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I'm just going to enjoy it as a movie and not over analyze it... I know it's not a documentary. There have been plenty of those over the years, along w/ books. Going to see it in my local theater w/ the huge reclining assigned seats, THX sound and big screen will be fun.

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So...a GIF like this appropriate then? @USA-1 In pics, that front end looks bulky. Lost in translation happens with pictures. True true. That GPS front lifting memory feature is awesome. Corvette engineers thought of many things to cater to those finicky exotic car owners. They did their homework... EDIT @Robert Hall Barrett J happens just before XMAS or right about New Years Day, right? The Montreal Show is mid January... You cant go then...I cant just retreat that GIF...I NEED to see the C8 before you...

Purist's will always be upset with change. The aftermarket guys are already blowing minds with C8 add on's. It will be great to see the C8 and Z06 next year as well as "Zora" in the near future rip the hater trolls to shreds and take euro exotics down at a fraction of their cost. Heck the BASE C8 Stingray is already on par with many foreign mid engine exotics. I can't wait to see what the AWD Hypercar C8 Zora 5.5L TT 850hp flat plane crank V8 mid ship and 200hp dual traction motors in front. Bring it Europe! ??? https://www.topspeed.com/cars/chevrolet/2020-chevrolet-c8-corvette-zr1-ar165292.html

Ive been on youtube and several automotive sites searching for ANY C8 content. Ive also read hundreds if not thousands of comments on those sites and videos regarding the C8 I found out that the majority of people all over the world (And yeah...Ive listened to GERMAN youtube videos, and Ive read GERMAN comments...google translate for the comments but I have NO clue what the videos said...) That the C8 is MOSTLY well perceived. Fans from all kinds of types of vehicles applaud GM for having the balls to switch to mid-engine for the Corvette. A vocal minority, but big numbers just the same just wished that GM kept the Corvette front engined the way it was. Most comments liked the C8's exterior looks. Most comments were about it looked BETTER than the other mid-engined exotics out there. Trolls on US content commented how it looked like an Acura NSX or it was a Walmart Ferrari. I do not think the German comments were trolly, but it was fairly even split between the German folk liking the exterior looks, better than the C7 and C6 or those that liked the C8 but find the looks to be more European and that was a set back because at least the C7 and C6 had American styling design (same with the placement of the engine, these folk applauded the mid-engine effort but stated that the Corvette lost its specialness by being Front engined RWD) and those that hated it because it reminded them too much of a Ferrari design. But many many many comments were how before they would NEVER consider a Corvette, but the C8 won them over. Price and performance with that mid-engine layout being the reasons given. Some said...(who knows if they really own a 911 or Ferrari) that they would now ditch their German and Italian rides for the Corvette C8. On the interior....hands down...comments were about how much better it looks and seems to be than previous generations. However, in the German comments, there were some trolls that called the Corvette American junk and that it will never hold a candle to a 911, BMW, Audi or Mercedces. Just an anecdotal post...take that what you want from this post. Enjoy it or rip me into pieces for it...

We can thank Mr. Jim Perkins, who is now no longer with us, for saving the Corvette from the bean counters at GM in the late 90's. Neat write up at C&D. https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a21052428/how-the-chevrolet-corvette-was-saved-from-extinction-twice-feature/

If Cadillac had an interior like that in an Escalade, Cadillac could raise the base price of an Escalade by at least $30,000 to $50,000 from where it is right now. Too bad Cadillac will NOT do that. Car/CUV interiors still matter.

Clearing out C7 inventory is more important than the 40 day strike. I suspect that the strike hurt other GM operations MORE than the resulting 90 day delay on the C8 Corvette.

Toyota currently uses at least 3 other manufacturer's platforms: Mazda for the Yaris Subaru for the 86 BMW for the Supra Must keep the parts departments busy.

Thank you! Exactly my point. It seems @oldshurst442 have difficulty understanding that.

@oldshurst442 Again nobody claims it is a documentary and the points you made are not that significant, it probably was a number of reasons why Ferrari did what he did. Also, MotorTrend review points out to many inaccuracies too. My point was that according to the first reviews (not just from Motor Trend) the movie should be great, it tells the overall story very well and it is a great racing movie. Also, the simple fact remains that a simple "chicken farmer" kicked Ferrari's @ss.

The next 6-cylinder from FCA will be a turbocharged inline 6.

You must not have exposed them to enough Helix or Honeymoon Suite when they were younger.

