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Souped-up Pontiac G6 fails the luxury test

By Paul & Anita Lienert

We've been eagerly anticipating a test drive in the 2006 Pontiac G6 GTP, the performance-oriented edition of the slinky mid-size coupe.

In some respects, we weren't disappointed. But the apparent lack of attention to detail, especially in the cabin, was a major letdown.

We tested a well-equipped GTP with nearly $4,000 worth of options and a bottom line of $27,250.

SHE: What a stylish exterior! And that electric blue metallic paint is really eye-catching. But what a comedown to step inside the G6 and look around that flat and uninspired cabin, with the cheap materials, trim pieces that didn't fit together and other jarring features. It's like there was a total disconnection between the interior and the exterior for the Pontiac designers and engineers . And let me tell you that coupe buyers today are fussy. They expect an awful lot, especially if they're paying more than $25,000. Unfortunately, the GTP isn't going to live up to their desires or expectations.

HE: I agree with you about that gorgeous shape and color, but I have a slightly different take on the GTP, purely from a mechanical perspective. The G6 shares its basic underpinnings with the Saab 9-3 and several other General Motors mid-size cars. It's a pretty sturdy, well-damped chassis that delivers a smooth and comfortable ride. The GTP gets the high-output 3.9-liter V-6, which is a sweet engine that makes 240 horsepower. Pontiac coupled it with the new six-speed manual gearbox. The shift action is a little stiff, but the throws are precise, and the engine responds beautifully to the slightest throttle input. The four-wheel disc brakes are also above par, but I'm not as fond of the steering, which feels too heavy for a car with such sporting pretensions. It isn't nearly as agile as such competitors as the Scion tC or the Hyundai Tiburon which, incidentally, are priced thousands of dollars below the GTP.

SHE: My eyes started to glaze over as soon as I heard the word "mechanical." So let's go back to the cabin, which is where potential owners will spend most of their time. It seems like everywhere you look, Pontiac cut corners. There are major design flaws, too. The steering wheel feels so ungainly -- too thick to grip comfortably and too large in diameter. The center armrest is positioned too far back for shorter drivers to reach. The seat belts are poorly designed and difficult to reach and use. And with that tiny backlight and thick pillars everywhere you look, visibility is terrible.

HE: I should add a few gripes of my own. The doors are way too long and heavy for comfort. The audio system is overly complicated, even for a techhead and audiophile like myself. And I know what you mean about corner-cutting. Pontiac neglected to put a power recline adjustment on the driver's seat, and the manual control makes it difficult to precisely position the seat back for comfort. And there are no power controls of any sort on the front passenger seat. The rear compartment is just plain primitive-looking, with too little head and leg room for most adults of even average size. And, finally, most of the dials, switches, buttons, gauges and displays all look like they belong on an economy car, not a $27,000 performance model. Yikes! What the heck was Pontiac thinking?

SHE: I can't believe we actually agree on something. But I don't want to just complain. Considering the performance, and it was pretty amazing, the GTP gets decent fuel economy -- 18 mpg in the city and 26 mpg on the highway. That's a sweet exhaust note, too. I noticed that antilock brakes, traction control and stability control are all standard on the GTP. What I can't understand is why you have to pay extra for really basic safety equipment, like side air bags and side curtains.

HE: Pontiac did do something right inside. They moved the ignition key from the steering column to the dashboard. You can order such amenities as adjustable pedals and remote start. But I was surprised that an uplevel car like our test vehicle did not include climate controls with dual settings for driver and passenger. GM, of course, installed OnStar and XM satellite radio as options, but I would rather have spent that money on a navigation system.

SHE: You can't have everything, dear. But for $27,000, I'd like to see a lot more thought and effort go into the G6 cabin -- that is, if Pontiac wants to keep up with the competition.

2006 Pontiac G6 GTP Coupe

Type: Front-engine, front-wheel drive, four-passenger coupe.

Price: Base, $23,490 (inc. $625 destination charge); as tested, $27,250.

Engine: 3.9-liter V-6; 240-hp; 240 lb-ft torque.

EPA fuel economy: 18 mpg city/26 mpg highway.

Where built: Orion Township

12-month insurance cost, according to AAA Michigan*: $1,394 .(Estimate. Rates may be higher or lower, depending on coverage and driving record.)

Anita

Rating: 3

Likes: Stylish exterior. ABS, traction control and stability control standard on GTP. Nice exhaust note. Decent fuel economy.

