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Mercedez Benz News Rumorpile: Mercedes-Benz Plans Four New EVs By 2020

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Mercedes-Benz is getting ready to launch four new electric vehicles - two sedans and two SUVs - by 2020. Autocar reports that the German brand is accelerating plans after the German government announced that it would be offering subsidies on all EVs priced less than €60,000 (about $66,900) to spur sales.

 

The outgoing R&D boss at Mercedes-Benz, Thomas Weber has put these plans into motion and hinted that the electric models will share links with standard models. This means the sedans will have a connection to the C and S-Class, while the SUVs will share bits from the GLA and GLC.

 

Sources tell Autocar that the designs share the basic elements with the gas-powered models, but will have their own touches to make them recognizable as EVs. In terms of platforms, the two sedans and GLC-sized model will use a new one known as MEA (Modular Electric Architecture). MEA allows Mercedes to offer an electric vehicle with either rear-wheel or all-wheel drive in combination with three electric motors. The GLA-sized model will utilize the same platform that underpins the B-Class Electric Drive.

 

As for power, Mercedes' r&d is working on a range of electric motors producing 75 to 400kW (101 to 536 horsepower). Batteries will come from Accumotive that will provide a minimum range of 250 miles.

 

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dfelt    1,777

Seems that since BMW came out with their iPerformance Line, MB now needs to copy them also. 

 

iPerformance story here: http://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/86922-bmw-iperformance-anything-new-or-just-addressing-cafe/

 

I just hope that Cadillac does not ignore this market. They need to have EV's in all levels.

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smk4565    322

Mercedes said they are not doing a sub-brand like BMW i, and are not copying them in that.  I see this more as Tesla fighters.  I am loving the prospect of a small to mid-size sedan with a 536 hp electric motor powering the rear wheels.  

 

I could see them doing some sort of GLA electric, that gives them a cheaper fwd electric car, that is better than the B-class.  But the fun stuff will be the twin motor 500+ HP stuff like the Tesla Model S.

 

And I think Dr. Thomas Weber will be missed.  

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surreal1272    677
Mercedes said they are not doing a sub-brand like BMW i, and are not copying them in that.  I see this more as Tesla fighters.  I am loving the prospect of a small to mid-size sedan with a 536 hp electric motor powering the rear wheels.  

 

I could see them doing some sort of GLA electric, that gives them a cheaper fwd electric car, that is better than the B-class.  But the fun stuff will be the twin motor 500+ HP stuff like the Tesla Model S.

 

And I think Dr. Thomas Weber will be missed.

So the more than $100K BMW i8 is a "sub brand"?

Whatever you say.

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smk4565    322

The one car is supposed to be a sedan bigger than a C-class, but smaller than an E-class, for sure they would want that to cost under 50,000 Euro or whatever the threshold is for the German gov't tax credit or subsidy that they have for electric cars.    They need volume to justify the platform.   The 2nd sedan will be large, and I imagine be based on this:

 

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balthazar    1,882

WHy not just offer EV options for the existing lines, instead of bringing out 4 MORE additional models??

If slotting between the C & E, the sedans would HAVE to be dubbed 'D-class' now that MB has supposedly gotten their naming system in order.

Too many models !!

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surreal1272    677

WHy not just offer EV options for the existing lines, instead of bringing out 4 MORE additional models??

If slotting between the C & E, the sedans would HAVE to be dubbed 'D-class' now that MB has supposedly gotten their naming system in order.

Too many models !!

It's Mercedes. The naming problems of others do not apply to them. They were the first to create a one letter car and are above all criticisms of such things. :breakdance:

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smk4565    322

Because making an electric car on a platform designed for gas engine in the front and a drivetrain running down the middle doesn't make sense.   If they make an electric car platform they can load the floor plan with batteries and electric motors.  More interior room, and they have more flexibility with styling.

 

They are making 10 plug-in hybrid versions of existing models though, for those that want an electrified C, E, S, GLE, GLC, etc.

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smk4565    322

 

WHy not just offer EV options for the existing lines, instead of bringing out 4 MORE additional models??

If slotting between the C & E, the sedans would HAVE to be dubbed 'D-class' now that MB has supposedly gotten their naming system in order.

Too many models !!

It's Mercedes. The naming problems of others do not apply to them. They were the first to create a one letter car and are above all criticisms of such things. :breakdance:

 

They haven't even named it yet, or said exactly what these will be.  One can speculate they are going right after Tesla though.   Maybe they will make the E-wagen.  Perhaps an E-wing with gullwing doors.

 

The good thing about Mercedes is huge R&D budget and they aren't constrained as to what they can build or how many models they can have.  A lot of the cars share drive trains and they only have like 4 platforms (not counting G-wagen) that they build a lot of variants off of.  While the other guys talk about it, or show concept cars, Mercedes builds dream cars.

