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442 : I have seen where your automotive passions lie, and I have no issues with that, of course. Always; to each, his own. I know I am generally very particular- that's just me. There's no singular automotive segment that I like unilaterally. • 1960 Eldorado Seville coupe, for me? Why, thank you, anonymous wealthy donor, I shall love it like my own child! • 1960 Merc Park Lane coupe, for me? Ummm, may I politely allow another to appreciate this automobile over myself?

You triggered a torrent with this one, Balthy!

I like this better.

Average is around 60 right now and that's the average, but the C5 being a huge improvement over the C4 then the even more technologically advanced C6 and C7 GM brought in a lot of Gen. X'ers to Corvette like myself. C8 will bring in even more younger buyers to drop the average even more. ??

Corvette purists are not really pissed and not on the same level at all, I'm one and I'm happy with the ME car so are many other Corvette guys. We do wish that they'd keep the front engine layout as well and GM may reconsider in the future.

Do those 'purists' actually even buy new cars, though ? Or do they just wallow in nostalgia for the past...

BAH... Purists are always pissed about something... Corvette purists are pissed that the Corvette is now mid-engined... Porsche purists are STILL pissed that air cooled 911s are long gone... Hockey purists are pissed because the game of hockey is now actually played on the ice instead of having WWE style battle royales happen on every other night. Baseball purists are still pissed because of the designated hitter rule in the American League... Phoqu'em!!!

I love uplevel 1.3 liter 3 cylinder engines!

I get you. And yes, I see what you are sayin' and I agree with it. My choice of words, whether worded wrong or right, I did not realize the impact it might have. And yes, I have formed that theme and bias. I like muscle car type cars. I like performance oriented cars. I like automotive rivalries and what cars come out of that rivalry. I usually like how cars have evolved as a product in their own environment. Skylines, to me, are muscle car like. Originally, the cars were normal cars that were stuffed with higher performance engines in them creating a faster car. And over the years and decades, we got what we have today. So I like Skylines. Any car stuffed with a big V8 where normally a smaller engine resides, I like. The AMG Hammer in the late 80s and more often than not, the modern AMG V8 cars, I enjoy those. I like Ford GT40 versus Ferrari 250s. I like Lamborghinis versus Ferraris. I like Chevy versus Ford versus Dodge. And if you have the patience to read my posts, you will clearly see what cars I usually have passion for.

no, bro. He was questioning that statement, and I, in kind, because I respect him, decided to explain to him what I am all about. I opened up my heart to him. He deserves that from me. This forum deserves that from me. And I, after opening up my heart to you guys, deserve a reciprocation of love, back. ?

Now I just need to sell a 2015 200S. ? If anyone knows someone who is interested, let me know! I picked up a 2018 Cadillac CTS Luxury 2.0T a couple of days ago. Here are my initial impressions: The suspension is not as stiff as I have heard other people say. It absorbs the bumps pretty well with no real harsh impacts but it does squirm around quite a bit on the heavily potholed Michigan roads The 2.0T is a bit unrefined but has plenty of power for the application The stop/start occasionally causes the car to shudder on the stop and almost always causes a shudder on the start. It is pretty quite though. Kind of the opposite of the stop/start on our Pacifica. On the Pacifica it is smooth but loud. The 2018 version of CUE is vastly improved over the version I drove a few years ago. It oddly enough is still slow on the Radio station changes using the steering wheel buttons, though. I've only had it for a couple of days and I still haven't explored all the features yet. I'll post more comments as I get more familiar with the car. If you guys have any questions, let me know!

