Leaderboard

The finer details here doesn't matter. These are ALL low volume cars. The Cruze is at 160,000 units and it is deemed untenable because it is not selling at 350,000 units. The point is that GM needs to figure out how to build a few thousand a year models well and profitably. That is how a luxury brand will operate.

Nooo...the ES is the Avalon/Camry relative. The ES is a FWD/transverse engine model like the Avalon/Camry, the LS is a proper RWD full size sedan.

I was curious so I had to look them up... CT6: 9,669 7 Series: 8,271 S Class: 14,978 A7: 3,852 A8: 1,599 ? Nearly 10,000 units of CT6 isn't bad at all entering a segment the S Class owns and is very established.

100% of the people want 2,581 lb-ft of torque, or at least they should.

Thanks for the update on the last Commander. I still think the name Commander belongs on this NEW Jeep 3-row CUV.

They did (as a coupe- not a hardtop) ~ Also had these (as a 2-dr sedan, not hardtop). They don't work IMO- it's like trying to 'sedan-up' a 2-dr; they're stodgy ~

I'll take a Roadmaster Estate please...

Just got my Pixel 3 XL a week ago. So far loving it. Not as sexy as new Samsungs, but clear of all the extra junk and camera is awesome. I finally can take great pictures of my kids playing sports.

A weird thought, but I always thought it would have been interesting if GM had made a 2dr hardtop with that flat roof and wrap around rear window, as an alternative to the bubble top.

The mistake Cadillac made was the RETARDED strategy of trying to revive a LUXURY BRAND from the bottom up. What's worse, they repeated this failed, illogical, strategy three times and never learned. Let's go back to early-2000s... Cadillac was the purveyor of retiree barges like the Seville and Deville powered by the notoriously unreliable and somewhat underpowered Northstar V8, with a Catera and a re-badged Tahoe thrown in for extra embarrassment. The clientele with Apollo era nostalgia of American luxury were quickly trading in their barges for hospice care and there was no next generation of buyers. GM decided to reboot Caddy as a more "european" and "sporty" brand with the Sigma based CTS powered by an Opel taxi engine and then a Malibu engine. The car was too big to be a 3-series fighter and too small to be a 5-series competitor. The interior with a plastic dash with egg crate HVAC vents was not particularly luxurious and with the exception of the Corvette engined V has no performance to speak of. Its proposition was that it is a cheaper and bigger alternative than a BMW. Whatever octogenarian who still walked into the dealership bought the Devilles and everyone who bought BMWs still bought BMWs. So, that didn't work. It didn't work because a luxury or premium brand is built on PRESTIGE and the CTS gave Caddy no prestige. Round, two, the CTS got a 2nd generation that is larger, heavier, and slower. The FWD barges were put out to pasture as the Hospice set finally dried up. There was again, nothing outstanding, nothing prestigious and nothing to look at except perhaps the supercharged V. The only difference now is that the car now needs a 5-series parking space but does not have 5 series space on the inside. Again, no prestige, nothing superlative and it didn't work. Round, three, Caddy takes a jab at the 3-series with the ATS. The car handled better than a 3-series -- well, better than the bloated F30 anyway. The 2.0T is somewhat coarse, but it is spirited enough. The 3.6 is still a Malibu engine and the V makes rattlingly noises resembling a lose heatshield when revved from the vacuum waste gate system but gave Vette performance. With no flagship the brand still had ZERO prestige and the ATS sold only when discounted. As the charge lead by the entry level ATS faltered, the 3rd Gen CTS -- possibly the best car GM has built ever -- found itself languishing on dealer lots priced out of the reach of the bargain hunters and with no prestige to command asking prices as high as $73K. So that didn't work again. What's common with all three attempts at rebooting the Cadillac brand was that GM started from the bottom with the presumed volume seller -- the cheapest model. Yes, they tried to do it by undercutting the competition. They played around with the size of the car. They played around with the pricing. But, they ALWAYS DID IT WITH AN ENTRY LEVEL CAR. They never understood that Luxury marques are built on prestige. That people didn't buy luxury cars for the magazine reviews, performance numbers or even a specific amenity. They buy luxury cars for the STATUS, RESPECTABILITY AND PRESTIGE driving it brings more than anything else. Think about it will anyone buy a Bentley, Rolls or Range Rover for that matter if they haven't heard much about these brands and the corporate parent tries to reboot them by starting with a blinged up CR-V or Altima? Do you think Tesla would still be in business if they had started not with the Model S, but with some Chevy Bolt like "meh" mobile and tired to work their way up to a luxury electric? I don't think so. Until Caddy can reboot their PRESTIGE, it cannot reboot the brand. GM either doesn't get it, was not willing to part with existing revenue or was simply too broke to do otherwise. All the finances, pain and logistics aside, this is what could have worked for Caddy:- (1) GM end production of ALL Cadiilac vehicles. (2) GM introduces a no excuses $500,000 Caddy -- call it an Auburn or whatever -- with ultimate materials, all machined interior bits, volin grade walnut, Nappa Leather on anything that is not wood or metal, a 1000 hp V12 engine as refined as any lexus, in a car as fast as a Z06. The 13-step, 7 layer paint process is hand polished between applications. The windows are double glazed with both electrochromic dimming and privacy frosting on the inner surfaces, an acoustic liner and is the largest ever pieces of glass to get the Carl Zeiss T* anti-reflective coating. The seat belts are not nylon but real silk interwoven with kevlar. The audio system is unique in that ALL the door panels, head liners and dash surfaces that are not occupied by handles or switch gear have broad swats of Martin-Logan electro-static transducers behind the mesh. Despite the size, power and luxury, the car is quite light with its Aluminum-Lithium and titanium intensive uni-body. Well... you get the picture. A car of superlatives intended to put Rolls and Bentley to shame. (3) Let the world drool on that for a few years. (4) Come back with the Escalade and the Escala for $120K to make the brand available to the average 1 percenter. (5) Once the prestige and image is firmly established, expand down market to the 5 series and X5 competitors, followed by the compacts and crossovers. In short, work your way down!

