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Inside the 2010 Camaro SS

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After all the hype and anticipation the last 10 years or so have brought upon the automotive world, the new Camaro has finally been delivered to dealerships across the country. I remember seeing the early renderings and thought for sure that this was going to be the best car of the 21st century under $40K.

When I saw the movie Transformers in the theater, and Bumblebee morphed into the new Camaro, I was blown away. I just knew it was the car to have. I was so excited to see them I couldn't stand it. But when I started seeing pictures of the actual interior, I was less than excited. The overgrown gauges in the center console near the shifter were the first things that caught my eye, but not in a good way. I couldn't believe how much they distracted from the dash and the rest of the interior. I mean, what were they thinking?

It looks like someone just grabbed some plastic Lego gauges and started stacking them.Now, don't get me wrong, the 5th gen Camaro is a beast, and from the exterior it really looks menacing going down the road, but I am really disappointed with how the interior came out. All the plastic and pleather should really be replaced with more modern, sophisticated versions. After waiting that long for a car to be produced, I really felt disappointed and left expecting more.

Link: http://www.chevroletreports.com/blog/10357...-2010-camaro-ss

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I've never really understood the gripes about the Camaro interior. I've found it to be perfectly sufficient for the vehicle, and if you're a stickler for plastic softness, you're likely not a Camaro customer anyways.

The gauges are too big and distract from the interior?! Gee whiz buddy, I'd be hoping you're looking at them, and not ogling the hot 'D-Pad' buttons for the climate control system when on the road. :rolleyes:

http://image.motortrend.com/f/new-cars/cam...ro-interior.jpg

I'm not entirely sure where Lego blocks come into play here...

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I wish I could find a picture, but the Camro interior is just a redesgin of the 1970s series Corvette Stingray interiors. My Brother has a 1976 Vette and I hate the layout of the gauges over the shifter. But in 1976 the inside of the Corvette felt like a jet fighter, and I dare anyone to get inside those 70's Vettes and I think today they still get that feeling. The Camro unforutantely, just looks cheap.

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I don't care much for the Camaro's interior either. Bumper car steering wheel, weird center stack, odd shaped shifter ball, stupid and worthless console guages.

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I think the new Camaro has a unique (thankfully, it is not a parts-bin interior), racy interior. I love the console gauges, a connection to the past we've all idealized.

WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT? Chevrolet has given you all a gift, and you act like spoiled children. You can't have the Camaro each of you individually dreamed about... boo hoo hoo, the designers didn't climb inside YOUR head and spit out your dream. But they did a fantastic job bringing to production a beautiful, fast car for a reasonable amount of money.

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Amazing how GM fans of all people piss and moan when GM doesn't give you guys enough performance cars /RWD/V8/manual/coupe/etc. and then piss and moan some more when they give you a really good one.

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After spending some time with the real thing on the road the dash is not as bad as it first seem to me when I first saw it. The materials are in line with most cars in this class and for Chevy.

The only real gripe is the steerig wheel. I know they tried to copy the old Rally wheel but it just did not work. I would have felt better with the Parts Bin Vette wheel. GM could address this one easy in the future. Just adding the CTS V Suede p[tion wheel whould be easy for the SS or Z if they ever get the green light. Make it standard with the HUD option.

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I'm with 'blu...what do you guys want, seriously????

Like I've said before, enjoy the Camaro now, it is the last of it's breed.

This is the best Camaro interior to date and you guys want to sit on the internet and bash it? Methinks your just upset that you don't have 35K to go buy an actual Camaro SS.

Chris

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WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT? Chevrolet has given you all a gift, and you act like spoiled children.

Actually, what I wanted was a smaller, lighter package. One where I feel connected to a car which is an absolute joy to drive. A more mechanically direct car with great steering feedback and a nimble chassis. A less bizzare interior would also have been appreciated.

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I'm with 'blu...what do you guys want, seriously????

Like I've said before, enjoy the Camaro now, it is the last of it's breed.

This is the best Camaro interior to date and you guys want to sit on the internet and bash it? Methinks your just upset that you don't have 35K to go buy an actual Camaro SS.

Chris

If you're referring to me, the price is not even a factor. In fact, I'd be willing to pay MORE if the car met my expectations. Don't get me wrong, I think the Camaro is a good car, and the Camaro Team did a GREAT job, considering what they had to start with. But it just doesn't give me goosebumps or get my heart racing when I drive it.

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After spending some time with the real thing on the road the dash is not as bad as it first seem to me when I first saw it. The materials are in line with most cars in this class and for Chevy.

