First Impressions: 2020 Cadillac CT5: Comments

[David]

5 hours ago, ccap41 said:

There are solid state batteries ready for the market? Who's using them first? What're they going in?

As I have published earlier in the alternative fuel channel, Toshiba goes into production with their solid state batteries this spring, Mitsubishi and Nissan are the first auto companies that are going to use them in their EVs. 

Two battery pack options, 198 mile pack that charges fully in 6 min and 396 mile pack that charges in 12 min. Toshiba is leading the charge here and then there is Samsung who as @Drew Dowdell suggested has stated they will have solid state batteries out later this year but no product mentioned. I suspect in the Note 10, Samsung has also been totally quiet about the battery that is in the Samsung Fold but many think it is a solid state battery.

Benefits of solid state batteries is half the size of traditional Lithium Ion batteries with 4 times more charge. So making phones liter makes sense, but for a phone like the note, I can also see much longer charge times.

Since the time I have posted my original story about the Scib batteries, toshiba has both hybrid lithium ion and solid state going into production this year.

This was the update I posted about the drop of cobalt from them last year.

Since then Samsung has made announcements, Dyson, and many others. 2019 / 2020 seems to be the year we start seeing Solid state batteries just as EVs start being rolled out.

[frogger]

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

What kind of improvement in phone batteries will that bring? Could it take my one charge per day(overnight) to one charge per two days? That would be pretty amazing. 

Since I got my XR, I have only used my phone so much throughout a single day that I felt the need to charge it before bed once. It will easily last 24hrs before getting under 20%. I stretched it to 28hrs once to see about how long it'll go on a charge and I think that was around 5% battery remaining. 

I'm going to assume they will improve battery life if they can do it cheaply enough with the new solid state stuff. I went from max 3.5hrs screen time over two days to around 6hrs comfortably (I don't game on phone) over two days when I upgraded to my current phone and I expect now with 2019 flagship phones going to 7nm SoC's battery life has improved even more.

 

 

[ocnblu]

3 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

I want you pay special close attention to the first paragraph describing the Bolt on CHEVY’s own page. Nowhere does it say CUV but it sure does mention the word “car” a lot. And no one is crying but you because you’re the only one here who gets their underwear in a knot over any positive attention directed at EVs. We get it. You hate them so maybe staying out of the conversation and not trolling at every EV turn would be better here. 

 

 

[surreal1272]

19 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

 

Site your source there. Here’s mine. 

https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev-electric-car

 

oh and if you are still not convinced here, please come to Sands Chevrolet in Glendale, AZ (where I used to work) and tell them it’s CUV. That’ll be a good laugh. It can’t even be considered a CUV when it is FWD only. That makes it a tall wagon. 

Edited April 25, 2019 by surreal1272

[ocnblu]

You cannot read the screenshot?  Am I in the twilight zone?  Soooo surreal.  IT READS:   2019 ONLINE ORDER/REFERENCE GUIDE.

[surreal1272]

4 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

You cannot read the screenshot?  Am I in the twilight zone?  Soooo surreal.  IT READS:   2019 ONLINE ORDER/REFERENCE GUIDE.

Again, provide a link. It’s that simple. 

 

Edit:Nevermind. I found it. One reference guide, even one from GM does not change the fact that the Bolts own page (Chevrolet.com) is under only “electric vehicles” and not “SUVs” and going here makes no mention of what it is other than “car”. Call it that all you want but no one in their right minds here would call that a CUV

Edited April 25, 2019 by surreal1272

[ocnblu]

I really ain't got time for this crap.  HERE is your damn link, foo

https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NASApp/domestic/vehiclesel.jsp?year=2019&regionID=1&divisionID=1

[surreal1272]

2 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

I really ain't got time for this crap.  HERE is your damn link, foo

https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NASApp/domestic/vehiclesel.jsp?year=2019&regionID=1&divisionID=1

Settle down there junior. You clearly had time for it or you wouldn’t be here. Here’s some more evidence. Now you will the first two images saying everything but CUV. The third is for the Trax CUV, from Chevys own page. The first paragraph states that it is an “SUV”, much how the Bolts own page states that is a “car”.

 

Understand the difference yet?

 

[ocnblu]

15 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

oh and if you are still not convinced here, please come to Sands Chevrolet in Glendale, AZ (where I used to work) and tell them it’s CUV. That’ll be a good laugh. It can’t even be considered a CUV when it is FWD only. That makes it a tall wagon.

LOL salesmen know NOTHING about the product... what a simple comment.

[surreal1272]

Now, I’m done with this @ocnblu because it has gotten sidetracked here. Go on believing that you aren’t doing anything else here other than trolling and crying about EVs but this is about the CT5 and I think it needs to get back to that. 

1 minute ago, ocnblu said:

LOL salesmen know NOTHING about the product... what a simple comment.

That’s all you got? 

 

Point proven. 

[ocnblu]

From Wikipedia:  The EPA classifies the Bolt as "small station wagon", with less than 130 cu ft of interior volume.^[1][36] GM refers to the Bolt as a crossover.^[37]

Edited April 25, 2019 by ocnblu

[surreal1272]

3 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

From Wikipedia:  The EPA classifies the Bolt as "small station wagon", with less than 130 cu ft of interior volume.^[1][36] GM refers to the Bolt as a crossover.^[37]

Quoting wiki now? Yeah, that’s reliable. Talk about a simple statement lol. Your desperation is starting to show. 

 

Now about that CT5, the one GM says is a “3 series and C Class competitor” despite the near ten inches more in length (see where this is going yet ocnblu?), will this really mean that there will not be a smaller model underneath it, i.e. a CT4? There still seems to be some confusion about that. 