I'll explain what I mean by "homecoming." Never did I think I'd drive my car across the international border between the stare of New York and province of Ontario, with a destination of Toronto. I was a little on edge, given that Toronto has grown so much since I last drove in it. I knew my way around Vancouver fairly well, even with the growth. I wonder if border agents have heard the explanation that, in addition to visiting Toronto, someone wanted to take their car to "see" its "birthplace." Well, being in Toronto means being a little more than 30 minutes from Oshawa, the lauded GM plant at which my car was built. In addition to seeing Toronto, I thought I'd drive it to the GM Oshawa plant and photograph it in front of where final assembly took place. The Oshawa plant isn't as aesthetically appealing as I thought it would be. It was sort of dowdy. There was a Costco nearby, a Greek restaurant I wanted to try but was closed on that day of the week, and housing digs that, based on the throw away magazines, are far from cheap that far out from the big T-O. The car performed very well on the trip. It still had and has not reached 100,000 miles. I believe I nudged 30 mpg on some highway jaunts. Here you go: This appears to be the original office building for the plant Self explanatory A little more drama from this angle There is a tech and research center across the street from the older plant Gotta love the Canadian flag - "less is more" So it's obvious what has recently been built here. I wonder what the mix is between what is 2.5 L4 equipped and what is 3.6 V6 equipped. Glad I put aside part of an afternoon to do this. It's not something I'm likely to repeat. Cheers, eh?

Seltos. Makes me think of Mentos. Probably related to the new baby Hyundai CUV whose name escapes me.

I used to work in a small company in Denver that was owned and majority staffed by Canadians from Saskatchewan. Hockey and hard drinking were their two main passions...it was a work hard, party hard place..had a great 4 years there..

Yeah, you Canadians and your hockey is quite a stark contrast to anything else really! LOL!! ?

Yep, I caught that too..."because they had to." Porsche just like other luxury car and luxury sports car marques had to build an SUV to align with the market demand.

I was been facetious about a Corvette EV CUV..but you never know, we live in interesting times of change. I wouldn't mind having another Mustang sooner or later...maybe a convertible, definitely a V8 w/ manual. But I also like the idea of a Challenger w/ V8 and manual.

About a Corvette SUV, EV or otherwise? I do not think that Corvette engineers and Corvette marketing is ready for a Corvette SUV anytime soon. There has been some people that are intrigued by a Corvette SUV...but that is where it ends. At least until Tadge is no longer the chief Corvette engineer... But even with the Mustang naming fake outrage... Tadge even says it for the Corvette: The Mustang 2 door V8 powered coupe is still with us with special editions coming out. In fact, the GT500 with close to 800 horsepower just got revealed too. So that argument falls apart. The Mustang is still sold and NOT going anywhere...

1700 is nothing, though...would be interesting to know how many are owners of the current car..

THAT right there, is me!!! Im happy for mid-engined. Im sad for front engine going away. Im super excited for the performance unlocking so Corvette (and America) could REALLY kick some Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren, Lamborghini, Pagani, (European) ass. (The Ford GT40 was only in racing and not in street car form) and Ford GT (this generation) is just another high dollar, low volume (ho-hum?) garage queen. (what I mean by Ho-Hum could be explained...maybe on an another thread) But at the same time, I love how iconic the "classic" front (mid)engined, high horsepower big V8 Vette has become. And I hope Chevrolet re-visits that in the future. The Corvette was also a GREAT GT car. A "proper" V8 front engined bruiser of a cruiser GT car. And now, that is gone. THAT is why I say that Corvette needs SEVERAL models to properly compete with ANY European brand one on one. To have a model for EVERY model that Ferrari or Porsche has in their respective stables. As is, well from the C7 and down, the Corvette had to do battle with a Boxter, Cayman, 911, 928, 918, Ferrari 488, Superfast, Laferrari....you get the idea Now with the C8, at least its mid-engined and the Z06 and Zora ZR-1 and the Z-51 (all the same car mind you) could handle all that without any of the Corvette hatin' BS from Europe (understandable) but from the USA too (like WTF is up with that???!!!)... Disclaimer: almost a model for every Ferrari and/or Porsche model...as many models as Corvette/Chevy/GM can handle to build and sell successfully at a profit without diminishing the brand... hey if that means only one model...OK

These people are actual customers that buy that product, whatever that is. So I think it is in the best interest of the companies to listen to them. 911 became better by going liquid cooled. Vette became better by going mid-engine. Mustang name used on a crossover is not even close to these examples.

https://www.change.org/p/ford-motor-company-name-change-mustang-mach-e I am curious how many eventually will sign. Of course, no way Ford will change the name. Still, will be pretty good indication how many Mustang fans are not happy with the name.