The only real gripe is the steerig wheel. I know they tried to copy the old Rally wheel but it just did not work. I would have felt better with the Parts Bin Vette wheel. GM could address this one easy in the future. Just adding the CTS V Suede p[tion wheel whould be easy for the SS or Z if they ever get the green light. Make it standard with the HUD option.

I can agree with that. The CTS-V's steering wheel, is pretty darned nice, especially with the optional suede. But beyond that, the beautiful steering wheel controls some really great steering feel. Two things which the Camaro lacks.

The CTS-V's interior in general is pretty awesome though.

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Actually, what I wanted was a smaller, lighter package. One where I feel connected to a car which is an absolute joy to drive. A more mechanically direct car with great steering feedback and a nimble chassis. A less bizzare interior would also have been appreciated.

Basically, everything the Camaro has never been.

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Basically, everything the Camaro has never been.

How do you figure that?

The whole formula of the Camaro and the original pony cars was a small nimble package.

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Actually, what I wanted was a smaller, lighter package. One where I feel connected to a car which is an absolute joy to drive. A more mechanically direct car with great steering feedback and a nimble chassis. A less bizzare interior would also have been appreciated.

It seems to me that you have described the Corvette here.

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It seems to me that you have described the Corvette here.

Well, you can say I've described the Corvette, the 3-series, ...... or even (gasp) the Mustang. Although I don't think the current Mustang is small, but it is quite abit more nimble than the Camaro.

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Well, you can say I've described the Corvette, the 3-series, ...... or even (gasp) the Mustang. Although I don't think the current Mustang is small, but it is quite abit more nimble than the Camaro.

I can understand what you are saying. Camaro has the power advantage over the Mustang for a while to give better performance advantage over the Ford. With the updated Ford powertrain, Camaro may be found wanting. That 350-400 lb difference between the Camaro and the Mustang will always be a deficit as horsepowers can always go up by adding more, but the weight in the chasis/body cannot. The heavy zeta was not an ideal base for Camaro, but given the constraints, GM engineers have done a fabulous job for the vehicle's dynamics.

I still feel Camaro is a strong design, and a very well done and thoughtout car for GM. Interior is not a solid point and level of quality can improve. I think that the interior should have been more modern. But I can live with the car as a boulevard cruiser with occassional times in the curvy mountains rather than a race junky.

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I can understand what you are saying. Camaro has the power advantage over the Mustang for a while to give better performance advantage over the Ford. With the updated Ford powertrain, Camaro may be found wanting. That 350-400 lb difference between the Camaro and the Mustang will always be a deficit as horsepowers can always go up by adding more, but the weight in the chasis/body cannot. The heavy zeta was not an ideal base for Camaro, but given the constraints, GM engineers have done a fabulous job for the vehicle's dynamics.

I still feel Camaro is a strong design, and a very well done and thoughtout car for GM. Interior is not a solid point and level of quality can improve. I think that the interior should have been more modern. But I can live with the car as a boulevard cruiser with occassional times in the curvy mountains rather than a race junky.

Agreed. The car does in fact have a strong design, it's biggest strength, I believe. I also agree that Zeta was far from an ideal starting point for the Camaro. But keeping in mind the pretty dysfunctional position GM has been in, I guess that they couldn't do any better. That's why my hat's off to the Camaro Team - considering their constraints what they had to work with. It's analogous to trying to create a Camaro off of the old B-Body Caprice.

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How do you figure that?

The whole formula of the Camaro and the original pony cars was a small nimble package.

The original Camaro was 186" in length, just a mere 4 inches shorter than today's Camaro. Weight was 3,500lbs for 1969 Z28 with 290hp. That's just 200lbs less than a 300hp, 3780lb., 2010 Camaro LS. Now, I'll fully admit to never have driven either the 1969 nor 2010, but knowing what I know about the Zeta platform, I'm gonna bet that modern technology more than makes up for the 200lb weight gain and that the 2010 can easily dance with the 1969.

A 1976 Camaro Z28 was 195" in length, 5 inches longer than a 2010. It weighed about 3680lbs and put out a fire breathing 165hp from it's 350 (that is actually up 10hp from the '75 model). Even a V6 2010 Camaro being 100lbs heavier would easily lay a 1976 Camaro to waste.

By the early '90s weight was back down to a more respectable 3200 for the Z28, but power was still a Miata like 170hp from a 5 liter V8. The 1990 Camaro was still 2 inches longer than a 2010.

In 2000, the weight had creeped back up over 3500lbs, but at least now you could get the venerable LT-1 to cope with the extra mass. Length was 3.5 inches longer than the 2010 Camaro.

One important thing to note is that even though the 2010 is the second shortest of all of the Camaro body styles, it easily has the longest wheel base which greatly improves handling.

