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You mean like this one? Was so freaking badass. Blackwing angry beast cold start. Just got back from driving it. No turbo lag at all pulls hard all the way to lets just say maybe triple digits swiftly haha. Paddle shifters are pretty sweet new 10 spd is butter smooth but quick, a lot of car for $100k. This dealer just got six in literally two weeks ago already sold three of them have eight more coming in at least two of those are pre-sold one is fully loaded Platinum with Super Cruise 2.0. Wake up GM bean counters, people still want these cars if even just a limited build of the performance V Series line! 2019 CT6-V Blackwing cold start.mp4 2019 CT6-V Blackwing animated gauge cluster.mp4 2019 CT6-V Blackwing animated gauge cluster.mp4 2019 CT6-V Blackwing animated gauge cluster.mp4

What Dfelt said... And people are NOT indifferent to EVs in MY neck of the woods. I said about 8 months ago that I see 5 different Tesla Model 3s each and every day here. Well, 8 months later, like as of now, that figure went up. I see at least 7-8 DIFFERENT Model 3s each and every day on a SHORT commute to work. And no, the Tesla store is no where near where I live and work. There is only one Tesla store in case you are asking... //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Back to the thread...but with an EV flavour. I think GM is cutting all these sedans because so they could focus full force on bringing out EVs. Barra said that she wants GM to be the world's leader in EVs... The 2.3 billion dollar venture with LG Chem and a creation of 1100 jobs while closing down ICE factories and laying off ICE workers should signal to all of us what is going on with GM... Killing off the CT6, waisting billions on it and the Blackwing while telling us that the Blackwing costs money is just a smoke screen. I think, they are killing the Blackwing NOT because it costs money...I think GM brass want to distance Cadillac from the internal combustion engine as much as they can. The Blackwing is a start. Its a "gas guzzling V8". It does not look good with PR with EV sheeple to have a brand new gas guzzling V8 in the stable when in a couple of years, an onslaught of Cadillac EVs are gonna launch... I have come to this conclusion after reading comments from product launches from GM. The C8 and the Blackwing CT6. Also Autoline Detroit... There are MANY comments made by EV trolls, that diss the V8s...or even the rotary engine. They say all kinds of dumb things such as "why invest in ICE when electrics are the future?" Or "dino tech that sucks gas spews emissions" Or "0-60 in xx seconds, quarter mile yy seconds? HA! Stuopid GM for wasting billions on outdated technology...Telsa Model XYZ is faster...blah blah blah..." My personal opinion is this... Its a damned shame that GM spent billions to finally create a SEDAN worthy of the Cadillac badge, (big, brawny, V8, RWD sedan) only to kill it, yet again with this pattern, only to invest billions more on something that may be just a pipe dream, because even though in MY neck of the woods, people seems to want EVs, there are other woods dar from where I am, that are dead set against EVs... And Cadillac, whether Barra wants Cadillac to be a leader in EVs, and I have no doubt that Cadillac can and WILL produce something to embarrass Tesla and now the Mustang Mach-E, Cadillac is STILL all about the big badass V8 car. The Blackwing is that...

I will as you expected DISAGREE with you as a wide range of options is EXACTLY what is Missing. More people are wanting less maintenance and easier fueling than you think, the options are just not there yet. It will be and I suspect we will see great strides in EV sales in 2023 as more EV options come online.

All companies are in the business to make money but what sets some of them apart is the non-stop bean counting yet still wasting money and R&D (see the money spent on developing the CT6). Furthermore, RWD or FWD, at least the Aviator has real engine options with power to boot. Lincoln has somehow done what Cadillac should have already been doing (and no I am not a fan of Lincoln or the Aviator). What’s the XT6 rocking bedsides being sat upon the wrong platform (again the bean counting by forgoing the Omega platform)? That 3.6L that’s in just about everything else GM makes? The point here is that you can make money and still act like you give a damn about the little things. GM has a mixed record with that, at best.