Dislikes: Doesn't live up to desires of coupe buyers. Too much corner-cutting inside. Atrocious interior, flat and uninspired, with cheap materials. Lousy visibility, with small backlight and thick pillars. Steering wheel feels ungainly -- too big, too thick. Armrest too far back for shorter drivers to reach. Side air bags and side curtains cost extra. Interior trim pieces don't fit well. Poorly designed seat belts.

Paul

Rating: 2

Likes: Slinky shape is quite sexy. Lively 3.9L V-6, with good acceleration. Nice six-speed manual gearbox, with precise shifter. Sturdy, compliant suspension provides good control, comfortable ride. Ignition key moved from steering column to dash.

Dislikes: At $27,000-plus, our test car was overpriced by $8,000-$10,000. Doors too long and heavy. Rotary dials, buttons, gauges and displays look like they came from an economy car. Primitive-looking rear compartment, with insufficient head and leg room for most adults. Audio system is overly complicated. Lacks agility of competitors.

Link: http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/auto...ex.cfm?id=22267

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Flybrian    0

The interior gripes can be legitimized, though I don't get the headline "fails the luxury test"...what? However, alot of the bitches like unspacious rear seating and long, awkward doors are traits of pretty much every modern sportcoupe and could also be said about the Tiburon, tC, Eclipse, etc.

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RJB    0

Ouch! Funny, I just got done reading this article here at work, on lunch. They dropped a bomb on this car, basically it has potential but they(GM) dropped the ball again is how the Lienerts' feel. I do agree that most of the options should be standard on this car with its price tag. GM needs to start putting all these extras as standard or else this topic will go on until the end of time. You know what I'm talking about...the Japanese have this or that as standard equipment why don't the domestics? I believe the pictures of the car in the paper are of the G6 'vert too. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure.

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avant1963    38

I drive a G6 EVERY f@#king day - enough with the interior $h!. The interior is easy on the eyes, easy to use and NO BETTER than much of the others that I have been in that are in the same price range. So these assholes think that a LOADED G6 GTP shoud cost the same as a Civic.

I'm about tired of ANYTHING in the press anymore. From these assholes, to CR to the general idiot public.

My blood pressure goes up every f@#king time I read this $h!. I'm tired. Take me out of the oven, I'm done!

And Croc, it's obvious that you are not a GM fan, have nothing to say about Buicks or Pontiacs other than "$h!y interior, $h!ty interior" Yeah, it doesn't match your M-Class, but spend some time in one, and learn something. I'm tired of this $h!. Bye Bye.

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I drive a G6 EVERY f@#king day - enough with the interior $h!.  The interior is easy on the eyes, easy to use and NO BETTER than much of the others that I have been in that are in the same price range.  So these assholes think that a LOADED G6 GTP shoud cost the same as a Civic.

I'm about tired of ANYTHING in the press anymore.  From these assholes, to CR to the general idiot public. 

My blood pressure goes up every f@#king time I read this $h!.  I'm tired.  Take me out of the oven, I'm done!

And Croc, it's obvious that you are not a GM fan, have nothing to say about Buicks or Pontiacs other than "$h!y interior, $h!ty interior" Yeah, it doesn't match your M-Class, but spend some time in one, and learn something.  I'm tired of this $h!.  Bye Bye.

I agree with you, but cool off, man! No need to crack a vein or two because of these morons 8) .

The title is flawed, too. When on earth G6 GTP is a "luxury"? As I always say, people are confused between "Premium" and "Luxury". If they want "luxury", they should be looking at a Caddy.

Just wait until my review comes out. I still need some time to work on it.

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bowtie_dude    0

I hate these two. Why? Because I read their "review," which this article barely qualifies as, and I feel like I'm eavesdropping on a conversation two yuppies are having in the local Starbucks. Ugh!

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Souped-up Pontiac G6 fails the luxury test

By Paul & Anita Lienert

We've been eagerly anticipating a test drive in the 2006 Pontiac G6 GTP, the performance-oriented edition of the slinky mid-size coupe.

In some respects, we weren't disappointed. But the apparent lack of attention to detail, especially in the cabin, was a major letdown.

We tested a well-equipped GTP with nearly $4,000 worth of options and a bottom line of $27,250.

SHE: What a stylish exterior! And that electric blue metallic paint is really eye-catching. But what a comedown to step inside the G6 and look around that flat and uninspired cabin, with the cheap materials, trim pieces that didn't fit together and other jarring features. It's like there was a total disconnection between the interior and the exterior for the Pontiac designers and engineers . And let me tell you that coupe buyers today are fussy. They expect an awful lot, especially if they're paying more than $25,000. Unfortunately, the GTP isn't going to live up to their desires or expectations.

