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[oldshurst442]

Yes.  Unbelievably hot indeed. To this day. 

[David]

Yamaha has moved beyond Electric motors for small sub subcompact auto's and Motorbikes. They have released their first 150kW motor for use in full size auto's.

Have to say they have built a very good looking future motor.

This is expected to be used in an AWD configuration, one in front and one in back. Each motor is equal to 201.15 HP, so an AWD auto would have 402.3 HP. Instant Torque, though they do not mention how much. Considering the torque that is being brought from Zero, I would expect these motors to be equal to if not double or triple the HP numbers. Having looked at multiple math sites, it would seem that one motor unit would have 1000lb ft of torque from zero, so 2000 lb ft of torque for an AWD setup.

Yamaha has also now stated they have a 200 kW motor in the same housing which is equal to 268.2 HP or 536.4 HP in AWD. As available crate motors it will be interesting to see who uses the motors first. Interesting that they are using an Alfa Romeo 4C. Makes one wonder if FCA / Stellinous is going to use them in an EV option. Using the math calculators online, it would seem 1400 lb-ft of torque for the 270HP unit, or 2800 lb-ft of torque in AWD. 

Talk about crushing performance.

More info at the link below.

https://global.yamaha-motor.com/business/e-motor/

https://electrek.co/2020/08/03/yamaha-extremely-compact-electric-motors-electric-motorcycles-cars/#more-143086

Volvo over the last couple years has been doing proto type testing of Electric heavy duty trucks in Southern California. Starting in 2021, leasing will begin on these electric trucks for delivery use around southern California.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/volvo-trucks-pilots-vnr-electric-truck-at-california-dealership/

[A Horse With No Name]

21 hours ago, balthazar said:

Unbelievably hot.

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Lordstown Endurance is priced $15 grand too high, and towing is about 2 tons short.

And I am unconvinced the group building it has the moxy to keep production going. Methinks Ohio would have been better off flattening the building. 

14 hours ago, David said:

Yamaha has moved beyond Electric motors for small sub subcompact auto's and Motorbikes. They have released their first 150kW motor for use in full size auto's.

Have to say they have built a very good looking future motor.

This is expected to be used in an AWD configuration, one in front and one in back. Each motor is equal to 201.15 HP, so an AWD auto would have 402.3 HP. Instant Torque, though they do not mention how much. Considering the torque that is being brought from Zero, I would expect these motors to be equal to if not double or triple the HP numbers. Having looked at multiple math sites, it would seem that one motor unit would have 1000lb ft of torque from zero, so 2000 lb ft of torque for an AWD setup.

Yamaha has also now stated they have a 200 kW motor in the same housing which is equal to 268.2 HP or 536.4 HP in AWD. As available crate motors it will be interesting to see who uses the motors first. Interesting that they are using an Alfa Romeo 4C. Makes one wonder if FCA / Stellinous is going to use them in an EV option. Using the math calculators online, it would seem 1400 lb-ft of torque for the 270HP unit, or 2800 lb-ft of torque in AWD. 

Talk about crushing performance.

More info at the link below.

https://global.yamaha-motor.com/business/e-motor/

https://electrek.co/2020/08/03/yamaha-extremely-compact-electric-motors-electric-motorcycles-cars/#more-143086

Volvo over the last couple years has been doing proto type testing of Electric heavy duty trucks in Southern California. Starting in 2021, leasing will begin on these electric trucks for delivery use around southern California.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/volvo-trucks-pilots-vnr-electric-truck-at-california-dealership/

Once companies realize how much they can save on fuel, I can see short haul trucks becoming largely electric. 

19 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Yes.  Unbelievably hot indeed. To this day. 

These posts of fine ladies keep me coming back...

 

My comment about blu and David made me think of this video, funny to watch. 

[David]

According to the Detroit Free Press, GM has moved ahead with a $75 million investment in Lordstown Motors EV auto company. This is a $25 million cash and $50 million non-cash investment of plant and equipment of what was owed to GM for the plant. 

This allows Lordstown Motors to move forward with a IPO offer that "I Believe GM can cash in on."