Over a year ago, I pitted the Mazda CX-9 against the Volkswagen Atlas to find out which was the better three-row crossover. The CX-9 put up a good fight with a very luxurious interior and impressive driving dynamics. However, the Atlas took home the win as it proved to be the better carrier of passengers and cargo, along with providing a slightly smoother ride. A year on, the CX-9 makes a return to the C&G Detroit Garage to see if it could redeem itself. Spoiler alert: I still feel the same way as I did last year. Going on three years, the CX-9 is still one of the best looking three-row crossovers on sale. Its graceful lines, tapered rear pillar, and slim lights make the crossover look more expensive than it actually is. The Grand Touring may miss out on the Nappa leather for the seats and Rosewood trim found on the Signature, it is still a nice place to sit in. Bright metalwork contrasts nicely with soft-touch plastics and leather upholstery on the seats. But the interior also houses some of the CX-9’s key flaws beginning with the seat arrangement. All 2019 CX-9s come with seating for seven people, there is no option for six with a set of captain chairs - that is being rectified for 2020. Those sitting in the second-row will have no complaints about space, but anyone sitting in the third-row will bemoan the lack of legroom. This can improve if the second-row is slid forward. Cargo space is another weak spot. The CX-9 only offers 14.4 cubic feet behind the third-row, 38.2 cubic feet behind the second row, and 71.2 cubic feet with both rows folded. To give some perspective, the Atlas offers 20.6, 55.5, and 96.8 cubic feet of space. 2019 finally sees Mazda add Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility to their MazdaConnect infotainment system. This is an improvement as MazdaConnect trails competitors in terms of graphics and a slightly confusing menu structure. At least the control knob and shortcut buttons make using the system less aggravating. Power comes from a turbocharged 2.5L four-cylinder with 227 horsepower (250 if you fill up with premium) and 310 pound-feet. This is channeled through a six-speed automatic and the choice of front- or all-wheel drive. Putting a turbo-four into a three-row crossover seems like madness, but Mazda was able to make it work with no issue. Torque arrives at a low 2,000 rpm, allowing the CX-9 to leap away from any driving situation. Response from the transmission is excellent with snappy up and downshifts. Fuel economy is rated by the EPA at 20 City/26 Highway/23 Combined. My average for the week landed around 23, slightly better than the 22.5 mpg for the 2018 model. The ace up the CX-9’s sleeve is the handling. No other crossover can close to matching the taut characteristics on offer with body motions kept in check and sharp steering. Though how many people consider a plus is likely very small. Ride quality falls under supple with most bumps and imperfections being ironed out. Impressive when you consider this is riding 20-inch wheels. The Mazda CX-9 is an outlier in the three-row crossover class as it focuses more on the driving experience and looks. That isn’t a bad thing as it gives Mazda a unique selling point. But a small space for passengers and cargo is the CX-9’s major downfall. Disclaimer: Mazda Provided the CX-9, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas Year: 2019 Make: Mazda Model: CX-9 Trim: Grand Touring AWD Engine: Turbocharged 2.5L Skyactiv-G Inline-Four Driveline: Six-Speed Automatic, All-Wheel Drive Horsepower @ RPM: 227 or 250 @ 5,000 (Depending on the fuel) Torque @ RPM: 310 @ 2,000 Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 20/26/23 Curb Weight: 4,383 lbs Location of Manufacture: Hiroshima, Japan Base Price: $42,640 As Tested Price: $45,060 (Includes $995.00 Destination Charge) Options: Illuminated Door Sill Trim Plates - $575.00 Front & Rear Bumper Trim - $550.00 Snowflake White Pearl - $200.00 Cargo Mat - $100.00 View full article

Pick-ups don't have platforms, and BTW; there are far more chassis’ under the Silverado than any car or SUV. Nope- foreign brands are just as heavily weighted. Porsche is 72% SUVs by volume.

Reading is fundamental. Not understanding why EVs could possibly succeed is just mental.

Many corporations today, rely on shytty social media and even shyttier comment sections (I have come to an understanding, corporations have been doing this kind of marketing for at least a decade now...) to see where public perception is heading...) Focus groups and internet comment sections seem to direct CEOs nowadays on what and how products are to be launched... Its just a theory that I have. Oh...I KNOW that corporations have social media marketing personnel on their payroll...and I also know that they rely on the internet for data... GM on the C8 for instance, when they launched the C8 in July, Tadge DID mention how that online reveal had a million views, or whatever the figure was and how for the days following, the Chevy website nearly crashed because they had a record amount of visitors playing with the C8 price build... So its kinda logical that these internet marketing people also look at the comments sections to get a feel of what folk are saying about GM's image and the C8 and V8s and EVs and shyte!!! Call me crazy, but I KNOW I am unto something...

