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16 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

#1 in global luxury sales

#1 in American market luxury sales

#1 European market luxury sales 

#2 in Chinese market luxury sales

#1 selling full size luxury car in USA

#1 selling mid luxury car in USA
#1 selling small luxury sedan in USA

#1 selling mid luxury SUV

#2 selling full size luxury SUV

#1 selling SUV over $100k

#1 selling performance brand in AMG

Highest ATP of any full line luxury brand

Formula 1 Champion 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 F1 points leader

How are they losing? 

It is a new platform from the 2015-present Navara.  No relation to the current Frontier which is ancient.

Still ancient by today's standards and it doesn't change my original point one bit. It is a dressed up Nissan pretending to be premium. In fact, Benz has the stupidity to call it the first true premium pick up, which is a bold faced lie. 

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22 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

 

It is a new platform from the 2015-present Navara.  No relation to the current Frontier which is ancient.

Just a cheap mass market pickup platform...nothing significant...

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2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Just a cheap mass market pickup platform...nothing significant...

Isn't that what the Colorado, Tacomoa and Ranger ride on too?  I am sure what Daimler-Renault-Nissan came up with here is as good as those.  Once a comparison test happens by a European car mag, I guess we will find out.

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

#1 in global luxury sales

#1 in American market luxury sales

#1 European market luxury sales 

#2 in Chinese market luxury sales

#1 selling full size luxury car in USA

#1 selling mid luxury car in USA
#1 selling small luxury sedan in USA

#1 selling mid luxury SUV

#2 selling full size luxury SUV

#1 selling SUV over $100k

#1 selling performance brand in AMG

Highest ATP of any full line luxury brand

Formula 1 Champion 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 F1 points leader

How are they losing? 

Simple, 17 car brands are rated better than MB in 2017, 15 brands rated better in 2016, 14 brands rated better in 2015, 13 rated better in 2014, 11 rated better in 2013, 8 rated better in 2012. I could go on but as one can see, in just the last 5 years MB quality is not #1.  Just in case you think I am making this up, here are the last 5 years posted by J. D. Powers IQS. Clearly MB is following the same path as Cadillac in the 80's of going down hill every year and getting worse and worse. So many better products out there than MB.

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Clearly MB is hitting their sales climax and decline is around the corner.  I fully expect some mags will praise this wanna be truck but hopefully many will see just how pathetic and cheap of a job MB did on this pickup.

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18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Isn't that what the Colorado, Tacomoa and Ranger ride on too?  I am sure what Daimler-Renault-Nissan came up with here is as good as those.  Once a comparison test happens by a European car mag, I guess we will find out.

Newsflash. Those three are supposed to be mass market as they are marketed to the masses. A luxury car maker trying to push a rebadged Nissan is another matter all together. 

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Isn't that what the Colorado, Tacoma and Ranger ride on too?  I am sure what Daimler-Renault-Nissan came up with here is as good as those.  Once a comparison test happens by a European car mag, I guess we will find out.

This is badged as a Mercedes-Benz...isn't M-B supposed to be higher level than a common Asian appliance?    You are trying to compare apples to oranges.. 

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From 1950

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Which was based off of this during the War. It was a German Wehrmacht staff car.

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Which similarly how Jeep went civilian after the War begat this and other variants like the commercial wagon above.

Mercedes in Europe, has a loooong history of catering to the masses

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with all kinds of commercial and blue collar vehicles...

What I find stupid with Mercedes is that all those wonderful tough and rugged blue collar stuff and all the war mongering  vehicles...they were all engineered by GERMAN folk working for Mercedes and Benz and Daimler...

This is an insult to the heritage of the 3 pointed star!!!

OH....George Dubbya might have an issue with this shyte being called the 1st true premium pick-up truck

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And...it was engineered by Henry Ford's people sold by Henry's offspring...

Yes....the same Henry Ford that designed this off roader

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If Henry slapped on some leather on this like how the Duesenbergs did with their cars and the Model T would have that title waaaaaay back when...but Henry wanted to sell to the masses...

 

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The issue with throwing up (hee-hee: we're talking about the model X and I said 'throwing up' :D ) pics of '50s MBs is that the brand wasn't a luxury brand THEN; then they were for the masses/ mainstream.

The problem arises once you move past Mercedes benchmarking Cadillac and becoming a luxury brand in the 1990s, and heavily marketing that ID. NOW a rebadged crapbox truck with power levels from a decade ago and a bare minimum of effort to 'make' it a MB, and it comes off as a shuddering hot mess.

If Daimler had left it in the commercial so-called 'division' and sold them all as refrigerator white/black plastic utility vehicles; maybe. But the "World's First True Premium Pickup'?????? Not sure Daimler can back out of this hole.

