First Impressions: 2020 Cadillac CT5: Comments

[David]

5 hours ago, ccap41 said:

There are solid state batteries ready for the market? Who's using them first? What're they going in?

As I have published earlier in the alternative fuel channel, Toshiba goes into production with their solid state batteries this spring, Mitsubishi and Nissan are the first auto companies that are going to use them in their EVs. 

Two battery pack options, 198 mile pack that charges fully in 6 min and 396 mile pack that charges in 12 min. Toshiba is leading the charge here and then there is Samsung who as @Drew Dowdell suggested has stated they will have solid state batteries out later this year but no product mentioned. I suspect in the Note 10, Samsung has also been totally quiet about the battery that is in the Samsung Fold but many think it is a solid state battery.

Benefits of solid state batteries is half the size of traditional Lithium Ion batteries with 4 times more charge. So making phones liter makes sense, but for a phone like the note, I can also see much longer charge times.

Since the time I have posted my original story about the Scib batteries, toshiba has both hybrid lithium ion and solid state going into production this year.

This was the update I posted about the drop of cobalt from them last year.

Since then Samsung has made announcements, Dyson, and many others. 2019 / 2020 seems to be the year we start seeing Solid state batteries just as EVs start being rolled out.

[frogger]

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

What kind of improvement in phone batteries will that bring? Could it take my one charge per day(overnight) to one charge per two days? That would be pretty amazing. 

Since I got my XR, I have only used my phone so much throughout a single day that I felt the need to charge it before bed once. It will easily last 24hrs before getting under 20%. I stretched it to 28hrs once to see about how long it'll go on a charge and I think that was around 5% battery remaining. 

I'm going to assume they will improve battery life if they can do it cheaply enough with the new solid state stuff. I went from max 3.5hrs screen time over two days to around 6hrs comfortably (I don't game on phone) over two days when I upgraded to my current phone and I expect now with 2019 flagship phones going to 7nm SoC's battery life has improved even more.

 

 

[ocnblu]

3 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

I want you pay special close attention to the first paragraph describing the Bolt on CHEVY’s own page. Nowhere does it say CUV but it sure does mention the word “car” a lot. And no one is crying but you because you’re the only one here who gets their underwear in a knot over any positive attention directed at EVs. We get it. You hate them so maybe staying out of the conversation and not trolling at every EV turn would be better here. 

 

 

[surreal1272]

19 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

 

Site your source there. Here’s mine. 

https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev-electric-car

 

oh and if you are still not convinced here, please come to Sands Chevrolet in Glendale, AZ (where I used to work) and tell them it’s CUV. That’ll be a good laugh. It can’t even be considered a CUV when it is FWD only. That makes it a tall wagon. 

Edited April 25, 2019 by surreal1272

[ocnblu]

You cannot read the screenshot?  Am I in the twilight zone?  Soooo surreal.  IT READS:   2019 ONLINE ORDER/REFERENCE GUIDE.

[surreal1272]

4 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

You cannot read the screenshot?  Am I in the twilight zone?  Soooo surreal.  IT READS:   2019 ONLINE ORDER/REFERENCE GUIDE.

Again, provide a link. It’s that simple. 

 

Edit:Nevermind. I found it. One reference guide, even one from GM does not change the fact that the Bolts own page (Chevrolet.com) is under only “electric vehicles” and not “SUVs” and going here makes no mention of what it is other than “car”. Call it that all you want but no one in their right minds here would call that a CUV

Edited April 25, 2019 by surreal1272

[ocnblu]

I really ain't got time for this crap.  HERE is your damn link, foo

https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NASApp/domestic/vehiclesel.jsp?year=2019&regionID=1&divisionID=1

[surreal1272]

2 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

I really ain't got time for this crap.  HERE is your damn link, foo

https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NASApp/domestic/vehiclesel.jsp?year=2019&regionID=1&divisionID=1

Settle down there junior. You clearly had time for it or you wouldn’t be here. Here’s some more evidence. Now you will the first two images saying everything but CUV. The third is for the Trax CUV, from Chevys own page. The first paragraph states that it is an “SUV”, much how the Bolts own page states that is a “car”.

