Yup - if I were GM, I would certainly be having a few optional "packages" available, that might include offering the sale of a factory or two like you state. Buyers may or may not be interested. I'm only saying that since Spring Hill no longer has real ties to Saturn, the consideration of Spring Hill for sale along with Saturn is no different than the consideration of any other GM factory that GM could clear out & make ready for sale.

OK, I get what you're saying. Spring Hill would be logical, though, since Traverse could be moved to Lansing fairly easily.

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Next person to use "second class citizen" is going to get gerbiled.

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Why be in a state that didnt support the bailout? Screw them.

Agree 100%

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So quick to pass judgement... Oh wait, you're from Cali. I forgot, that's what you do.

<snip>

This has been discussed before... The fact that I posted the article does nothing but confirm that politics ARE at play. (How much? Who knows)

Yes, and EVERYTHING posted by the media is unbiased, agenda-free, and 100% factual. Right :rolleyes:

I love how much you like to play the victim when it comes to regional stereotypes, though I have never once played that card against you. Yet once again, you do that to me. Grow up--you can't have it both ways. Maybe if you travelled to different parts of the country you would see first-hand how ridiculous many of your regional stereotypes are.

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Agree 100%

So do I, plus it's not just GM that would shut down, it's the suppliers and all the other businesses that live off the plant and its workers, the mom and pop businesses etc. The shut down of GM plants in states that did not support the bailout would have a crippling effect on those states economy and that's exactly why I would do it ...

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Meh, do you really expect a Senator not to try and protect something in their district? I mean really, that's what politicians of all walks of life do. You don't get re-elected if you just say, "oh yeah we don't need those 1000 jobs."

If GM was threatening to close down NUMMI I'm sure ole Boxer or Feinstein or whoevers district it is in would raise some ruckus over it.

As for the whole not favoring the bailout thing, don't let political bickering distort your objective view of what is best for GM. Labor is cheapest in the South, it does not really make sense to move manufacturing to an area with higher labor costs and no gain in logistics or quality.

Given the terrible state of the economy in Michigan, i would think labor would be cheap up there too.

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