Not being a Camaro fan, I just don't see, looking at these numbers, how the new Camaro is that far "out of line" from the original.

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I'm with 'blu...what do you guys want, seriously????

Like I've said before, enjoy the Camaro now, it is the last of it's breed.

This is the best Camaro interior to date and you guys want to sit on the internet and bash it? Methinks your just upset that you don't have 35K to go buy an actual Camaro SS.

Chris

Right on this will be last generation Camaro I expect, ever. Unless a miracle happens. After 2015 model year this one is gone. No the interior isn't perfect but I'll take a real car, with a real motor over having soft dash plastic anyday!

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Not to get off the topic - but does anyone else think that GM needs a car to take on 370Z with a venerable powertrain of LNF 2.0 Turbo DI with 325hp +/-, 6-speed transmissions and price that is not touching $50k? The weight should not exceed 3,000 lbs and should be on par with Porsche Cayman when it comes to handling. The base price of this car could start at $25k, with price jumping on to $35k for a fully loaded convertible. That will suffice many a race junkies since Solstice has now been a dearly departed.

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The original Camaro was 186" in length, just a mere 4 inches shorter than today's Camaro. Weight was 3,500lbs for 1969 Z28 with 290hp. That's just 200lbs less than a 300hp, 3780lb., 2010 Camaro LS. Now, I'll fully admit to never have driven either the 1969 nor 2010, but knowing what I know about the Zeta platform, I'm gonna bet that modern technology more than makes up for the 200lb weight gain and that the 2010 can easily dance with the 1969.

A 1976 Camaro Z28 was 195" in length, 5 inches longer than a 2010. It weighed about 3680lbs and put out a fire breathing 165hp from it's 350 (that is actually up 10hp from the '75 model). Even a V6 2010 Camaro being 100lbs heavier would easily lay a 1976 Camaro to waste.

By the early '90s weight was back down to a more respectable 3200 for the Z28, but power was still a Miata like 170hp from a 5 liter V8. The 1990 Camaro was still 2 inches longer than a 2010.

In 2000, the weight had creeped back up over 3500lbs, but at least now you could get the venerable LT-1 to cope with the extra mass. Length was 3.5 inches longer than the 2010 Camaro.

One important thing to note is that even though the 2010 is the second shortest of all of the Camaro body styles, it easily has the longest wheel base which greatly improves handling.

Not being a Camaro fan, I just don't see, looking at these numbers, how the new Camaro is that far "out of line" from the original.

But look at the size of the average car in 1967 or 1970 or 1982 and compare a contemporary Camaro to that, and you'll see just how relatively compact it traditionally was.

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Right on this will be last generation Camaro I expect, ever. Unless a miracle happens. After 2015 model year this one is gone. No the interior isn't perfect but I'll take a real car, with a real motor over having soft dash plastic anyday!

The 6th gen is already in the works......

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But look at the size of the average car in 1967 or 1970 or 1982 and compare a contemporary Camaro to that, and you'll see just how relatively compact it traditionally was.

If the Camaro stayed the same size relative to the average sedan on the road, you'd be looking at "Camaro - Imported by SMART".

I think the Camaro is best if it remains true to itself instead of worrying about how big the current Deville is.

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I appreciate the effort that went into making it appear and function in the classic sense. When I'm looking at the fuel gauge or speedometer, down toward the stereo controls where the sharp downturn of the dash completely separates from the centre console, I get the feeling that I literally am in an updated 70's Camaro. That's the goal here, going over the modern approach and developing a classic feel for the driver. Anyone can design a 'retroesque' interior, but to design one that appears to function in that same style to give the driver a classic impression is a huge goal to attain.

Though I speak highly of the final design, about the only thing I consider a bit 'aftermarketish' in appearance is the placement of the centre information gauges. I mean, it's not as if just because GM went to such great lengths to give its customers a new Camaro there wouldn't be some things that would be considered a little 'off'. The 'spoiled children' comment makes it seem as though the car exists and must be placed on a pedestal, regardless of anything. That kind of thinking is reserved for import owners on kool-aid as thick as Jell-o, IMHO.

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Amazing how GM fans of all people piss and moan when GM doesn't give you guys enough performance cars /RWD/V8/manual/coupe/etc. and then piss and moan some more when they give you a really good one.

Just because someone like's RWD/V8/manual/coupes, doesn't mean they like ugly retro interiors. That was the excuse when GM's truck had crappy interiors. It's a truck, those buyers don't care. Well guess what, they do. Look at truck interiors now. It doesn't need to have the best quality materials at that price point, but it does actually have to look decent. Why couldn't GM match the GTO/G8 interior with the Camaro exterior?

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