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surreal1272    677

WHy not just offer EV options for the existing lines, instead of bringing out 4 MORE additional models??

If slotting between the C & E, the sedans would HAVE to be dubbed 'D-class' now that MB has supposedly gotten their naming system in order.

Too many models !!

It's Mercedes. The naming problems of others do not apply to them. They were the first to create a one letter car and are above all criticisms of such things. :breakdance:

They haven't even named it yet, or said exactly what these will be. One can speculate they are going right after Tesla though. Maybe they will make the E-wagen. Perhaps an E-wing with gullwing doors.

The good thing about Mercedes is huge R&D budget and they aren't constrained as to what they can build or how many models they can have. A lot of the cars share drive trains and they only have like 4 platforms (not counting G-wagen) that they build a lot of variants off of. While the other guys talk about it, or show concept cars, Mercedes builds dream cars.

And yet again, you don't get it. That breeze you felt over your head was the joke that flew by it.

Of course, maybe it wasn't really a joke.

Btw, do you want me to repost those pictures of those "dream cars" Mercedes didn't build because they are no damn different from any other automaker in that regard?

Good grief. You must love Kool Aid.

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smk4565    322

A twin motor electric with over 500 HP is going to be awesome. Tesla very well could be the future, they are getting ready to fight the future. They aren't going to sit idle and let Tesla pass them by.

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dfelt    1,777

A twin motor electric with over 500 HP is going to be awesome. Tesla very well could be the future, they are getting ready to fight the future. They aren't going to sit idle and let Tesla pass them by.

Interesting how you only focus on the 500+ HP rather than admit that MB will also produce some best effort at that cause their basic engine will start at 75kW or 101HP which is half of what the Chevy BOLT will be which is 150kW or 200HP.

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surreal1272    677

A twin motor electric with over 500 HP is going to be awesome. Tesla very well could be the future, they are getting ready to fight the future. They aren't going to sit idle and let Tesla pass them by.

Interesting how you only focus on the 500+ HP rather than admit that MB will also produce some best effort at that cause their basic engine will start at 75kW or 101HP which is half of what the Chevy BOLT will be which is 150kW or 200HP.

It's the tasty Mercedes Benz Kool Aid that does it.

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ccap41    1,162

WHy not just offer EV options for the existing lines, instead of bringing out 4 MORE additional models??

If slotting between the C & E, the sedans would HAVE to be dubbed 'D-class' now that MB has supposedly gotten their naming system in order.

Too many models !!

That was the first thing that I thought of too. Make EV versions of the C or E but don't make a third vehicle slotted between them. 

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smk4565    322

 

A twin motor electric with over 500 HP is going to be awesome. Tesla very well could be the future, they are getting ready to fight the future. They aren't going to sit idle and let Tesla pass them by.

Interesting how you only focus on the 500+ HP rather than admit that MB will also produce some best effort at that cause their basic engine will start at 75kW or 101HP which is half of what the Chevy BOLT will be which is 150kW or 200HP.

 

There won't be only 1 motor per car.   The earlier reports were a 300 kw (400 hp) electric motor would be the base motor for rear drive vehicles.  All wheel drive vehicles get another motor or two up front.  So there could be a 101 hp motor on each front wheel, a 400 hp motor in the back, now you have 602 hp in an all wheel drive car, or put the 540 hp motor in back and you have 740 hp total.

 

Perhaps also they want a few electric motors of different power levels for use in plug-in hybrids too.  Mercedes like in house made stuff, they probably don't want to buy off some other maker, just like they don't buy transmissions from ZF or Aisin.    Maybe they need the 101 hp electric motor to put on each front wheel of the mid-engine super car Tobias Moors wants to build.  Put 2 of those up front, with a 600 hp V8 in back, and they can go Ferrari hunting.

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Suaviloquent    713

I think the cars will be a lot closer than we are speculating. Pretty much Mercedes next-gen platform share common bones for a lot of cars/cuvs.

 

I'm thinking along the lines of Voltec and D2XX.

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Mercedes said they are not doing a sub-brand like BMW i, and are not copying them in that.  I see this more as Tesla fighters.  I am loving the prospect of a small to mid-size sedan with a 536 hp electric motor powering the rear wheels.  

 

I could see them doing some sort of GLA electric, that gives them a cheaper fwd electric car, that is better than the B-class.  But the fun stuff will be the twin motor 500+ HP stuff like the Tesla Model S.

 

And I think Dr. Thomas Weber will be missed.

So the more than $100K BMW i8 is a "sub brand"?

Whatever you say.

 

'sub brand' has nothing to do with price...it simply means brand-within-a-brand.  BMW's i and M ranges fit that definition, as does M-B's AMG and Maybach ranges.    Same with Cadillac and V-series, Chrysler and SRT, Ford and SVT/ST, etc..