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4 minutes ago, balthazar said:

The issue with throwing up (hee-hee: we're talking about the model X and I said 'throwing up' :D ) pics of '50s MBs is that the brand wasn't a luxury brand THEN; then they were for the masses/ mainstream.

The problem arises once you move past Mercedes benchmarking Cadillac and becoming a luxury brand in the 1990s, and heavily marketing that ID. NOW a rebadged crapbox truck with power levels from a decade ago and a bare minimum of effort to 'make' it a MB, and it comes off as a shuddering hot mess.

If Daimler had left it in the commercial so-called 'division' and sold them all as refrigerator white/black plastic utility vehicles; maybe. But the "World's First True Premium Pickup'?????? Not sure Daimler can back out of this hole.

Well spoken!

6 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Still ancient by today's standards and it doesn't change my original point one bit. It is a dressed up Nissan pretending to be premium. In fact, Benz has the stupidity to call it the first true premium pick up, which is a bold faced lie. 

Sadly, people no longer seem to care very much about the truth.

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This could be a way to test the waters with little cost or investment.  They probably want to see how the market reacts to this.  If it is positive then Mercedes can do a ground up design from scratch with the GLE/GLS chassis and make a mid-size truck on their own.

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30 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

This could be a way to test the waters with little cost or investment.  They probably want to see how the market reacts to this.  If it is positive then Mercedes can do a ground up design from scratch with the GLE/GLS chassis and make a mid-size truck on their own.

This could also just be yet another excuse by Mercedes defenders. A mid-size truck for the world market is an easier and far cheaper investment, from scratch, than any EV car (and I'm an EV fan). Mercedes has truck chassis of their own to pick from but the "Best or nothing" company took the lazy route. 

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19 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

This could also just be yet another excuse by Mercedes defenders. A mid-size truck for the world market is an easier and far cheaper investment, from scratch, than any EV car (and I'm an EV fan). Mercedes has truck chassis of their own to pick from but the "Best or nothing" company took the lazy route. 

They don't have a pick up truck chassis.  They could turn a unibody SUV into a pick up like Honda did with the Ridgeline.

I actually think Mercedes shouldn't even build a pickup truck.  I think this is a waste of time, when they have a huge car line to manage and they want to build 10 EV's.  Any resources spend on the X-class could have gone elsewhere. This might be an easy money grab, they gave Nissan the GLA platform so Infiniti could have a small crossover, this was what they got in return.

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38 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

They don't have a pick up truck chassis.  They could turn a unibody SUV into a pick up like Honda did with the Ridgeline.

I actually think Mercedes shouldn't even build a pickup truck.  I think this is a waste of time, when they have a huge car line to manage and they want to build 10 EV's.  Any resources spend on the X-class could have gone elsewhere. This might be an easy money grab, they gave Nissan the GLA platform so Infiniti could have a small crossover, this was what they got in return.

Wrong. Per Wikipedia:

"The Mercedes-Benz Sprinter is a vehicle built by Daimler AG of Stuttgart, Germany as a vanchassis cabminibus, and pickup truck"

 

Those last two words are the most important btw. 

 

And Mercedes should really reconsider who they trade and with and what they trade for, in the future. 

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6 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Wrong. Per Wikipedia:

"The Mercedes-Benz Sprinter is a vehicle built by Daimler AG of Stuttgart, Germany as a vanchassis cabminibus, and pickup truck"

Those last two words are the most important btw. 

 

Yeah, the Sprinter pickup is pretty cool... never seen one in the US, though..don't think they are sold here.  Single and double cab versions.  But they are serious, practical work trucks, not 'premium lifestyle' luxury pickups. 

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3 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Yeah, the Sprinter pickup is pretty cool... never seen one in the US, though..don't think they are sold here.  Single and double cab versions.  But they are serious, practical work trucks, not 'premium lifestyle' luxury pickups. 

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And you would think with Mercedes huge R&D budget (according to one source anyway), that they could have repurposed that chassis into an everyday pick up that doesn't share it's bones with an Asian mass market pick up.

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Nissan-Renault could be the largest car maker in the world this year, not a bad company to have a partnership with.  If they ever need a favor from the Carlos Goshn empire they can.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Nissan-Renault could be the largest car maker in the world this year, not a bad company to have a partnership with.  If they ever need a favor from the Carlos Goshn empire they can.

Again, Mercedes had their own pick up, tons of R&D cash (by your own admission) and they took the cheap and easy way out. That is not the mark of a luxury car brand that markets itself as the "Best or nothing". 

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2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Again, Mercedes had their own pick up, tons of R&D cash (by your own admission) and they took the cheap and easy way out. That is not the mark of a luxury car brand that markets itself as the "Best or nothing". 

Agreed Completely.

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