 

Understand the difference yet?

 

[ocnblu]

15 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

oh and if you are still not convinced here, please come to Sands Chevrolet in Glendale, AZ (where I used to work) and tell them it’s CUV. That’ll be a good laugh. It can’t even be considered a CUV when it is FWD only. That makes it a tall wagon.

LOL salesmen know NOTHING about the product... what a simple comment.

[surreal1272]

Now, I’m done with this @ocnblu because it has gotten sidetracked here. Go on believing that you aren’t doing anything else here other than trolling and crying about EVs but this is about the CT5 and I think it needs to get back to that. 

1 minute ago, ocnblu said:

LOL salesmen know NOTHING about the product... what a simple comment.

That’s all you got? 

 

Point proven. 

[ocnblu]

From Wikipedia:  The EPA classifies the Bolt as "small station wagon", with less than 130 cu ft of interior volume.^[1][36] GM refers to the Bolt as a crossover.^[37]

Edited April 25, 2019 by ocnblu

[surreal1272]

3 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

From Wikipedia:  The EPA classifies the Bolt as "small station wagon", with less than 130 cu ft of interior volume.^[1][36] GM refers to the Bolt as a crossover.^[37]

Quoting wiki now? Yeah, that’s reliable. Talk about a simple statement lol. Your desperation is starting to show. 

 

Now about that CT5, the one GM says is a “3 series and C Class competitor” despite the near ten inches more in length (see where this is going yet ocnblu?), will this really mean that there will not be a smaller model underneath it, i.e. a CT4? There still seems to be some confusion about that. 

[ocnblu]

On 4/23/2019 at 9:27 AM, dfelt said:

Then pour the rest of the money into the CUV / SUV lineup and focus on EVs.

This person is the (literally) biggest troll on this site.  And he is left unchecked by the powers that be.  This is the first mention of EVs in this thread... and I could list untold numbers of other threads where EV's are brought up inappropriately by him.  And do not get me started on his myriad political posts that go completely unchecked in inappropriate places.

Just now, surreal1272 said:

Quoting wiki now? Yeah, that’s reliable

You don't have to believe wiki... but there is a link shown where you can go to GM material and see for yourself.

[David]

2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

 

So that is a dealer access order guide then only? I have never seen anything like this before, guess for rating of EPA, they list it CUV, but public knows better as a hatchback? 🤷‍♂️

I have to say that Cadillac has nailed the LOVELY Burgundy Wine Color on the CT5. This really makes it attractive.

[ccap41]

14 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

. It can’t even be considered a CUV when it is FWD only.

That has nothing to do with it being a car vs CUV. 

I think there being this kind of debate over it being a car or a CUV is EXACTLY what the rest of us have been saying. It's styling is of a hybrid car/cuv. It's ugly for that reason, imo. It doesn't look car enough to be a car and it doesn't look CUV enough to be a CUV. It's just an ugly middle ground. 

[ccap41]

13 hours ago, dfelt said:

I have to say that Cadillac has nailed the LOVELY Burgundy Wine Color on the CT5. This really makes it attractive.

That color is amazing. I've been into dark "colors" a lot lately. Dark reds/blues/greens are towards the top of my lists right now. 

[Robert Hall]

49 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

That has nothing to do with it being a car vs CUV. 

I think there being this kind of debate over it being a car or a CUV is EXACTLY what the rest of us have been saying. It's styling is of a hybrid car/cuv. It's ugly for that reason, imo. It doesn't look car enough to be a car and it doesn't look CUV enough to be a CUV. It's just an ugly middle ground. 

The Bolt is a one-box monospace.  Tall hatchback.  Car?  CUV?  Transport pod?   It's something...

[Drew Dowdell]

I think it is the side shot of the CT5 that bothers me the most. It looks like it doesn't have enough trunk.

[ccap41]

4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I think it is the side shot of the CT5 that bothers me the most. It looks like it doesn't have enough trunk.

YES. It has that coupe-like look to it but the proportions are just slightly off on the rear.