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Except none of those are SUVs. Something like 70% of the market is SUV/truck and probably more for American car companies. Camaro sales are tanking, Impala and all the other large sedans are tanking. Cadillac should be building blacking V8 SUVs, that would outsell any V8 powered sedan they could come up with.

Or, they could be making $10 grand or even $25 grand on average per car.

That may be true on the CT6, but GM could solve that problem with a new RWD Impala/Caprice STAT, along with an upgraded Camaro.

+1,000,000 well said, as a GM fan and a Heavy Cadillac buyer, recently they have nothing to really excite me and while the CT6 Blackwing is exciting, before I can even see one in person and try it out, they appear to be killing it. You hit the nail on the head surreal1272 that all businesses are in the business to make money, some just pay attention to the little details that actually make more money than playing politics and kissing ass.

This was the current CX9? Yes I know some are longer body, shorter legs or long legs, shorter body. I actually am in the middle with body length equal to leg length and I guess my 5" extra height makes a big difference to me as I could not fit in the front passenger seat as it did not go back or go down as much as the drivers seat. I had to have the drivers seat all the way down and back to fit into the CX9. The racked windshield also makes it much hard to get into the auto as you have to bend the head down and put your butt in before pulling legs and head into the auto. Fact is we all have different body types and those that know me as a large body building 6'6" tall man knows pretty much all Asian auto's fit smaller people. Here is a picture of me and my family. Wife, daughter and Son all 5'8" and then me at 6'6". Except for my daughter, everyone has broad shoulders.

@dfeltHere we go again with 5'8" people. I am 6'1" and had no issues with CX-9 driver seat. CX-9 indeed tighter on space than some other three row crossovers but it handles like a sports sedan and looks great compared to the rest of soap boxes in the segment.

People don’t know or care about platforms, and they don’t buy platforms; they buy completed vehicles. CT6 -I believe- is handily outselling the audi & BMW in the USDM. You know; the market both you & I live in?

Oh there's still plenty of life at GM the new C8 Corvette would reveal such and this isn't officially official yet from GM Corp. per my Caddy dealer friend. CT6 has been rumored to die a few times just in the last 6 months even. They just had a meeting this morning about it with GM so lets hope and pray the bean counters at least keep the Blackwing alive for an Escalade-V. It's not that nobody want to buy the CT6 or CT6-V because they do sell, it's just GM bean counters trying to find ways to cut costs, but they're just going about it completely the wrong way. And there are still plenty of us proud GM owners out there. I have owned other makes and models and always come back to GM. I've had really good times growing up with Chevrolet trucks and cars and Pontiac cars and in this decade with Cadillac buying my first in 2013 (a CTS-V Coupe) so it's fully ingrained in my being. ????

Bottom line is the “old” GM died years ago...as is the “enthusiasts”. There are less and less car folk every year. We are a dying breed that finds driving more important than the entertainment. It’s not just GM, but we see it much more here. .... Changing with the times is not going to be fun for us car folk...... ?

I agree about the ride. The chassis is button down tight and could see that as a daily driver for many years. And I can only imagine the pull on that Blackwing. Again, maybe one day lol.

Yeah, the 3.0TT is very quick as well drove one back in 2016 when they first came out. CT6 as a whole drives like a much smaller car, but still feels commanding enough on the road, pretty amazing really. Blackwing literally puts you back in the seat though, can definitely feel the G forces at work. Tom Good was the engine builder on this one, would tell him good work Mr. Good if I could. LOL!