Oh...yes they are. Some are. Some are not. But...tell you one thing. Even with today's cleaner cars, leave your car running in a closed environment and see how you fair and then come and tell me that emission laws are overboard. Catalytic converters and technology have come a long way since the 1970s. When push comes to shove...automakers WILL find a solution. When left alone....chaos ensues. Hell, chaos ensues when there are rules. A famous saying in NASCAR ...Tom Petty...oops..Richard Petty, (RIP TOM)...said if you aint cheatin', you aint tryin' THIS is regarding rules and regulations when in place and anarchy STILL ensues. When no laws and regulations exist, all hell breaks loose. And this is the kind of mind set that Detroit...and Wolfsburg go by. Not a good thing for you and me, buddy.

Basically what he said. I try to be aware of my biases, even wrote some thoughts on it a few years back - https://contradictoryenigmas.tumblr.com/post/154206882939/bias-creep-redux

This Jeep FC double cab at SEMA is pretty cool..

You young kids still needing a Tet to make you happy with a bottle. I like the real thing if you get my drift.

Couch verb 1. express (something) in language of a specified style.

Reality is complex, as I like to say.

One could argue that it isn't though...'world' can be used in non-global contexts.

Since it's all future stuff, have to couch it in non-definite terms. Reality is complex.

The earth isn't flat, it's a globe. And there is a world outside of the US, which many people seem unaware of..actual facts.

Im actually older than you. 46. I dont drink or eat in my car either. My kids on the other hand...different story.

Lol well I'm 43 and pretty fit but ok...? And no the cup holders haven't always been great especially in the C5, but I don't eat or drink in my Vette other than water in a bottle at times. Gettin' old ya old Canuck!

Not very many are going to 'race' towards EVs that cost 2-3 times what IC vehicles cost. $30,000 buys a LOT of fuel, and for years to come.

Pretty sure they will. Barrett J always has a Chevrolet, Dodge and Ford area. Ford had the new GT there in 2017.

Cheap oil AND low taxes on gasoline. Most of the world taxes petroleum and its distillates much higher than we do here in the USA. When US gas prices mirror European gas prices, the USA will almost certainly race towards pure EVs.

I wrote that 7 hours ago. That the movie aint out yet. This whole thing... I just said I hope its not a crappy American flag waving shytfest. And it made at least 3 folk angry with me for saying and PROVING that this whole Ford GT40 LeMans thing has some deep and flawed folklore to it... Their defense: Its a movie and movies are meant to be enjoyed. A back handed insult to me... Where I look for accuracy in a movie about ACTUAL EVENTS, they chastise me for wanting that in THIS movie... I guess becsause its not a documentary, and just a "movie", crappy American flag waving shytfests should be the norm when an American is involved in ANY historical event when depicted in a movie... I guess I insulted their PATRIOTISM for fake MAGA flag waving folklore...

Seems the reports of only early this year and late last year that battery price per kW would be $187 per kW by 2025 are way off after massive advancements have the battery industry heading to $87 per kW battery pack cost by 2025. https://chargedevs.com/newswire/new-report-cost-and-performance-of-batteries-improving-much-faster-than-forecast/

Interesting auto sales info for the last 5 and half years, clear picture of cars versus trucks/suv/cuv/vans: Full Report here: https://autoalliance.org/economy/light-trucks

? Could we not be professional and just wait till the movie comes out and then debate each persons take on the facts of the movie? ?‍♂️

writes: What are you talking about? Mid-engined exotic car owners are not finicky. Where is your proof that mid-engined exotic owners are finicky? I dont buy that at all. You are generalizing and that is a not good when stating your opinions on a car forum. writes: Yeah...I know. Forbes is stating that the car demographic for mid-engined exotics should favor the launch of the C8 due to the fact that.............. Motor Trend did a study of................. Cars and Safety Weekly says that the young Millennials that are to buy the C8................ This @oldshurst442 guy just doesn't get it. writes: Im gonna have fun test driving it no matter what he says. writes: ( on my post) Yes. But I sat in it and well...Im 8 feet 9 inches tall and because its a GM product, I could fit easily in it because its a GM product and the C8 is also mid-engined but a comparable Ferrari...well the Ferrari sucks because Im 8 feet 9 inches tall and I cant fit my oversized legs and torso in the car. To which I write back to all of you: Listen: Alls Im saying is that Chevrolet nearly killed the Corvette program because....... and I hope Chevrolet will find a way to keep its core buyers intact while keeping new buyers happy and I hope they find new secrets of success in making new loyal Corvette buyers for the next 60 years. And...well, its true that the mid-engined crowd's demands are a little different than what Chevrolet knows about the "muscle car" crowd. writes back: What do you mean the muscle car crowd is different.... writes back: Muscle Car Review and Hot Rod Chevy say that............