Do you work for GM? How do you know how much the materials cost? And why are you using the word isn't right at the beginning of the review?

HE: I agree with you about that gorgeous shape and color, but I have a slightly different take on the GTP, purely from a mechanical perspective. The G6 shares its basic underpinnings with the Saab 9-3 and several other General Motors mid-size cars. It's a pretty sturdy, well-damped chassis that delivers a smooth and comfortable ride. The GTP gets the high-output 3.9-liter V-6, which is a sweet engine that makes 240 horsepower. Pontiac coupled it with the new six-speed manual gearbox. The shift action is a little stiff, but the throws are precise, and the engine responds beautifully to the slightest throttle input. The four-wheel disc brakes are also above par, but I'm not as fond of the steering, which feels too heavy for a car with such sporting pretensions. It isn't nearly as agile as such competitors as the Scion tC or the Hyundai Tiburon which, incidentally, are priced thousands of dollars below the GTP.

Moron, the tC and Tiburon aren't even in the same class! G6 is midsize, those are compacts. And the steering is supposed to be stiffer than the base. If you want a nice, light steering for everyday use, get a base or GT.

SHE: My eyes started to glaze over as soon as I heard the word "mechanical." So let's go back to the cabin, which is where potential owners will spend most of their time. It seems like everywhere you look, Pontiac cut corners. There are major design flaws, too. The steering wheel feels so ungainly -- too thick to grip comfortably and too large in diameter. The center armrest is positioned too far back for shorter drivers to reach. The seat belts are poorly designed and difficult to reach and use. And with that tiny backlight and thick pillars everywhere you look, visibility is terrible.

Did you put the seatbelts where they are supposed to in the first place, i.e. on the hook of the seat? This seatbelt basic design is the same as pretty much any other car in the class.

HE: I should add a few gripes of my own. The doors are way too long and heavy for comfort. The audio system is overly complicated, even for a techhead and audiophile like myself. And I know what you mean about corner-cutting. Pontiac neglected to put a power recline adjustment on the driver's seat, and the manual control makes it difficult to precisely position the seat back for comfort. And there are no power controls of any sort on the front passenger seat. The rear compartment is just plain primitive-looking, with too little head and leg room for most adults of even average size. And, finally, most of the dials, switches, buttons, gauges and displays all look like they belong on an economy car, not a $27,000 performance model. Yikes! What the heck was Pontiac thinking?

If THOSE doors are considered heavy, I really think you have some kind of problem. And the audio system is hard to use? As I see it, it works the same way as any other car in the market, not to mention I played around with my friend's Accord, and it works the same way. Power button, insert a CD and it plays. Rotate the volume. That's about it. Same situation on my G6. Perhaps you're just too stupid, even to write a car review.

SHE: I can't believe we actually agree on something. But I don't want to just complain. Considering the performance, and it was pretty amazing, the GTP gets decent fuel economy -- 18 mpg in the city and 26 mpg on the highway. That's a sweet exhaust note, too. I noticed that antilock brakes, traction control and stability control are all standard on the GTP. What I can't understand is why you have to pay extra for really basic safety equipment, like side air bags and side curtains.

Basic safety equipment? When did front airbags got mandated?? Heck, if you haven't noticed, I have seen tons of people who don't even put their seatbelts on. And now your calling that to be basic? What's wrong with giving people the choice to save a few bucks?

HE: Pontiac did do something right inside. They moved the ignition key from the steering column to the dashboard. You can order such amenities as adjustable pedals and remote start. But I was surprised that an uplevel car like our test vehicle did not include climate controls with dual settings for driver and passenger. GM, of course, installed OnStar and XM satellite radio as options, but I would rather have spent that money on a navigation system.

The ignition position is very subjective. My friend's Mazda 3 is still in the same position as my Cavalier, and he says it's more natural. See, that's what you call subjective.

SHE: You can't have everything, dear. But for $27,000, I'd like to see a lot more thought and effort go into the G6 cabin -- that is, if Pontiac wants to keep up with the competition.

2006 Pontiac G6 GTP Coupe

Type: Front-engine, front-wheel drive, four-passenger coupe.

Price: Base, $23,490 (inc. $625 destination charge); as tested, $27,250.

Engine: 3.9-liter V-6; 240-hp; 240 lb-ft torque.