I got more than that, but remember if we are to take the minds and memory of the consumers, then an old logo is better than no logo.

That's all you got out of it? Lol! Definitely wasn't cheap. I've been told it's because they were in the midst of changing the logo from the Wreath and Crest to the new Crest, but it hadn't been completed yet. First ELR's in 2014 had the old logo and the newer 2015's and 2016's had the new Crest logo on the grille and trunk lid along with a small "Cadillac" script on the trunk trim.

The Adam Corolla Show was awesome, loved that show. Top Gear was one of my favs as well both British and American versions were great in their own way. The original Top Gear USA with Rutledge Wood, Adam Ferrara and Tanner Foust was hilarious and fun as h3ll to watch! They'd screw with each other like Clarkson did with May and Hammond. What a dream job! Get to drive exotics or clunkers to hammer on that aren't yours and if you break it the show pays for it ?

The one that comes standard will be a small box with interchangeable plugs for 120 or 240v similar to the one GM offered as standard in the Volt and ELR with a specific place to store it in the trunk. It won't pull the amps that one will want on a regular basis or be as good as a wall mounted dedicated Level 2 50 amp charging station, trust me it makes a big difference even if they say it will pull 32 amps on the mobile charger that's MAX and will vary greatly depending on the circuit and the environment the car is in. Attached pics are what Caddy offered for the Level 2 50 amp station with J1772 plug and 18 ft. cord, it was a pretty cool setup.

Absolutely. If you're committing to a full blown EV, you might as well commit to the proper charging setup.

I see MB A220 in the dash.

That's good, the hardwired 48 amp wall mount Level 2 charging station on a dedicated 50/60 amp circuit would be the way to go for sure. Then leave the mobile switchable 120/240v box in the rear storage for traveling where there may not be a public station like rural areas.

"New Ford all-electric vehicles, including the Mustang-inspired SUV arriving next year, will come standard with a Ford Mobile Charger that can charge regardless of outlet power (120- and 240-volt outlets); for those with longer commutes or who want greater peace of mind, a Ford Connected Charge Station can fully power a vehicle overnight while they sleep. Ford is collaborating with Amazon in the U.S. for all your installation services – from 240V outlets to the Ford Connected Charge Station"

Niches within niches...

I can relate...i like a lot of stuff from a lot of manufacturers. I'm sure some of it is due to what I was exposed to at an early age. '60s-70s muscle cars and pony cars, full size American cars from the '60s-80s (esp. '69-72), personal luxury coupes. Mustangs were my first loves. Over the years have gained an appreciation for German luxury and performance sedans, esp. the big Mercs of the 80s to today. I like Northstar Cadillacs. I like JDM performance cars like the older Skylines, though I've only seen a few in person. Like a variety of Porsches and other European performance cars. Like modern Volvo wagons. I love a variety of Jeeps. Love vintage race cars.

Impossible, they're only 3 inches apart. I assumed the GX will replace the Encore, but that's a curious way to go about it; just enlarge the next Encore. This continual halving of vehicle segments is not sustainable.

Well, the wording (“try to like all”) just struck me. NOT saying 442 is NOT one, but enthusiasts don’t do that; right/ wrong / illegitimate- they form some sort of themes/biases right off the bat and they usually set like hi-PSI concrete. And like I say; maybe that’s ‘wrong’, but to snapshot my position and keep it topical- I’d have no issue pulling the crusher lever on a Mustang II. Props, Oldshurst442, for branching out. I hope you get me.

It still sucks, but I think you will come out much better in the next place you decide to go. Market for the most part is still solid, so I know you will find a new place quick, if not before the other place ends! I was bummed when I got laid off from my automotive job- but besides missing the cars, I find this one more fun. Reminds me to update my resume-though I kinda shy from it. I updated my Monster account, and the calls just won’t stop..... ?