[ocnblu]

On 4/23/2019 at 9:27 AM, dfelt said:

Then pour the rest of the money into the CUV / SUV lineup and focus on EVs.

This person is the (literally) biggest troll on this site.  And he is left unchecked by the powers that be.  This is the first mention of EVs in this thread... and I could list untold numbers of other threads where EV's are brought up inappropriately by him.  And do not get me started on his myriad political posts that go completely unchecked in inappropriate places.

Just now, surreal1272 said:

Quoting wiki now? Yeah, that’s reliable

You don't have to believe wiki... but there is a link shown where you can go to GM material and see for yourself.

[David]

2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

 

So that is a dealer access order guide then only? I have never seen anything like this before, guess for rating of EPA, they list it CUV, but public knows better as a hatchback? 🤷‍♂️

I have to say that Cadillac has nailed the LOVELY Burgundy Wine Color on the CT5. This really makes it attractive.

[ccap41]

14 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

. It can’t even be considered a CUV when it is FWD only.

That has nothing to do with it being a car vs CUV. 

I think there being this kind of debate over it being a car or a CUV is EXACTLY what the rest of us have been saying. It's styling is of a hybrid car/cuv. It's ugly for that reason, imo. It doesn't look car enough to be a car and it doesn't look CUV enough to be a CUV. It's just an ugly middle ground. 

[ccap41]

13 hours ago, dfelt said:

I have to say that Cadillac has nailed the LOVELY Burgundy Wine Color on the CT5. This really makes it attractive.

That color is amazing. I've been into dark "colors" a lot lately. Dark reds/blues/greens are towards the top of my lists right now. 

[Robert Hall]

49 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

That has nothing to do with it being a car vs CUV. 

I think there being this kind of debate over it being a car or a CUV is EXACTLY what the rest of us have been saying. It's styling is of a hybrid car/cuv. It's ugly for that reason, imo. It doesn't look car enough to be a car and it doesn't look CUV enough to be a CUV. It's just an ugly middle ground. 

The Bolt is a one-box monospace.  Tall hatchback.  Car?  CUV?  Transport pod?   It's something...

[Drew Dowdell]

I think it is the side shot of the CT5 that bothers me the most. It looks like it doesn't have enough trunk.

[ccap41]

4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I think it is the side shot of the CT5 that bothers me the most. It looks like it doesn't have enough trunk.

YES. It has that coupe-like look to it but the proportions are just slightly off on the rear.

[David]

43 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I think it is the side shot of the CT5 that bothers me the most. It looks like it doesn't have enough trunk.

Exactly why I feel the coupe things is so over done. 4 door sedans need a proper trunk look and not the jellybean with no trunk look.

[surreal1272]

16 hours ago, ocnblu said:

This person is the (literally) biggest troll on this site.  And he is left unchecked by the powers that be.  This is the first mention of EVs in this thread... and I could list untold numbers of other threads where EV's are brought up inappropriately by him.  And do not get me started on his myriad political posts that go completely unchecked in inappropriate places.

You don't have to believe wiki... but there is a link shown where you can go to GM material and see for yourself.

I don’t think you understand the definition of the word “troll”. Also, I don’t give a damn what the order guide says. Most customers don’t go there and don’t even know about them unless they deal with fleet sales. When you go to Chevrolet.com to build one (or just research it), you will find not ONE mention of it as being a CUV. No salesman has ever sold the Bolt as a CUV and no one has ever confused as a CUV especially with just one glance at the window sticker on the lot that says “wagon”. You are trying to use a weak argument of semantics because you have nothing else. Fact is that if the Bolt tech had gone into an Equinox (for example), sales would have been higher. Everyone else but you sees that. Maybe it’s just denial or your simple hate of everything EV but it doesn’t change those facts. 

 

And you have the nerve to call anyone else here a “troll”. LMAO! 

Edited April 26, 2019 by surreal1272

[surreal1272]

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

That has nothing to do with it being a car vs CUV. 

I think there being this kind of debate over it being a car or a CUV is EXACTLY what the rest of us have been saying. It's styling is of a hybrid car/cuv. It's ugly for that reason, imo. It doesn't look car enough to be a car and it doesn't look CUV enough to be a CUV. It's just an ugly middle ground. 

Not disagreeing with your assessment. It’s more about how it was being marketed and sold. One mention in a order guide that most people don’t use doesn’t change the fact that it was never marketed as a CUV. GM flubbed the marketing completely, whether it be because of the design (which is a valid complaint for most folks), the price, or any other number of reasons. None of this changes what I have brought up to the resident anti-EV troll. 

 

When looking for a crossover or SUV on Chevrolet.com, here are your options. Funny how there is no Bolt on there. 

 

Edited April 26, 2019 by surreal1272

[surreal1272]

15 hours ago, dfelt said:

So that is a dealer access order guide then only? I have never seen anything like this before, guess for rating of EPA, they list it CUV, but public knows better as a hatchback? 🤷‍♂️

I have to say that Cadillac has nailed the LOVELY Burgundy Wine Color on the CT5. This really makes it attractive.

The EPAs own website (and a side by side comparison with the EV SUV Tesla Model X). Notice the size classifications

 

[frogger]

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I think it is the side shot of the CT5 that bothers me the most. It looks like it doesn't have enough trunk.

Based on the specs, it might have the smallest trunk out of any new sedan in the NA market.  To get smaller you might have to get a Camaro or convertible.

 

 

 

 

 

[FAPTurbo]

17 hours ago, ocnblu said:

This person is the (literally) biggest troll on this site.  And he is left unchecked by the powers that be.  This is the first mention of EVs in this thread... and I could list untold numbers of other threads where EV's are brought up inappropriately by him.  And do not get me started on his myriad political posts that go completely unchecked in inappropriate places.

Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

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