EPA fuel economy: 18 mpg city/26 mpg highway.

Where built: Orion Township

12-month insurance cost, according to AAA Michigan*: $1,394 .(Estimate. Rates may be higher or lower, depending on coverage and driving record.)

Anita

Rating: 3

Likes: Stylish exterior. ABS, traction control and stability control standard on GTP. Nice exhaust note. Decent fuel economy.

Dislikes: Doesn't live up to desires of coupe buyers. Too much corner-cutting inside. Atrocious interior, flat and uninspired, with cheap materials. Lousy visibility, with small backlight and thick pillars. Steering wheel feels ungainly -- too big, too thick. Armrest too far back for shorter drivers to reach. Side air bags and side curtains cost extra. Interior trim pieces don't fit well. Poorly designed seat belts.

Paul

Rating: 2

Likes: Slinky shape is quite sexy. Lively 3.9L V-6, with good acceleration. Nice six-speed manual gearbox, with precise shifter. Sturdy, compliant suspension provides good control, comfortable ride. Ignition key moved from steering column to dash.

Dislikes: At $27,000-plus, our test car was overpriced by $8,000-$10,000. Doors too long and heavy. Rotary dials, buttons, gauges and displays look like they came from an economy car. Primitive-looking rear compartment, with insufficient head and leg room for most adults. Audio system is overly complicated. Lacks agility of competitors.

Link: http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/auto...ex.cfm?id=22267

Not to mention I hate the way on how they packaged the review itself. I find it very unprofessional to write an article like dialogs.

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avant1963    38

If these idiots ever drove a 1999-2005 Grand Am, or many other of GM's mid size offerings, the key HAD BEEN ON THE DASH FOR YEARS. They act like it was just put there in the G6.

AAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHOLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEESSSSS!

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FUTURE_OF_GM    26

8-10K less?!?!?!

What tha F***?!?!?!

This is just another typical Lienert review... Typically bland, typically $h!ty and typically anti-GM.

P.S. Good to have you back Walt! :D;)

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Chazman    1

Personally, I think the GTP should be the GT. And the GTP should get a level of serious development comparable to Pontiac's effort with the GP GXP.

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bowtie_dude    0

When REAL car people were asked to review the G6 GT, here's what they said of the interior.

We were impressed with the G6's ergonomics, fit and finish, and high-quality plastics—most of which are nicely grained and soft to the touch—and aesthetically pleased by the two-tone beige-and-black ambience.

Car and Driver, January 2005

Asking the Lienert's to review cars is like asking me to review a John Deere tractor. How the hell do I know what makes a good tractor? And they obviously don't know what makes a good car.

And keep in mind that C&D editors aren't the most GM fanatical people on the planet, so their compliments on the interior hold A LOT of weight.

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bowtie_dude    0

From Road and Track's review of the GTP Coupe just last month:

The wheel itself is a leather-wrapped 3-spoker with a fat rim section and auxiliary radio controls. The red-numeral gauges are ringed with chrome, easily read and unobscured by the wheel. But the center stack lets us down with its rather monotone look, cheesy radio knobs that belong on a $12,000 subcompact, and an ill-fitting liner for the storage cubby that looks like a stowaway from Rubbermaid's reject pile. On an up note, the graining and appearance of most plastics are now much better, and audio-system controls make up for their lack of presentational sparkle through their straightforward ease of use.

They had a few of the same issues with the "feel" of the nobs and buttons, but apparently are genious's since they found the "complicated stereo system" easy to use.

Its fast, too! From the same review:

Stand on it, and the 3530-lb. coupe puts down some very respectable test track numbers: 6.5 seconds to 60 mph, and the quarter mile in 15 flat at 95.7 mph, bracketed in performance by the slightly quicker Honda Accord V-6 Coupe and the fractionally slower Honda Civic Si we tested last month. Impressively, it puts the power down with only the tiniest trace of torque steer, and clutch engagement is positive and easily modulated, something that can't be said for the more finicky Accord.

And about the G6 GTP's direct competition, the Accord EX V6-coupe:

Pricier, yes, but the Honda Accord EX V-6 Coupe (tested March 2004) is lighter, slightly quicker and its interior shows more polish than the Pontiac. It also seats five to the G6's four, but the rear passengers won't enjoy as much leg room. The Honda gets the nod for engine/transmission smoothness, but the G6 wins points with a broader powerband.