Lordstown Motors in their IPO paperwork is showing presales of 27,000 trucks so far and what will be a use of GM / LG Battery packs for their trucks if I am reading the vague details right.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2020/08/03/gm-invest-ev-maker-lordstown-motors/5571007002/

[ccap41]

On 7/30/2020 at 4:57 PM, David said:

Top Speed (software Governed): 80 mph 

What the sht is this? If this is accurate, it is an absolute fail of a vehicle already. 

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

What the sht is this? If this is accurate, it is an absolute fail of a vehicle already. 

Quite possibly, yes....

1 hour ago, David said:

According to the Detroit Free Press, GM has moved ahead with a $75 million investment in Lordstown Motors EV auto company. This is a $25 million cash and $50 million non-cash investment of plant and equipment of what was owed to GM for the plant. 

This allows Lordstown Motors to move forward with a IPO offer that "I Believe GM can cash in on."

Lordstown Motors in their IPO paperwork is showing presales of 27,000 trucks so far and what will be a use of GM / LG Battery packs for their trucks if I am reading the vague details right.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2020/08/03/gm-invest-ev-maker-lordstown-motors/5571007002/

That is a lot of trucks for a small auto maker. 

[balthazar]

It's BIZZARE when a business invests heavily in their competition (unless it's a business partnership and hardware / development is being exchanged).

[David]

Freightliner's Battery Powered Semi Trucks have logged over 300,000 miles of Real World Use and aim for 1 million miles as the medium and heavy duty trucks go into production in Mid 2022. 

Heavy duty truck has 730 HP and 230 mile battery pack. Medium Duty truck has 480 HP and a 184 mile range.

Future is EVs as we move towards them, city air will improve as will the quality of life for people.

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/35305/freightliners-battery-powered-semi-trucks-have-logged-over-300000-miles-in-the-real-world

[David]

The Current Pandemic has really hit the ride share industry hard. Be it bicycles, scooters, auto's, etc. The last thing people are thinking of is sharing something that someone else just used and could have virus on it.

https://unagiscooters.com/pages/unagi-all-access-scooter-subscription?show_sub_signup=1

Such is the way that Unagi is thinking outside the box by going with a subscription service for their sexy Magnesium / carbon fiber AWD scooters. Rather than paying the $1,000 plus price for these electric scooters, you can now have a monthly subscription and have your own private scooter to get you around. Initial $50 account setup with a monthly $39 a month or if you pay annually the cost drops to $34 a month. The scooter will show up within 24hrs at your door. Insurance is included in the subscription cost that covers being stolen or damaged and all you pay is an $85 deductible.

 

 

https://electrek.co/2020/08/05/unagi-all-access-electric-scooter-subscription-service/

[balthazar]

At $456/yr, assuming you’d have the need to rent one for a year, you could buy/own it for 2 years of rent payments, esp if you’re concerned about getting a virus from a scooter. Only question is, how long is the battery pack’s life?

[David]

50 minutes ago, balthazar said:

At $456/yr, assuming you’d have the need to rent one for a year, you could buy/own it for 2 years of rent payments, esp if you’re concerned about getting a virus from a scooter. Only question is, how long is the battery pack’s life?

Seems you get 15.5 miles of ride before you need to recharge. https://unagiscooters.com/pages/specifications

E250 is RWD and the E500 is AWD.

[Robert Hall]

The scooter is hilarious..couldn't imagine using something like that..would have to be in a totally different reality context...maybe if I were still 25 and fit living in a crowded, flat city.     But a 5000lb SUV is still my favorite urban commuter vehicle. 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Robert Hall

[David]

2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

The scooter is hilarious..couldn't imagine using something like that..would have to be in a totally different reality context...maybe if I were still 25 and fit living in a crowded, flat city.     But a 5000lb SUV is still my favorite urban commuter vehicle. 

I totally agree, I think this is more inline with Millennials than us X generation.  

[Robert Hall]

3 hours ago, David said:

I totally agree, I think this is more inline with Millennials than us X generation.  