no she is the problem if all that is being offered to the market is 1.3 litre subcompact crossovers. i have no problem with the market switch from sedans to crossovers, my beef is the regulations and side agendas that force the auto industry to offer smaller and smaller vehicles with tiny buzz bomb engines as the norm, and if you don't buy that, you get killed with a huge upcharge, just if you want a v6, good acceleration, and some elbow room. cadillac is a great example. absolutely cadillac took a sales hit on their sedans because of their size. I can't tell you how many times i heard people at auto shows looking at cadillacs say (regarding the CTS and ATS) too small, not big enough, uncomfortable. etc. Part of luxury is ample accommodations. Of course you are going to pick an XT5 if you are dropping 50-60k when the ATS is unlivable for a lot of people and the CTS is even cramped for many. One reason I love our Pacifica van is there is no shortage of space, and it was not overpriced as such with all the room and a v6. I also did have a Malibu, 2016 nice car. Saw a new Altima AWD on the road today. A relative just got a Sonata. Some folks will still buy sedans but they need to have better powertrain options at a reasonable cost than just the EPA compliance special. I would have looked at another Malibu but you can only get the 2.0 with the Premier, which ends up being 10 grand more for a turbo four. That turbo four should be an alacarte 1500 dollar option. Let me decide if i want the fuel economy of the base motor.

One thing I like a lot about the older cars are the colorful interiors and horizontal dash designs...more interesting than the lumpy 50-shades-of-gray plastic interiors that became so common in the 90s...

You can get free Carplay AND Android Auto in Kia or Chevrolet, but you can't in BMW. Hmmm, something wrong with that picture My friends have '19 530. They had issues with infotainment. Plus it drives like a 20 year old Lexus.

Even that apparently had issues.

I have some serious doubts that the new Escalade is going to go to the next level like the Navigator did in the most recent iteration. I just no longer have the confidence that GM will do the right thing. Dropping the Blackwing from the option sheet on the Escalade is what convinced me of that.

Mary Barra's GM.... cut your way to prosperity.

@regfootball Sadly cost and the lack of many 3rd world places that cannot afford large engines plus China moving to EV focus will dictate what you get in an auto. The US is no longer the worlds biggest market and growth is not here anymore. Poor leadership is a problem. You can blame it on Mary at GM for going after profits and keeping the lights on or you can blame the silent generation and younger generations for instant gratification that has moved to debt loaded life's where they cannot afford to buy an auto anymore. Blame the political lack of leadership. Many things to blame, but sadly the time has come for change and that change will move many into uncomfortable choices because change is the hardest for humanity to take when it affects a passion of theirs.

Now This is sad news. I would LOVE to buy a CT6 (perhaps with the Blackwing V8) but it seems nobody wants to buy arguably the best Cadillac sedan in decades. I wonder why. As for Mary Barra and the bean counters, I wonder who will replace this small minded leadership and actually Make GM Truly Great Again, as opposed to being small and timid. Am I the only one who noticed that few people are PROUD to own a GM vehicle these days? And then these PROUD owners would happily recommend to anyone they knew to buy a GM vehicle instead of the competition?

Very true...the masses that lease generic CUVs are the core of the market. GM is focusing on vanilla lease appliances, trying to be like Toyota. Vehicles so boring that most will not be remembered in 5-10 years. And they are wasting names that had some potential like Trailblazer and Blazer on generic CUVs; what if the Ford Bronco is successful? GM has nothing like that and is unlikely to do anything like that because it doesn't fit the transverse engine generic mediocre configuration... I suspect the CT4 and CT5 are doomed also...

I read about Holden this morning and now this. What is wrong with GM? They cannot get anything right, out on time , or be competitive. How did so a mighty storied company be cut down to what it is now? Killing those brands solved no problems. It exposed the many issues of GM. It left many countries globally too. Buick is now an suv/crossover brand in the United States. Cadillac after ten years is still not fixed. I guess the bigger issue is how do you fix all of GM? What is wrong with GM? It is getting harder for enthusiasts to support GM. It is sad when you say "they make nothing for me". Sad truth is... they do not. I guess the enthusiast are not the the majority and we are the minority. Sad indeed....

GM leadership wants to get them to a mobility company where basically they can build self driving pods and sell rides. It is more profitable business model to be in that direct to consumer sales model, although they aren't selling cars, they are selling rides. And if it is a self driving pod that gets someone from home to work or home to the store and lets them play on their phone or sleep the whole time, it doesn't matter what it looks like or what the performance is.