The rear overhang on the 2-sr sedan doesn't show well in that pic- it's pretty huge and I'd bet within a half inch of the 4-dr. I looked into buying one- a black w/ red interior '61 LeSabre 2-dr sedan but I didn't pull the trigger over the price. blu - They look very good, but the 'bubble top' 2-dr hardtop is infinitely sexier.

The profits go back to Fiat in Italy. Won't touch it.

I do like having more daylight in the evenings w DST. Went down to the lake after work this evening.

and Theresa May's second deal vote just failed in Parliament. Now its either a hard Brexit or another referendum.

It's a highly profitable segment, especially when they can build it on the truck frame. Most of the Dev work there is done.

I think at this point it is true for both platforms. Apple adding stupid emojis and VR emojis and some other crap teenagers can entertain themselves for another 15 minutes. I think they all pretty much running out of useful ideas. I agree, I just want my phone/internet browser/music/navigation/camera work without glitches.

You're both kinda saying the same thing from different perspectives. It is the homogeneity of SUVs (the car for everyone) that makes roadsters less profitable and more likely to be cut from lineups.

3 row SUVs are the station wagons/minivans of today..as long as there are families in the US, there are going to be family wagons of some form.

just keep it simple get get and iphone

I can't find the original post to quote it... but the issue with changing from page to page should be fixed now.

3-Row Grand Cherokee = Traverse/Explorer/Acadia/XT6 3-Row Wagoneer = Tahoe/Expedition/Yukon/Escalade 3-Row Grand Wagoneer = Suburban/Expedition Max/Yukon XL/Escalade ESV What don't you understand? The Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer are going to be made on the Ram 1500 frame.

If the Durango is retired and replaced with a "Jeep" vehicle, it is more proof that FCA's plan all along was to take Dodge out behind the woodshed, and kill it dead. Given their completely nonexistent attempts at broadening Chryslers's model range, that has surely been the plan for Chrysler brand too. Just like Daimler Chrysler, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is pronounced with the "Chrysler" part silent.

Your probably thinking, did I read the teaser right? Did it really say 2,581 lb-ft of torque or 3,500 NM from a 160 horsepower or 120 kW motor with torque vectoring? Yes, Yes you did! GKN Automotive is proud to unveil the world's first battery electric vehicle (BEV) with a two-speed transmission and torque vectoring. GTD19 demonstrator vehicle is built from a Jeep Renegade and is currently in Arjeplog, Sweden undergoing winter testing. To prove the industry-leading standards of efficiency, safety and driving dynamics in this BEV model, GKN choose to go with a FWD version where torque vectoring can provide noticeable benefits than in a rear wheel drive or all-wheel drive platform. To Quote GKN: Why a two-speed gearbox? The setup in the GTD19 is engineered to ensure the shifts are seamless, with minimal loss of power and torque while providing faster acceleration and higher top speed with improved efficiency. What is the top speed you ask? The eTwinsterX allows a top speed of 155 mph or 250 kph. To quote Hannes Prenn, COO of GKN ePowertrain: The all new eTwinster powertrain can be easily adapted and integrated into existing vehicle platform for FWD, RWD or AWD configurations. Twinster torque vectoring delivers swift and smooth acceleration while providing greater lateral control and optimized driving dynamics. GKN has stated their eTwinster system is smaller than many equivalent systems from competitors allowing it to be easily integrated into existing vehicle plate forms as they did with the GTD19 replacing it's ICE powertrain. The small size allowed GKN to install in place of the ICE, the complete solution of electric motor, inverter controls, eAxle along with all required cabling leading to a very thin battery pack underneath the GTD19. GKN system integration allows them to offer the eTwinster powertrain as a readily adaptable solution for all types of auto's from all-wheel drive hypercars to plug-in hybrid luxury SUVs to entry-level city cars. If you have ever been in a Range Rover Evoque Hybrid, then you have already experienced the Twinster system as it can be added to the Hybrid solution with the Twinster unit in the back helping to improve the dynamics and calibration of the auto. This GKN solution will also show up in the Opel Insignia. To quote GKN: Where else will you see this amazing system that was the number one hybrid / electric vehicle system shown at the Geneva Auto show this year is in the BMW M3 Concept, Volvo XC90 demonstrator which will be paired with the T8 Twin Engine Plug-in Hybrids as well as Mercedes-Benz AMB GLA45 prototype. View full article

+1 for the torque. This will be awesome for AWD BEV applications. 160HP per axle?! and 2581 lb-ft of torque?! Sign me up.