I was thinking about what I was doing at age 25...I was in grad school at the U of Michigan...walking all over the campus... lots of hills in Ann Arbor.  Something like that might have been fun there then... had an SUV then, but a much smaller one with a manual ('88 Bronco II), and my '87 Mustang GT, also a manual..was another 5 years before I got my first automatic--my '00 Grand Cherokee. 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Robert Hall

[balthazar]

When I was 25 I owned a '64 GP, my '59 Invicta (plus a '59 Electra parts car), a '73 Dodger Charger Rallye, a '65 Catalina 2-dr sedan, and my daily driver; a '64 Catalina. :D

[David]

6 minutes ago, balthazar said:

When I was 25 I owned a '64 GP, my '59 Invicta (plus a '59 Electra parts car), a '73 Dodger Charger Rallye, a '65 Catalina 2-dr sedan, and my daily driver; a '64 Catalina.

Awesome collection, if only that could be true today. Sadly, costs are keeping many youth from owning an auto.

[balthazar]

That affordability curve over the last 15 years looks a lot like the COVID19 infection curve for 2020.

[oldshurst442]

When I was 25 years old...I owned a 1999 Olds Alero,  a percentage of my dad's  1994 Pontiac Grand Am and if I am to try to compete quantity wise with Balthy, I will lie and  say that I STILL owned my 1985 Olds Delta 88

Hmmmm....

 

 

versus

 

Tough to figure out what Id rather...

 I think imma gonna go with Balthy's  stable instead of mine.  

 

Edited August 5, 2020 by oldshurst442

[balthazar]

Very close on the pics, too. B-59 was closer to the 2nd one (& was white), the GP and Cat are spot on (configuration & colors), Charger was black w/ black graphics, but the ‘65 was a worn, plain, dark blue post coupe. 
 

I forgot one : also had a ‘64 Merc Marauder 2-dr fastback w a 4bbl 390.

[David]

Update on EV stuff going on.

California Zero Labs has continued to expand from custom work which they still do to also offering two specific quality off road auto's. Converted Ford Bronco's and Land Rover's.

Pricing is NOT for the Faint of Heart! Luxury EV's with Range and off road capable for the Rich.

https://www.zerolabs.com/

[David]

Daimler has deepend their ties with CATL alliance as they focus on building fast-charging EV batteries with 400 plus range and what they say is to Lead in battery technologies globally. Daimler say the goal is to give an average of 435 miles or 700 Kilometers to an EV auto on average.

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/08/05/daimler-catl-long-range-electric-car-batteries/

Due to the lead that Rivian has in EV Truck production, VW is watching and keeping an Eye on Rivian as it considers a Global EV Truck for the company. VW has also stated that the Scirocco is retired after it's third time in production and there is no rush or interest in releasing another 2 door coupe either in EV or ICE format. The era of the car is coming to a close, expect the future to be about trucks, CUV/SUV and specialty activity auto's.

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/08/04/vw-electric-cars-pickup-ev-meb-platform/

[ocnblu]

9 hours ago, David said:

sexy

Not in ONE MILLION YERRS

[balthazar]

David has chronic 'EVSS' (electric vehicle stockholm syndrome).

Land Rover above has always been a F'ing ugly shit box, and the Bronco is only marginally better.
Changing the 'dirty bits' [™ RobertHall] and quintupling the price is a ridiculous approach. BK in 2 yrs.

[Robert Hall]

Those Kandi cars are being launched in Texas.  Think about it...a place known for long distances and huge trucks.  Not the ideal market for microcars w/ limited range, I think...

 

 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Robert Hall

[balthazar]

Has the 'Kandi Kerfluffle' actually secured legal/tested approval to sell in the US???

Most of the OEM-sourced releases are sopping with blurred terminology; where 'goes on sale Jan 1' leaves off the tiny technicality of 'pending US Government approval'.

[Robert Hall]

Just now, balthazar said:

Has the 'Kandi Kerfluffle' actually secured legal/tested approval to sell in the US???

Most of the OEM-sourced releases are sopping with blurred terminology; where 'goes on sale Jan 1' leaves off the tiny technicality of 'pending US Government approval'.

details, details... I'm sure some suckers have put down deposits on them...

[balthazar]

It certainly happens that people put deposits down on things that remain perpetually illegal. The occurence has no effect on the legalization aspect of the given scenario.