The Jalopnik link makes a mistake in expressing an opinion that GM/Chevy had Tesla in their sites. Had Tesla products as a benchmark... The only thing I gather Chevy/GM had on benchmarking Telsa was the price point in which the Bolt was to be sold at as compared to the Model 3. From the EV1, all the way to Volt gen 1 and 2, the Cadillac ELR, and then the Bolt to the mild hybrid stuff on Malibus and Tahoes, nothing suggests that GM ever wanted to do performance oriented EVs. And GM could do a performance oriented EV if they chose to do so. They took a different market approach. Tesla has found that sweet spot. It does not mean that GM's approach is wrong vis-a-vis Tesla's approach. It just means that GM's approach and its choice of its product's packaging may be at fault... The Cadillac ELR was a 2 door personal luxury coupe econobox with an econobox derived Chevrolet version of its EV. And it also used the Chevrolet Volt's 1st generation tech instead of the 2nd generation tech, in an era when small, 2 door coupes dont sell. In an era when SUVs sell like mad. In an era when Tesla and Fisker were selling sexy body styled sedans and the Tesla was and still is eons ahead in marketing, styling and dare I say in EV technology in some key tech areas... The Bolt does not fail as an EV product. It fails on its intended mission as an EV product. Not in terms of it not being a capable EV, but it failing of it not being capable of delivering the marketing message that its supposedly sold upon. Packaging. And also, GM does not put full faith in that marketing message either...and so the marketing is also downplayed... The Mustang Mach-E will only eat its lunch if EV buyers buy into a 1. Mustang EV 2. A Ford EV capable of being a good Tesla product equal I think point 1 wont be a problem. But point 2 might very well be. Some EV people have a strong bias against ICE makers and will NEVER take Ford, GM, VW, Nissan, etc, seriously and the Mach-E, as good as it seems on paper, does not have a chance and is DOA...

LOL Listen. American cars is what I love. From the 1900s to today. But I'd like to try and learn about cars from different countries and from their different eras too. Car craziness and car culture is strong in America, but it aint strictly an American thing. The automobile has defined America and its culture and we revolve our modern lives around it more than any other culture, but there is a car culture elsewhere other than North America. And if it wasnt for 2 devastating world wars in Europe where the automobile was starting to get a grip on life here as well as in Europe, the automobile in Europe would have had the same influence as in America. But like everything else in nature, the environment influences the surroundings and the same entity evolves differently and at a different pace as the next. I love to learn about different car cultures around the globe and how the car has influenced that society and how it evolved differently from ours. And from all that, I learned that car enthusiasts around the world are the same, but have a different take on the performance car than what we have. And from an enthusiast point of view, for which I am, I enjoy enthusiast cars. And I want to appreciate that. I have learned that I actually do enjoy European racing cars of the 1920s and 1930s. Or the rivalry that Ferruccio had with Enzo that produced those slick Italian cars of the 1960s and 1970s from both companies. I enjoy the French quirkiness and I enjoy an Alpina race to which Renault paid a tribute to just a couple of years ago, kinda like what Ford did with the Ford GT in 2005. I actually like that Renault/Alpina. Its a cool little sports car. The Japanese car culture thing is whack. Most of it just seems weird to me. But I definitely like the American influence on their sports cars (which also had a slight Euro touch to them too) which in turn begat a pure Japanese sports car scene. I get the question marks. I do not like the shyteboxes that Europe has produced. But then again, I dont like the shyteboxes that Detroit has produced over the years also. But, I do prefer Detroit shyte over Europe's though. And I feel like what Jay Leno has over other car "influencers" is that he has a certain bias towards cars that I find interesting and I gravitate towards his influence over others.

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@oldshurst442 If GM had not stopped at the FWD appliance the Bolt is but also did an AWD Performance version too, I think it would have resonated more with the public. The lack of interior choices as they went too sparse and the quirky exterior have held the Bolt back. If GM would get an all black interior and add a warm brown interior, I think it would sell better. There is so much more GM could do with the Bolt and has not waiting for version 2.0 and Ford is going to eat their lunch with the Mach e.