I think R&T hits the nail right on the head. Like they, many of us, and FOG say, only slight tweeking interior-wise and some powertrain tweeks, and the G6 GTP is a solid competitor.

Almost forgot, here's the link to the whole article, G6 GTP Coupe, by R&T

And here's a nice profile shot of the coupe. Looks really good, IMO.

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enzl    0

Boo-hoo...I'm sorry, but their critique is legit...the G6 is, overall, just underwhelming...

So your car isn't their favorite....who cares?

If the G6 is GM putting its best foot forward, GM's screwed anyway.

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z28luvr01    170

My comments...

Not to mention I hate the way on how they packaged the review itself. I find it very unprofessional to write an article like dialogs.

This is a regular column they do. Husband and wife auto journalists...I can only imagine how much fun they are at parties. : :rolleyes:

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bowtie_dude    0

Boo-hoo...I'm sorry, but their critique is legit...the G6 is, overall, just underwhelming...

So your car isn't their favorite....who cares?

If the G6 is GM putting its best foot forward, GM's screwed anyway.

Not it isn't. Mostly because their presentation is ridiculous. Like I said, two yuppies at a Starbucks.

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Flybrian    0

Let it never be said that Pontiac owners lack passion for their cars.

Honestly, IMO, alot of it can be justified. We've all talked about how the interior can be improved and a car carrying the GTP designation should have more oomph to it. As for the review itself, again, it picks at some things that are traits shared by all coupes (big, heavy doors, cramped rear) and I don't see any credibility in the 'complicated stereo' comment as they do a poor job at explaining why this is. Seems like an 'uncomfortable seat'-style copout that is more of a jab than a legitimized complaint. Why are they uncomfortable? Why is it complicated?

As for the Lienerts, this isn't their worst review. Remember the DTS one? I swear Paul was molested by a DeVille when he was five the way it was written...

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enzl    0

Not it isn't.  Not only because they don't know jack about cars, but because their presentation is ridiculous.  Like I said, two yuppies at a Starbucks.

They've been writing this column for years...they come from a family full of auto journalists....attacking the reviewers (regardless of the quality of their writing style - I don't like 'em either) doesn't change the fact that the basis of their opinions are well-grounded in fact...and, BTW, its the 'Yuppies' that you deride that are the exact well educated, moneyed, and trend setting people GM needs to succeed...its moronic and shortsighted and an example of the poster's ignorance that he would chose that statement as a put-down...

You want to see an interesting, well thought out article on the state of GM? Check out this months' CAR (UK) magazine - they interview Rabid Rick W. in a well written and insightful manner.

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bowtie_dude    0

They've been writing this column for years...they come from a family full of auto journalists....attacking the reviewers (regardless of the quality of their writing style - I don't like 'em either) doesn't change the fact that the basis of their opinions are well-grounded in fact...and, BTW, its the 'Yuppies' that you deride that are the exact well educated, moneyed, and trend setting people GM needs to succeed...its moronic and shortsighted and an example of the poster's ignorance that he would chose that statement as a put-down...

You want to see an interesting, well thought out article on the state of GM? Check out this months' CAR (UK) magazine - they interview Rabid Rick W. in a well written and insightful manner.

Being educated, moneyed, and trend setting doesn't make you a yuppy. Hell, I'm edcuated and moneyed (sorta).

And I LOVE well thought-out reviews with detailed criticism, which is why I prefer to read C&D and R&Ts reviews to anyone elses. While I won't often agree, the writing is WAY better and tactful most of the time. The Lienerts, on the other hand, have neither good presentation or tactful criticism. They say "This is bad," without giving reason and criticize idiotic things like a door being heavy and big, when its no different than every other coupe door.

I stand by my opinion of yuppies. The Lienert's are the kind of people that drive a BMW because its got the blue and white badge on the front and rear without regard to why BMWs are damn good cars.

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enzl    0

Being educated, moneyed, and trend setting doesn't make you a yuppy.  Hell, I'm edcuated and moneyed (sorta). 

And I LOVE well thought-out reviews with detailed criticism, which is why I prefer to read C&D and R&Ts reviews to anyone elses.  While I won't often agree, the writing is WAY better and tactful most of the time.  The Lienerts, on the other hand, have neither good presentation or tactful criticism.  They say "This is bad," without giving reason and criticize idiotic things like a door being heavy and big, when its no different than every other coupe door.

I stand by my opinion of yuppies.  The Lienert's are the kind of people that drive a BMW because its got the blue and white badge on the front and rear without regard to why BMWs are damn good cars.