The heads of the UAW I heard, will eventually be prosecuted for some kind of fraud. One guy resigned in hopes of eliminating his chances of being arrested? Did I hear that correct? Anyway, the C8 looks to be like a fantastic machine. I just hope Chevy could keep customers interested in it for another 60 years. It was a tough sell at times when it was front engined, yet it kept its core buyers intact. But as we all know, the Corvette program was nearly killed of several times in its history, the latest from C4 to the C5 due to waning customers and not making money on it and almost from the C6 to the C7 due to the bankruptcy. Now that its core buyers are conflicted, will it have a fresh new core buyers to keep it going for another 60 years? The mid-engined crowd is a finicky bunch...

wont make it any prettier.

And it seems that YOU dont seem to understand what it is that I am looking for... Ill enjoy the movie...but Ill deem it to be GARBAGE if it lacks the details that make it a REAL HISTORIC BIO-PIC. Its in the little details, for me, when a HISTORIC movie depicting HISTORY in a more or less TRUTHFUL way... Yes, its a movie...based on a real event. It it lacks truth to it...we might as well call it a fantasy and not a historical event. In this case...TWILIGHT the movies would be enjoyed more by me than a false representation of what transpired. But yeah...Siskel and Ebert said that the movie is great. And some blogger on youtube said the Last Jedi is bullshyte because of SJW messages so I got to go by those standards... But I find it funny that we resorted to back hand insults on me when I showed you folk how there really are two opposing facts on this issue. And Im the one that is pushing for a more realistic movie depicting an American hero in a bad light...

I have a weird sentiment on the Alfa Romeo Giulia. Some days I like the car, other days I do not. Side profile reminds me too much of a BMW, and I HATE on BMWs for the most part. But the over all styling of the Giulia is more often sexy to me than not. And I do like the exhaust notes of that turbo 2.9. An inline turbo 6 on a future Giulia will bring it that much closer to mimic a BMW, which I strangely applaud and can get very excited about. *hmmmmm* Great idea indeed to have a TTI6 Giulia. Could I get excited about a possible TTI6 Challenger SRT ACR or Challenger SRT "Wraith" in the near future? I think I can, yes!!!

Oh stop. Every company goes through these types of cycles. Seemingly nothing for a few years and then BAM! Ten new models in two years.

Everyone has some biases, and automotive journalists have them to some degree too. But to say that car magazines choose one car over another just because of advertising money or some hidden payouts I think is just wrong.

I don't think we have many dirt bike riders here, but I guess we'll see.

^^^ A conglomerate prioritized speed and profit over safety? Say it ain't so, Joe. I do NOT believe it! (sarcasm)

LONG overdue. Definitely see some major Cadillac Escala design cues in front end and hood and the new CT cars design cues with front end and hood, as well as some Jaguar F Type in front and down the side. Are we sure Johan D. didn't really go back to Infiniti? ?

And there goes the GM fanboy still trying to convince everyone that he is not a GM fanboy. He also swears that he wasn’t “triggered” despite his above response to the contrary. Thanks for proving my general point about fanboys though. I criticized GM therefore I must be a GM hater. The Cadillac CTS-V Wagon is my bucket list car and I’ve worked at two different Chevrolet dealerships in two different states but yeah, I’m a big ole’ GM hater. Seriously, where do you come up with this nonsense? Finally, didn’t you also have the word “vortec” in that username? Thanks for making my day GM fan.

Ferrari, meh

The amount of Matte paint job autos sure has grown. This I am pretty sure is a custom paint job.

guys...

If you think so, you should definitely call me out on it, and @William Maley too. I'm not saying that all writers do it, but there are some pretty clear biases out there.

Most of the development occurred in the UK, and after Shelby got involved--- two years into the program--- he was flying back and forth from LA to the UK and occasionally to Detroit...weekly..(the facility was in an airport hangar at Heathrow, I believe)... from the book, IIRC.

eh... they clearly have their favorites. It's obvious when excuses are made for certain brands that are criticisms of others.

The 2500 has grown on me some since it debuted, I'd give it a 4/10 now, instead of my earlier 2/10.