[Robert Hall]

1 minute ago, balthazar said:

It certainly happens that people put deposits down on things that remain perpetually illegal. The occurence has no effect on the legalization aspect of the given scenario.

Yeah, or perpetually not produced otherwise..I know a guy that put a deposit on an Elio which has never materialized. 

A former coworker that had a Volt and a Bolt put a deposit on a Model 3, and after a couple years hates it so much he's now got a deposit on a Mustang Mach E.. we'll see how that goes.

[balthazar]

Multiply the three numbers below by a factor of 10, and you have the 'electrify a vintage vehicle' fiscal picture.  😆

[A Horse With No Name]

18 hours ago, balthazar said:

It certainly happens that people put deposits down on things that remain perpetually illegal. The occurence has no effect on the legalization aspect of the given scenario.

Yeah....look at all of the airlines that wanted to buy the Boeing 737 MAX. Ask them how THAT one worked out. Sadly. 

18 hours ago, balthazar said:

Multiply the three numbers below by a factor of 10, and you have the 'electrify a vintage vehicle' fiscal picture.  😆

Damn near anything with a vintage vehicle. I don't play with cars or race them to make a profit. 

18 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Yeah, or perpetually not produced otherwise..I know a guy that put a deposit on an Elio which has never materialized. 

A former coworker that had a Volt and a Bolt put a deposit on a Model 3, and after a couple years hates it so much he's now got a deposit on a Mustang Mach E.. we'll see how that goes.

I am more a fan of letting everyone else be the Beta testers for new products. 

[Robert Hall]

3 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Yeah....look at all of the airlines that wanted to buy the Boeing 737 MAX. Ask them how THAT one worked out. Sadly. 

Damn near anything with a vintage vehicle. I don't play with cars or race them to make a profit. 

I am more a fan of letting everyone else be the Beta testers for new products. 

Yeah... I don't see myself putting a deposit on anything new or buying the first year of a new model or generation...

[A Horse With No Name]

2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Yeah... I don't see myself putting a deposit on anything new or buying the first year of a new model or generation...

Mentally something just snapped and for wahtever reason I no longer hate Ford. Would like one of the new Bronco's, but that is probably at least three years out with initial demand and teething. 

[Robert Hall]

2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Mentally something just snapped and for wahtever reason I no longer hate Ford. Would like one of the new Bronco's, but that is probably at least three years out with initial demand and teething. 

I definitely want to check out the new Broncos once they are established.  I liked the old Broncos (big and small).   Looking forward to checking out the next Grand Cherokee also. 

[David]

Daimler has entered Phase two of expanded Heavy Duty EV semi truck testing in Germany.

https://www.just-auto.com/news/daimler-starts-second-phase-of-ev-heavy-truck-tests_id197096.aspx

[David]

Seems Biden, a GM Corvette fan might have let slip that a C8 Electric Corvette is being worked on and coming with a 200 plus MPH top speed. Seems the presidential candidate believes that an EV market could revitalize the US Auto industry in ways that have not been accomplished with ICE.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1129154_biden-200-mph-electric-corvette-us-can-own-the-ev-market

[David]

Diesel in Public sector cars will see their death in 2025 as Seoul Korea moves to ban Diesel in all public-sector autos. What this specifically means is that all cars, vans and mass transit fleets will have to retire to the junk yard for recycling all Diesel auto's. This will help Seoul accelerate their transition to green mobility.

Seoul public sector auto fleet that consists of taxis, buses, government transit auto's makes up 64.6% of the on road auto's. This means that their "No Diesel" initiative to clean up the air for their citizens will require 3,586 auto's to be replaced by electric and or hydrogen version auto's.

Seoul Korea is working with carmakers on development of Fire trucks, Ambulances, cleaning vehicles, garbage trucks, etc. to finish replacing the last of the public sector auto's that make up the current total fleet of 1,567 auto's in Seoul. In all they are looking to replace 5,153 public sector diesel auto's. Seoul is also introducing 4,000 additional electric and hydrogen buses by 2025 in expanding the fleet to help reduce private auto's on the road and speed up moving people around.

The government says they are on track to have 30% of the diesel buses replaced with e-buses by the start of 2023. They are also increasing public awareness via various campaigns on the benefits to the publics health by replacing diesel with EV / Hydrogen.