[David]

43 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I think it is the side shot of the CT5 that bothers me the most. It looks like it doesn't have enough trunk.

Exactly why I feel the coupe things is so over done. 4 door sedans need a proper trunk look and not the jellybean with no trunk look.

[surreal1272]

16 hours ago, ocnblu said:

This person is the (literally) biggest troll on this site.  And he is left unchecked by the powers that be.  This is the first mention of EVs in this thread... and I could list untold numbers of other threads where EV's are brought up inappropriately by him.  And do not get me started on his myriad political posts that go completely unchecked in inappropriate places.

You don't have to believe wiki... but there is a link shown where you can go to GM material and see for yourself.

I don’t think you understand the definition of the word “troll”. Also, I don’t give a damn what the order guide says. Most customers don’t go there and don’t even know about them unless they deal with fleet sales. When you go to Chevrolet.com to build one (or just research it), you will find not ONE mention of it as being a CUV. No salesman has ever sold the Bolt as a CUV and no one has ever confused as a CUV especially with just one glance at the window sticker on the lot that says “wagon”. You are trying to use a weak argument of semantics because you have nothing else. Fact is that if the Bolt tech had gone into an Equinox (for example), sales would have been higher. Everyone else but you sees that. Maybe it’s just denial or your simple hate of everything EV but it doesn’t change those facts. 

 

And you have the nerve to call anyone else here a “troll”. LMAO! 

Edited April 26, 2019 by surreal1272

[surreal1272]

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

That has nothing to do with it being a car vs CUV. 

I think there being this kind of debate over it being a car or a CUV is EXACTLY what the rest of us have been saying. It's styling is of a hybrid car/cuv. It's ugly for that reason, imo. It doesn't look car enough to be a car and it doesn't look CUV enough to be a CUV. It's just an ugly middle ground. 

Not disagreeing with your assessment. It’s more about how it was being marketed and sold. One mention in a order guide that most people don’t use doesn’t change the fact that it was never marketed as a CUV. GM flubbed the marketing completely, whether it be because of the design (which is a valid complaint for most folks), the price, or any other number of reasons. None of this changes what I have brought up to the resident anti-EV troll. 

 

When looking for a crossover or SUV on Chevrolet.com, here are your options. Funny how there is no Bolt on there. 

 

Edited April 26, 2019 by surreal1272

[surreal1272]

15 hours ago, dfelt said:

So that is a dealer access order guide then only? I have never seen anything like this before, guess for rating of EPA, they list it CUV, but public knows better as a hatchback? 🤷‍♂️

I have to say that Cadillac has nailed the LOVELY Burgundy Wine Color on the CT5. This really makes it attractive.

The EPAs own website (and a side by side comparison with the EV SUV Tesla Model X). Notice the size classifications

 

[frogger]

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I think it is the side shot of the CT5 that bothers me the most. It looks like it doesn't have enough trunk.

Based on the specs, it might have the smallest trunk out of any new sedan in the NA market.  To get smaller you might have to get a Camaro or convertible.

 

 

 

 

 

[FAPTurbo]

17 hours ago, ocnblu said:

This person is the (literally) biggest troll on this site.  And he is left unchecked by the powers that be.  This is the first mention of EVs in this thread... and I could list untold numbers of other threads where EV's are brought up inappropriately by him.  And do not get me started on his myriad political posts that go completely unchecked in inappropriate places.

Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

=[

[Drew Dowdell]

anyway.... back to the CT5

[ccap41]

42 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

When looking for a crossover or SUV on Chevrolet.com, here are your options. Funny how there is no Bolt on there. 

When you look at "cars" what is listed there? It isn't the Bolt either.. 

You just two keep reinforcing that this is a mix match of neither true car nor CUV...

8 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

anyway.... back to the CT5

I'm interested to see this thing with the 3.0TT. Nearly diesel-like hp/tq ratio. 

[Robert Hall]

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Exactly why I feel the coupe things is so over done. 4 door sedans need a proper trunk look and not the jellybean with no trunk look.