The Lienerts are not good writers, nor well presented...their work is more 'Good Housekeeping' than a legit outlet like DetNews...however, in a brief article (much shorter than the average Road Test in C&D or R&T), its difficult to get into any detail....

I think every GM fan on this site would be doing cartwheels if every 'Yuppie''s default choice was a Caddy or Buick or Saab, and, quite frankly, BMW still makes an excellent product (with a few exceptions). Unfortunately, Pontiac doesn't even get mentioned in the same breath as BMW when the average shopper is queried....that's the tragedy that is the 'elephant in the room' most ignore on this site...

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Snate    0

The G6 has some legitimate complaints (like every other car), but most of the stuff they discuss is purely subjective.

Either way...if someone lets a vague and poorly written article like this sway their opinion much then they probably aren't very intelligent.

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bowtie_dude    0

The Lienerts are not good writers, nor well presented...their work is more 'Good Housekeeping' than a legit outlet like DetNews...however, in a brief article (much shorter than the average Road Test in C&D or R&T), its difficult to get into any detail....

I think every GM fan on this site would be doing cartwheels if every 'Yuppie''s default choice was a Caddy or Buick or Saab, and, quite frankly, BMW still makes an excellent product (with a few exceptions). Unfortunately, Pontiac doesn't even get mentioned in the same breath as BMW when the average shopper is queried....that's the tragedy that is the 'elephant in the room' most ignore on this site...

Saab has its own fans, people that likely would never buy a BMW or Acura.

Regardless, I don't think yuppies are the buying majority, nor are they trend setters, but trend followers (thats why they're yuppies).

And you're right, Pontiac doesn't often get mentioned in the same breath as BMW. But should it? When a friend of mine speaks of Pontiac, he compares the brand to Mazda or Honda, as he should because thats its competitors. Ponchos don't compete with Bimmers. How could they? A brand whose MSRPs range from $15k-30k should really be compared to a brand whose prices range from $33k-120k.

And I never denied BMWs were fantastic cars, they are. I love BMWs (Bangled models excluded, sans the 6-series). But what I said was that BMW being a fantastic car has nothing to do with the purchase decision of a yuppy. The yuppy buys it because there's a BMW badge on TOP of the hood, not because of what is UNDER the hood. Therefore, the opinion of TWO yuppies is not only subject to little consideration (despite their criticisms being well-grounded, if poorly presented).

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FUTURE_OF_GM    26

From Road and Track's review of the GTP Coupe just last month:

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The wheel itself is a leather-wrapped 3-spoker with a fat rim section and auxiliary radio controls. The red-numeral gauges are ringed with chrome, easily read and unobscured by the wheel. But the center stack lets us down with its rather monotone look, cheesy radio knobs that belong on a $12,000 subcompact, and an ill-fitting liner for the storage cubby that looks like a stowaway from Rubbermaid's reject pile. On an up note, the graining and appearance of most plastics are now much better, and audio-system controls make up for their lack of presentational sparkle through their straightforward ease of use.

They had a few of the same issues with the "feel" of the nobs and buttons, but apparently are genious's since they found the "complicated stereo system" easy to use.

This is a PRIME example of automotive reviewing being MOSTLY SUBJECTIVE GARBAGE these days... There is NO WAY IN HELL that these reviews should differ that much.

And I never denied BMWs were fantastic cars, they are. I love BMWs (Bangled models excluded, sans the 6-series). But what I said was that BMW being a fantastic car has nothing to do with the purchase decision of a yuppy. The yuppy buys it because there's a BMW badge on TOP of the hood, not because of what is UNDER the hood. Therefore, the opinion of TWO yuppies is not only subject to little consideration (despite their criticisms being well-grounded, if poorly presented).

[classic FOG cheapshot] So wouldn't that make EVERY Toyota buyer a YUPPIE :AH-HA_wink: [/classic FOG cheapshot]

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bowtie_dude    0

This is a PRIME example of automotive reviewing being MOSTLY SUBJECTIVE GARBAGE these days... There is NO WAY IN HELL that these reviews should differ that much.

[classic FOG cheapshot] So wouldn't that make EVERY Toyota buyer a YUPPIE  :AH-HA_wink: [/classic FOG cheapshot]

Uh, yeah, actually it would.

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I stand by my opinion of yuppies.  The Lienert's are the kind of people that drive a BMW because its got the blue and white badge on the front and rear without regard to why BMWs are damn good cars.

Reminds me of....

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