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How big should the next Corvette be?


dwightlooi

  

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  1. 1. How big and how heavy should the next Corvette be?

    • Like the current Corvette (C6) & 3200 lbs
    • A little smaller than the current Corvette (C6), but mainly in overhangs & 3000 lbs
    • Like a Pontiac Solstice & 2800 lbs
    • Like a Lotus Elise & 2600 lbs
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All else being constant, a vehicle's size translates into weight and unwieldiness. But it's size also translate to interior roominess stowage space. How big, or how small do you wish the next Corvette to be?

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Perhaps I am answering this poll with a contrarian view, but I think perhaps the car is the right size as it is. I think the unwieldiness is perceptual and can be erased by making it appear smaller with styling tricks and improving the sight lines for the driver.

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I think it's sized about right, hell it's not even heavy, it just needs a much better interior and suspension that's more compliant on the road while still being razor sharp on the track. That's what makes a 911 so good. It works both on and off the track.

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I do not have a problem in the size but I would love to see them hit the weight at 2900-3000 pounds.

Less weight not only improved MPG and acceleration but it also improves Performance in many areas like stopping and handing that bigger engines can never improve. The leap in performace all around even with the present engine would be very good on the track and back roads. It would only make a great car better.

With their work into the area of Carbon Fiber I expect we could see a 3000 pound car very easy in the future. The price on Carbon will come down with the increased use in many of the new cars. Other materials will also decrease weight too. SMC body panels are not light no matter what people think.

I would like to see them make the car sleeker so even if it does not get smaller it would look smaller. The Vettes shape makes it look bigger than it is. The tail make the car look very larges with such a large flat area.

The key is to make this a car that makes going fast feel slow. and less mass is the best way to make it happen.

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physically the current car is not large or heavy, but it does look it. As blu suggested, perhaps a change in the styling approach would be helpful to make the vehicle look more mean and scrappy.

IMO, I'd like to see them shoot for base weight of 3000-3100 pounds. I would decrease width an inch or two. I would reduce legth a tish. I would actually raise the height perhaps an inch or even two. I would try to lessen the overhangs and visually lighten the look of anything outside the wheelbase and width of the car.

I would try tricks with the proportions like bringing the windshield forward and lessening the length of the hook and rear deck. I would try to monoform the car instead of having the huge hood and bulbous rear.

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Wow- the car is "OK", but shave a half inch off here and there, reshuffle the proportions toward homogenization, the rear is too flat yet too 'bulbous' at the same time, raise the car, raise the roof, move the greenhouse, shorten the painfully short overhangs.... and THERE'S a Corvette that I can LOVE !! :rolleyes:

Buy/admire another car- don't change one you don't into another car.

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As far as the current Corvette goes, I really like the styling and proportions overall...it's probably my favorite stylistically since the '79. It looks so good in that dark red (same/similar color I've seen on the Camaro and CTS).

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I like where the car has been heading with the latest iterations (sharper creases and lines, more crisp details), and I'd like to see that trend continue. I guess it could stand to be slightly narrower, and a bit lighter, but the taut design is what I want to see most.

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Size, weight, gas mileage are fine, those aren't even areas of concern. Width I think is an issue, because the car not only is wide, but it looks really wide. That could turn away some buyers because really wide, low cars can be more difficult to drive.

Secondly, interior, interior, interior. The interior needs tremendous improvement, the current car's interior belongs in a $15,000 car, not a $50,000 car.

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Size, weight, gas mileage are fine, those aren't even areas of concern. Width I think is an issue, because the car not only is wide, but it looks really wide. That could turn away some buyers because really wide, low cars can be more difficult to drive.

Secondly, interior, interior, interior. The interior needs tremendous improvement, the current car's interior belongs in a $15,000 car, not a $50,000 car.

Honestly, I don't think the Corvette needs a luxurious interior -- it is not strictly speaking a luxury car. It needs to look high quality, but it doesn't have to be fancy. Really, it doesn't have to have electronic climate control, it doesn't need dual zone HVAC, it doesn't need napa leather upholstery. Keep it simple, keep it basic, keep it functional. But make sure there are no hard, shinny plastic, make sure that what looks like metal is metal and what looks like leather is leather and what looks like wood is wood and make sure the switch gear clicks with smooth, well dampened and positive detents.

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Honestly, I don't think the Corvette needs a luxurious interior -- it is not strictly speaking a luxury car. It needs to look high quality, but it doesn't have to be fancy. Really, it doesn't have to have electronic climate control, it doesn't need dual zone HVAC, it doesn't need napa leather upholstery. Keep it simple, keep it basic, keep it functional. But make sure there are no hard, shinny plastic, make sure that what looks like metal is metal and what looks like leather is leather and what looks like wood is wood and make sure the switch gear clicks with smooth, well dampened and positive detents.

I don't think it has to be luxurious either, but it has to be well built. The current car is cheaply made, the dash is all plastic, the center console is more gray plastic, everything you touch in that interior just feels cheap. Simple and basic was the Solstice, that Corvette has to go above that, and I think it has to be better equipped than a Camaro. I think of a car like the VW Passat, which isn't super luxurious, but it doesn't feel cheap, the car interior feels tightly assembled and well put together. Even the XLR, had some luxurious elements, but the car didn't feel well put together.