Then buy a CT6 Platinum AWD TT V6 and forget the Mercedes S560. MB is rarely a good value anywhere.

The Ram vans are Fiats.

Well, different names in different markets is nothing new for Jeep...the Liberty was called the Cherokee outside NA. Looking back at the slide, I see yet another 3-row...'Low D 3-row' between the next gen Cherokee and Grand Commander...wonder what that will be..another model for China? Maybe 'low' as in a more wagon-like silhouette? Not sure if the US needs a 3 row compact...

Well, how do I know they didn't go back Monday and buy it? Plus, how is a Ram Italian?

WHOA... Willis, what exactly are you talking abote? Both of these are fantastic looking vehicles. I am going on record right nau, letting you know I love that 2-door sedan style. I would use the (period correct) term DELIGHTFUL to describe it!

Reading comprehension counts. Note it says F segment Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer. 2 models. The D-segment 3 row is a 4th model. Cars are a dying niche in NA...SUVs and trucks are the growth niches. No different than what Ford or GM are doing. And there always will be some overlap between the lines, like they have with the Compass and Cherokee now. And of course because of your biases, you conveniently overlook how many CUVs and SUVs Audi, BMW and M-B each have now and will have in 5 years...

Totally makes sense plus western Europe is a mess right now. I think that a big dealership / auto consolidation is coming.

That plan also includes China... and China already gets a 3-row Cherokee called the Grand Commander. Again, the Wagoneer is the SWB full-size. The Grand Wagoneer is the LWB full-size.

The UI on the music apps is sad. I'm part of a family plan with internet strangers to keep the costs down for both Spotify and Tidal , and both apps are kludgy IMO. Maybe that is the price to pay for having so much music available at your fingertips. The other advancement I'm happy about is battery life. Getting 6-8 hours screen time with the newer flagship procs is such a boost over the 3-4 from a few years back.

^^ The only interfaces I've really like have been Volvo (great design, so-so reliability) and Chrysler uConnect (Good design, great reliability) GM's interfaces are a mess and unreliable (though the latest round is improving). Ford Sync3 is reliable, but such blah design. Tesla Model 3 lost the "recommended" rating from Consumer Reports over their interior electronics.

Isn't bragging rights what sells most Teslas anyway? Back to the original premise, 440 volts just isn't available in most residential installations anyway, so its a moot point. Better off getting Tesla roof and house battery to charge the car from.

They should offer an Estate trim on the Enclave w/ faux wood side paneling, extra chrome, whitewall tires, hood ornament, etc.

Ahhh okay, I get them mixed up as I'm not much of a Lexus fan. Thank you!

I believe my friend is charging on a 220 at home, and only once has he needed to stop at a station to charge (he drove upstate and back). For most peoples' needs, having the 440 at home would be a waste of money to install and only there for "bragging rights".

If your at home, then again 220V charging while your doing stuff at home is still more than enough and some states more than others lead in quick charge DC charge station easily found around the highways, work and retail locations. Do not get me wrong, it would be nice to have a 440V 3 phase fast charger at home, but more often than not most people would not need it or need to spend the money on it once they got used to charging their auto every night.

10000 for an expensive sedan isn't bad. if you like these cars, you need to buy them, not just talk about buying them.

CT6 9969 Continental 8758 LS 9302 A8 1599 7series 8271 SClass. 14, 978 XTS 17,727 units Also I will add that the CT6 sold 17,223 in China

Hey. That dorsal fin with this greenhouse would have been an ICON (and there was a full-size clay with both) ~

I recall him driving down the highway and his daughter had just shifted to the one-buttcheek-wide middle seat after her sister got in the car, and she didn't want the heated seat on (the middle rear seat is also heated) and he's hovering his finger over the diagram trying to figure out which seat he has to turn off, which he has to turn on, how many clicks each is going to take because they're all at different settings, etc...

On Saturday I washed the Jeep and the Trax. Got to keep the winter crud off. Topped off the washer fluid. Looking forward to Spring...

Well, it was in the last 5-year plan...maybe it will be in the next one also...

Of the 3 E-bodies, I think the Toronado from '90 onward wore the 'upsized downsized' MCE the best...

First Influential I would probably give to the Lexus RX.

Pictured here with their new Buick. Please note their apparent ages. THANK YOU!