As the years go by, I try to model my car enthusiasm as his. I try to like all cars, brands, makes, from all countries from all eras. Some comedians may not like him... and think the opposite of what you just said...The Tonight Show fiascos, but both times may not have been 100% his fault. Anyway, this is a car forum, and as a car guy, he is tops in my book. BTW: I have always been a David Letterman guy going back to the mid 80s, and I prefer Conan over Jay as well, but as a comedian and a Late Night Talk Show host, Jay is definitely in his element and just might have been the better candidate to replace Johnny... Nobody beats Johnny, but Jay was the right person for that job at that point in time... Letterman was the better 12:35 guy. He lost his edge by NOT being edgy at the CBS 11:30 show because of that 11:30 crowd. Conan is just silly. Funny. But silly. Smart. Probably the smartest comedian. He is better off doing his own thing on his own show. The Tonight Show was not his thing. Wrong crowd for him.

Thanx for the correction. I googled and it turns out that it sold in selective markets. I do not know if the Focus EV was sold in Quebec. I did not know this car existed. Hence my misrepresentation... I did not mean it and I certainly dont shill... However... If you are gonna correct me, please do not do it with trying to prove some sort of GM supremacy in mind... I do want correct information to come through, but not as a shill exercise for your favorite brand... From the same post... 2022 or 2023? Shyte dude...that is still 3/4 years away... Cadillac's BEV in 2022/2023 BETTER be a thousand times more advanced than this Ford Mach-E and better be on par with Tesla's offerings in 2022/2023... If it aint....it will only be as good as a Jaguar iPace which is NOT GOOD ENOUGH... 2022/2023... This is the same stupid argument I endured over at Motor Trend Forums when Mustang/Camaro guys would troll each other: "Of course this generation Camaro/Mustang (you could replace the pony cars with Silverado and the F-150 and add the Ram) beat it this time around, the Mustang/Camaro that lost is on the old platform...wait until the next generation comes..." 2022/2023 Shyte dude! And yes, the Bolt is a good seller for what it is and what sales EVs are to have that are NOT Tesla... And yes, the Bolt is a good effort BEV, but it aint a Tesla both in terms of brand recognition and in terms of EV friendly as how you get with Tesla product EVs... You could argue GM's build quality is eons ahead of Tesla's, but that argument could go either way, depending on who you talk to... The C8 aint even out yet and GM haters are already calling it American junk... So there is that... Point being, dont shove a GM BEV argument when there isnt an equivalent GM BEV product around...

Bill.ford is saying the Mach e will be profitable from the start of production. https://electrek.co/2019/11/19/ford-mustang-mach-e-immediately-profitable-says-ford-ceo/amp/#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

My chariot on the way to LA for the auto show. A Star Wars themed 737.

Thanks man... I leased the Genesis... very nice car, but it wasn't me.

Update on the CTS: Not much to update. Everything has been working well. I don't calculate out mpg on this car but going by the VIC it gets around 27 mpg in the summer and maybe 25.5 mpg in the colder months. This is probably around 75% interstate but seeing as this is Michigan and we only have 2 seasons: winter and construction, it spends a fair amount of time stuck in traffic jams. It has never been on a trip since we always take the wife's minivan and I a mileage limited on my lease. The car is very enjoyable to drive, handles very well and the 2.0T is plenty powerful for this car. It does have the occasional weird trans issue when the car is cold where it seems like it is slow to go into drive and then slams into second but that only happens occasionally and only once on a given drive. While I never lived daily with the old CUE system, the times I tried it I hated it. I can report it is vastly improved and actually works very well now. Uconnect is still better but this isn't too far behind any more. Even the capacitive touch buttons work on the first try now for the most part. I do still have the occasional flaky ghost in the machine type problem but that is to be expected with pretty much all modern infotainment systems. Still kind of wish I had bought a used V-Sport instead of leasing this 2.0T but outside of it not having the 3.6TT, I really don't have too many complaints.

Better than the Buick Encore GX and at a better price. But all these little crossovers are starting to look the same.