The fastback roofline and short trunk is supposedly for aerodynamics...or it's part of a vast product marketing conspiracy to minimize trunk size and get more people into CUVs/SUVs...

Edited April 26, 2019 by Robert Hall

[surreal1272]

42 minutes ago, frogger said:

Based on the specs, it might have the smallest trunk out of any new sedan in the NA market.  To get smaller you might have to get a Camaro or convertible.

 

 

 

 

 

I think that’s my main problem with the CT5 as well. The short deck lid makes it look like the back end was cut off (especially when viewing the profile). The front end is spot on and I dig it 100% but it kind of falls off when you reach the back. 

[ccap41]

This is how you do the coupe styling on a sedan. 

[surreal1272]

4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

This is how you do the coupe styling on a sedan. 

While the coupe style has been a mixed bag for me, I have always liked the CLS. Don’t know why but it pulls off the coupe look nicely. The one driven in “Ray Donovan” is super nice. 

 

Edited April 26, 2019 by surreal1272

[Robert Hall]

The first CLS is still one of the sexiest sedans ever, IMO...love that shape..and 2nd gen is beautiful also..the 3rd gen looks great also...It doesn't look good in some colors like the stupid matte colors or so-predictable and beyond lame white w/ black wheels (can the damn white w/ black wheels fad please end??) but in brown is stunning. I love the arched roofline and low windows of all 3 windows.

 

Edited April 26, 2019 by Robert Hall

[Drew Dowdell]

16 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I'm interested to see this thing with the 3.0TT. Nearly diesel-like hp/tq ratio. 

I'm wondering what they did to drop the HP that much. If it lowers when the torque comes on and fattens the torque curve, I'm all for it.  I was very pleased with the 400/400 in the CT6. 

[surreal1272]

21 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

When you look at "cars" what is listed there? It isn't the Bolt either.. 

You just two keep reinforcing that this is a mix match of neither true car nor CUV...

I'm interested to see this thing with the 3.0TT. Nearly diesel-like hp/tq ratio. 

It was meant as tongue in cheek ccap. I have already stated that going to the Bolt page shows that it is referred to as a “car” and not an “SUV” or “CUV”. Going to the Trax page refers to it as an SUV. 

[ccap41]

11 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

While the coupe style has been a mixed bag for me, I have always liked the CLS. Don’t know why but it pulls off the coupe look nicely. The one driven in “Ray Donovan” is super nice. 

 

There aren't a whole lot of vehicles where I prefer the older generations but the CLS looks best in its first generation, then second and the newest seems to be less CLS-like to me. ..I think there are only three generations..lol 

8 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I'm wondering what they did to drop the HP that much. If it lowers when the torque comes on and fattens the torque curve, I'm all for it.  I was very pleased with the 400/400 in the CT6. 

I don't know a whole lot about the technical stuff but I would assume they lowered and fattened the torque curve as well along with reduced lag. 

It's probably a blast to daily drive with those numbers. 

[Robert Hall]

One other car that I thought pulls off the 4dr coupe look well is the BMW 6 series Gran Coupe, esp. in M6 trim.   Sleeker than the 5 series.

[surreal1272]

11 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

There aren't a whole lot of vehicles where I prefer the older generations but the CLS looks best in its first generation, then second and the newest seems to be less CLS-like to me. ..I think there are only three generations..lol 

I don't know a whole lot about the technical stuff but I would assume they lowered and fattened the torque curve as well along with reduced lag. 

It's probably a blast to daily drive with those numbers. 

I can agree with that. The 1st gen is probably the looking one overall but I like the nose (especially the headlamp design) of the 2nd gen better than the 1st. You can pick up a 1st gen at a pretty decent price and I’d be curious to have one if it weren’t for the ever so high maintenance costs of them. 

[David]

48 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

anyway.... back to the CT5

I am really interested in the new Nav system and how it responds, review comparisons to the German and Asians. Should be interesting along with the thoughts on the interior room and material quality.

They should have made the CT5 a true 4 door sedan and then shocked everyone by showing off a true coupe like this.

Or at least if not using that cool name called it an Eldorado.