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200731007900315

 

[balthazar]

Diesel has never has a significant presence in cars. It's industry penetration is in trucks- always has been, and there it's expanding.

 

[David]

9 hours ago, balthazar said:

Diesel has never has a significant presence in cars. It's industry penetration is in trucks- always has been, and there it's expanding.

 

That might be true here in the US, but in Korea where diesel cars make up the bulk of the actual pedestrian auto's, that is being changed by mandate. Diesel cars starting Dec 1st 2019 were banned from Seoul streets from 6am to 9pm to help clean up the air with this to expand into Gangnam and Yeouido by 2021. This will then expand to include grade 4 vehicles by 2030. Now that is updated based on the original story I posted above on a total ban. Diesel in Korea will go down as the country embraces a required change to EV and Hydrogen. This is the gov mandate.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20191125000881

[Robert Hall]

11 hours ago, balthazar said:

Diesel has never has a significant presence in cars. It's industry penetration is in trucks- always has been, and there it's expanding.

 

Maybe not in the US, but in Europe and Asia they have been huge...in many European countries they have been 50-75% of the market...

[balthazar]

Missed the ‘SK’ descriptor in David’s post.

[ocnblu]

4 hours ago, David said:

embraces a required change

oxymoron

[David]

Seems Korea is now following Japan and China in protecting their starting EV industry as they push via regulations to stop Diesel sales and move the population to EV's.

In the 2nd quarter of this year, $200 million in subsidies was paid out to people to purchase EV's and the bulk of that went to Tesla purchases where Tesla delivered 4,000 EVs with another 4 to 5,000 Model 3's on order. Tesla buyers got 43% of the available EV subsidies in the first half of this year. $176 million worth for both quarters.

The ministry held a meeting with 11 automakers lead by Kia and Hyundai to discuss the issue. End result is that in October luxury auto's those priced above $50,000 will be removed from the approved list. This will be interesting to see how many of the backordered Tesla Model 3 cars are canceled.

It also comes at a time that Hyundai has rebranded their Ioniq car as the Companies EV Brand moving forward. 

Having gone to College in Japan and studied the Asian rim in depth, this is a normal move by the business conglomerates or in Korea what is known as the Chaebol. These conglomerates are all about power and control of their local markets.

https://electrek.co/2020/08/10/tesla-cut-out-korean-ev-incentive/#more-143716

https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/3106

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hyundai-motor-evs/hyundai-expects-new-family-of-ioniq-vehicles-to-drive-global-ev-sales-idUSKCN255103

[David]

Awesome EV conversion on making a true luxury auto even quieter. Seems the owner of Johnny Cash 1970 Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow had 130,000 miles on it and needed a full powertrain replacement.

Many here will hate taking a classic and changing the powertrain, but in this case, I think it makes total sense since your not looking for a roar of a V8 Mustang or Corvette but a totally quiet smooth ride. As such, I think this conversion is awesome for making the auto even better.

The owner purchased a new Tesla Model S as the Donor auto to be used to update this RR Silver Shadow.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/35534/a-classic-rolls-royce-with-a-tesla-swap-makes-perfect-sense

[David]

Audi has announced that the 2021 E-Tron will now start $8,800 lower in price at $66,995. This is not a price cut but an entry level trim level that Audi had previously said was on the way.

You now have 3 Trim packages.

1. Prestige Trim Starting Price - $80,195
2. Premium Plus Starting Price - $75,895
3. Premium Trim Starting Price - $66,995 Adding the Convenience Plus Package takes this price to $70,495. 

I believe they should have just made the Convenience plus package standard as anyone that uses electronics including their smartphone will demand this when you have ICE auto's with the features standard for half the price. 

I get that they can advertise the E-Tron starting at $66,995 but I doubt you will ever find a base bone auto like this on the dealer lots.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1129140_2021-audi-e-tron-suv-gets-8-800-lower-base-price-plus-more-range

 

[balthazar]

Rolls’ are nicely trimmed but otherwise junk, so I’m not sure ‘classic’ applies, but OK.
Another great example of ‘more dollars than smarts’ tho.