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surreal1272    677

Mercedes said they are not doing a sub-brand like BMW i, and are not copying them in that. I see this more as Tesla fighters. I am loving the prospect of a small to mid-size sedan with a 536 hp electric motor powering the rear wheels.

I could see them doing some sort of GLA electric, that gives them a cheaper fwd electric car, that is better than the B-class. But the fun stuff will be the twin motor 500+ HP stuff like the Tesla Model S.

And I think Dr. Thomas Weber will be missed.

So the more than $100K BMW i8 is a "sub brand"?

Whatever you say.

'sub brand' has nothing to do with price...it simply means brand-within-a-brand. BMW's i and M ranges fit that definition, as does M-B's AMG and Maybach ranges. Same with Cadillac and V-series, Chrysler and SRT, Ford and SVT/ST, etc..
They are sold at BMW dealerships and are BMWs so I think the term "sub-brand" is a huge misnomer.

I would say the same thing for the other brands as well. I don't feel that is the right term for it anyway but maybe that's just me.

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Mercedes said they are not doing a sub-brand like BMW i, and are not copying them in that. I see this more as Tesla fighters. I am loving the prospect of a small to mid-size sedan with a 536 hp electric motor powering the rear wheels.

I could see them doing some sort of GLA electric, that gives them a cheaper fwd electric car, that is better than the B-class. But the fun stuff will be the twin motor 500+ HP stuff like the Tesla Model S.

And I think Dr. Thomas Weber will be missed.

So the more than $100K BMW i8 is a "sub brand"?

Whatever you say.

'sub brand' has nothing to do with price...it simply means brand-within-a-brand. BMW's i and M ranges fit that definition, as does M-B's AMG and Maybach ranges. Same with Cadillac and V-series, Chrysler and SRT, Ford and SVT/ST, etc..
They are sold at BMW dealerships and are BMWs so I think the term "sub-brand" is a huge misnomer.

I would say the same thing for the other brands as well. I don't feel that is the right term for it anyway but maybe that's just me.

 

It is the right term.  

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surreal1272    677

Mercedes said they are not doing a sub-brand like BMW i, and are not copying them in that. I see this more as Tesla fighters. I am loving the prospect of a small to mid-size sedan with a 536 hp electric motor powering the rear wheels.

I could see them doing some sort of GLA electric, that gives them a cheaper fwd electric car, that is better than the B-class. But the fun stuff will be the twin motor 500+ HP stuff like the Tesla Model S.

And I think Dr. Thomas Weber will be missed.

So the more than $100K BMW i8 is a "sub brand"?

Whatever you say.

'sub brand' has nothing to do with price...it simply means brand-within-a-brand. BMW's i and M ranges fit that definition, as does M-B's AMG and Maybach ranges. Same with Cadillac and V-series, Chrysler and SRT, Ford and SVT/ST, etc..
They are sold at BMW dealerships and are BMWs so I think the term "sub-brand" is a huge misnomer.

I would say the same thing for the other brands as well. I don't feel that is the right term for it anyway but maybe that's just me.

It is the right term.

Again, merely stating my opinion that it is a misused term in this case. I view those more as a brand extension.

Also, my mention of price was meant as a tongue in cheek response to SMKs assertion that Benz won't go that route, even that is exactly what it is looking like.

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smk4565    322

I'm sure there will be a $100k+ EV car, but it will probably also do 0-60 in 3 seconds flat, so bring it in.   AMG is going to be doing electric cars in 10 years I bet.  Electric is going to be the future, the gas engine eventually won't be able to catch up.

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ocnblu    733

Here's the German government taking people's money and forcing changes where they are not needed nor desired.  I guess those who try to hold onto their infinitely practical gas or diesel powered vehicles will be sent to concentration camps next.

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smk4565    322

Doubt they will bring back concentration camps.

 

Eventually though electric will overtake gas cars, just like self driving cars will become common.  There will always be gas cars for the exhaust note in a sports car, or perhaps longer range driving (500+miles), but when batteries and electric motors get cheaper, the performance level is undeniable.

 

Just think of this, the first smart phone came out 9 years ago.  And look how fast things went since.  

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balthazar    1,882

Eventually though electric will overtake gas cars, just like self driving cars will become common.

Won't happen in our lifetimes.

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smk4565    322

 

Eventually though electric will overtake gas cars, just like self driving cars will become common.

Won't happen in our lifetimes.

 

Sure it will.  Take a car like the Corvette Z06, fastest car GM has ever made in 100 years, and the Tesla sedan is faster on the first generation.

 

5 years ago a Nissan Leaf at $35k had a 100 mile range, now we are seeing 200 mile range for similar price out of a Bolt or Model 3 next year.   In 5 more years they will be a 300 mile range for $30k.  And with an electric cost of $250 a year vs $2,500 a year for gas, that gets to be an easy sell for electrics.

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