[Drew Dowdell]

2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I am really interested in the new Nav system and how it responds, review comparisons to the German and Asians. Should be interesting along with the thoughts on the interior room and material quality.

They should have made the CT5 a true 4 door sedan and then shocked everyone by showing off a true coupe like this.

Or at least if not using that cool name called it an Eldorado.

Aside from a few screens that say Cadillac. It is pretty much identical to the system in the GMC terrain, except there is also a control knob you can use instead of a touch screen. Touch screen is still there, but you have options.

If you want to play with it, just visit any GMC dealer.

[David]

Lets just hope Cadillac NEVER does this Ugly Mess again from the late 70's to early 80's of the Cadillac Seville Uglies:

[frogger]

33 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

I think that’s my main problem with the CT5 as well. The short deck lid makes it look like the back end was cut off (especially when viewing the profile). The front end is spot on and I dig it 100% but it kind of falls off when you reach the back. 

I feel like if the trunk wasn't hot wheels sized and was more proportional to the rest of the car it might end up nearly as long as a CT6, but then I much prefer the CT6 style, probably the best A&S design to me (and the last?).

As far as "coupe" style sedans, the CLS was always nice to me but in current times I prefer a real coupe like the E400.

 

 

 

 

 

[Drew Dowdell]

8 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Lets just hope Cadillac NEVER does this Ugly Mess again from the late 70's to early 80's of the Cadillac Seville Uglies:

 

That is one of the best looking luxury cars of the 1980s! Few, if any, have that kind of gravitas.

[balthazar]

Original 'coupe-sedan' ? 

[Drew Dowdell]

9 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Original 'coupe-sedan' ? 

Nope. Go back 2 more years.

[surreal1272]

1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

I can agree with that. The 1st gen is probably the looking one overall but I like the nose (especially the headlamp design) of the 2nd gen better than the 1st. You can pick up a 1st gen at a pretty decent price and I’d be curious to have one if it weren’t for the ever so high maintenance costs of them. 

The *better* looking one... (is what that should say). 

32 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Nope. Go back 2 more years.

The Aurora was a sharp looking ride back in the day. 

[Robert Hall]

That '96 Taurus was dreadful..Ford wanted to make everything an oval..

[ccap41]

2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

One other car that I thought pulls off the 4dr coupe look well is the BMW 6 series Gran Coupe, esp. in M6 trim.   Sleeker than the 5 series.

It doesn't do it for me like the CLS has. The only other one to pull it off, IMO, is the Audi 7's. 

2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

I can agree with that. The 1st gen is probably the looking one overall but I like the nose (especially the headlamp design) of the 2nd gen better than the 1st. You can pick up a 1st gen at a pretty decent price and I’d be curious to have one if it weren’t for the ever so high maintenance costs of them. 

Completely agree. I actually just looked at Autotrader for them to see what they cost and you're still spending the better part of 20k for a pretty high mileage German car.. Not a situation I would like to be in for that amount of cash. 

[balthazar]

Original (and only) 4-door coupe- the floral coach coupe ~ 

[surreal1272]

6 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

It doesn't do it for me like the CLS has. The only other one to pull it off, IMO, is the Audi 7's. 

Completely agree. I actually just looked at Autotrader for them to see what they cost and you're still spending the better part of 20k for a pretty high mileage German car.. Not a situation I would like to be in for that amount of cash. 

Now it does depend on the year with those. Here, the 1st gen models go up to $15K (until you get to 2011) and those tend to be the 550/AMG varieties. The mileage is a killer though because you know that after 100K, German cars start forcing themselves into your bank account with your money screaming “#METOO”! Very much unwanted for most folks. 

6 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Original (and only) 4-door coupe- the floral coach coupe ~ 

Nice and rare. 

[ccap41]

8 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Now it does depend on the year with those. Here, the 1st gen models go up to $15K (until you get to 2011) and those tend to be the 550/AMG varieties. The mileage is a killer though because you know that after 100K, German cars start forcing themselves into your bank account with your money screaming “#METOO”! Very much unwanted for most folks. 

LOL So. Damn. True.