[David]

Nikola Corp. has bagged a EV Garbage Truck deal with Republic Services garbage company to develop and build 2,500 electric waste and recycling collection trucks announced today.

Nikola shares jumped 22% in afternoon trading.

The Zero Emission vehicles will have a range of 150 miles and will be integrated into their fleet starting in 2023.

The deal has a expansion clause of an additional 2,500 vehicles  over the life of the agreement.

Republic says these garbage / recycling vehicles will offer quieter operations in neighborhoods, lower maintenance costs and lover emissions over the life of the auto as they move to electrify their fleet and retire out diesel vehicles.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-republic-servs-orders-nikola/nikola-bags-order-to-make-2500-electric-garbage-trucks-for-republic-services-idUSKCN2561MX

[David]

Hyperion CEO and Founding member Angelo Kafantaris believes that there are enough people out there that want to be green but still want an engine tone and the feel of the ICE auto's. As such Hyperion has revealed what they believe will be the ULTIMATE SUPERCAR.

Hyperion XP-1 hydrogen fuel-cell supercar

• 1,016 miles of Range on Hydrogen
• Top speed of 221 mph
• 0-60 mph acceleration of less than 2.2 seconds
• No tailpipe emissions
• Curb weight of less than 2,000 lbs
• Refueled in 5 minutes at public hydrogen stations

This supercar was to be revealed at the 2020 NY Auto Show and was delayed till now for it's Virtual online reveal. Hyperion has stated they currently have a workforce of 200 people working on the auto which is the culmination of 10 years of development, testing and research into the ultimate Hydrogen powertrain. Hyperion was founded in 2011 and is privately funded with it based in Orange, CA. Hyperion makes up 3 core divisions, Hyperion Energy, Hyperion Motors and Hyperion Aerospace.

The extent of the companies online profile is what you will find at their business LinkedIn site and their new online web site.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/hyperion-motors/

http://www.hyperionmotors.com/

Hyperion XP-1 Reveal

Hyperion XP-1

[David]

HOT HATCH ALERT - Seat the auto brand owned by VW has unveiled the production version of their newest hot hatch car, Cupra el-Born. This will be built on the MEB platform. The focus is on sustainability with the el-Born using recycled materials in the interior of the car. 

While the Cupra el-Born has similar specifications to the VW ID.3, it has one thing that VW will not be offering in the ID.3, Dynamic Chassis Control which was developed specifically for the el-Born.

The el-Born features state of the art tech as it uses a Heads-up display with Augmented Reality. It has a range of up to 500 km or 310 miles on it's 82 kWh battery pack. The battery pack can charge 260 km (162 miles) in 30 minutes.

VW's Zwickau EV Factory is where the Cupra el-Born will be produced.

https://www.seat-mediacenter.com/newspage/allnews/cupranewspage/news/news/cuprabrand/2020/CUPRAs-first-all-electric-vehicle-is-born.html

Cupra is SEAT performance line of Auto's including EVs. It appears they are all CUVs.

https://www.seat-mediacenter.com/newspage/press-kits-cupra/CUPRA-Ateca-2020-Dynamic/CUPRA-Ateca-2020.html

[David]

Lucid Motors has now officially BEAT Tesla. Yes that is right, they have an independent certified test done on their Lucid Air Luxury sedan that their solid state battery pack allows the Luxury Lucid Air sedan to have a 517 mile range using the EPA's Multicycle Test Procedure.

This clearly beats Tesla Model S Long Range Plus sedan.

The full details on the Lucid Air are set to be revealed on September 9th with production stated to start 6 months after that.

Lucid Air has superior power electronics, motors and battery packs as they draw on the companies Atieva division, which supplies battery packs for Formula E racing. This stated by their CEO and published in IEEE Spectrum.

The Alum that has left Tesla is who has taken Lucid to new heights.

Personally, Lucid is a far better looking car than Tesla any day.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/advanced-cars/lucid-air-ev-500-miles-on-a-single-charge

https://lucidmotors.com/stories/lucid-air-sets-new-standard-with-517-miles-on-single-charge

[Robert Hall]

^ Since they aren't in production, 'beating Tesla' means nothing at this point.  Interesting design, though.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Robert Hall