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Well, here's a question that perhaps should guide the answer to the original question: Who is the customer? Is this car being mainly targeted at performance enthusiasts? Baby boomers wanting a penis extender? Those with both a mullet and a fat wallet? Or do you aim at each of the above with different trim packages?

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good question.

aging boomers may not care anymore soon. anyone younger may either be fixated on $h! like the Nissan, or be altogether anti domestic. the really young kids probably would rather go fast and furious in a mini or evo.

it begs the question, does the corvette need to move away from being a brute no holds barred performance car and maybe move back in a direction of something like the boxster or 911, or mercedes roadster? I love the Evora but I do not think the Corvette should be that small or sparse.

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^ The 'young kids into nissan' are also not into Porsche- which means porsche needs to change up the 911, too.

I just don't get the mindset that 'the car doesn't appeal to everyone, so it needs to be remade'. It has not become a respected icon by being fickle on it's own mission.

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I just don't get the mindset that 'the car doesn't appeal to everyone, so it needs to be remade'. It has not become a respected icon by being fickle on it's own mission.

The mindset (at GM) is most likely "how do we keep up or increase our decent sales levels of the vette, as well as keep our good profit margins?" While the ideal of the car is a performance car, fact is the average age of buyers is pretty high, and a solid percentage of the buyers don't push their cars hard at all, but they instead love to bask in the image of the car. At the same time, they may very well find a car built for all-out performance harsh and unpleasant to cruise around & look good in.

Personally, I think trim level management can take care of making the car appeal to those who already are interested in the car, as well as potentially reach new buyers. Design the platform to be very much performance oriented, but then offer a trim with a more forgiving suspension and more lux goodies. Other trim levels can offer a blend of performance & lux, or go all-out on performance at different levels.

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good question.

aging boomers may not care anymore soon. anyone younger may either be fixated on $h! like the Nissan, or be altogether anti domestic. the really young kids probably would rather go fast and furious in a mini or evo.

it begs the question, does the corvette need to move away from being a brute no holds barred performance car and maybe move back in a direction of something like the boxster or 911, or mercedes roadster? I love the Evora but I do not think the Corvette should be that small or sparse.

Personally, I think it'll be the wrong mission for a Vette. A Vette needs to be a top notch performance car to start with, everything else is icing on the cake. As far as the young dreaming of the GTR, well, if the Vette outperforms the GTR (which it currently doesn't) and has a reputation of being well built, in time they'll be dream of a Vette instead. And, guess what, until they can afford one that dream translates into sales of lesser Chevys.

If Chevrolet wants a Boxster, SLK or some other cool looking, well handling and modestly performing vehicle. They can build one off an improved Kappa. Call it a Chevrolet "Speed" or something, and give it scissor doors. The Kappa is decent enough, they just need to get rid of the Inca Temple in the trunk.

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I don't think it has to be luxurious either, but it has to be well built. The current car is cheaply made, the dash is all plastic, the center console is more gray plastic, everything you touch in that interior just feels cheap. Simple and basic was the Solstice, that Corvette has to go above that, and I think it has to be better equipped than a Camaro. I think of a car like the VW Passat, which isn't super luxurious, but it doesn't feel cheap, the car interior feels tightly assembled and well put together. Even the XLR, had some luxurious elements, but the car didn't feel well put together.

Look inside a 2010 Corvette. The gray plastic is gone. The center stack has piano black trim, with a bit of chrome and real stitching around the perimeter. The door trims are nicer as well.

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Look inside a 2010 Corvette. The gray plastic is gone. The center stack has piano black trim, with a bit of chrome and real stitching around the perimeter. The door trims are nicer as well.

To put it simply, I think they should shoot for an interior done to the Buick Lacrosse's standard, minus the much of the amenities and extraneous switch gear. The same thing goes for the seat... it should be comfortable, supportive and upholstered in superior quality materials (be it leather or fabric), but I am OK if it only has a 2-way manually operated reach and recline adjustments.

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Buick LaCrosse has cheap plastic and crappy looking wood. Not sure I would use that as any kind of benchmark.

The design is nice, but it still is not done well enough.

I don't think the Vette will have any wood. So it'll probably be all plastic or plastic with a bit of metal trim here and there. As I said, I didn't want it to have a $10,000 interior treatment. Buick's is good enough. The current Vette's is worse than the Koreans.

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Wow- the car is "OK", but shave a half inch off here and there, reshuffle the proportions toward homogenization, the rear is too flat yet too 'bulbous' at the same time, raise the car, raise the roof, move the greenhouse, shorten the painfully short overhangs.... and THERE'S a Corvette that I can LOVE !! :rolleyes:

Buy/admire another car- don't change one you don't into another car.

Do that enough and you've turned the Corvette into a Traverse.

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The Vette interior needs to meet The low to medium Porcshe standards. They need appealing to look at, Good feel and refrain from using anything but the best GM switch gear.

It is ok to make the Vette with a better than Chevy interior as it not your normal Chevy. Give it an interior fitting of it's price class.

Lets face it I have the same steering wheel in my HHR SS as the ZR-1. COuld they not opt for a Momo or other quality wheel. They are not that expensive and people in cars over $50K expect better. In the big picture the price would increase but buy only a small amount for a car like this.

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