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Beautiful brute?

So lovely...

It's a really foggy area and one needs to look at the parts content to truly make an educated assessment. The Envision is pretty much a 100% chinese manufactured vehicle by a company that is 51% owned by a Chinese company and 49% owned by GM. So only 49% of the manufacturing profits goes to GM, and thus back to the US.... retail profits are split between GMNA and the dealer. The RDX and other "imports" that are built here get more complicated. Some of them are just assembled here from parts from all over the world. (I don't know of the parts content of the RDX, I'm just using it as an example)... so while Honda gets to claim that the RDX is built in Ohio, it's really just assembled in Ohio and a lot of the parts come from Japan, China, Canada, etc. GM in the past has done weird stuff like this before... the first gen Equinox had a Chinese engine. The Avalanche was assembled in Mexico using mostly U.S. parts. The C-Class is built in Alabama and if you buy the 4-cylinder you get a US engine, but if you buy any of the other powertrains, it's a German engine. The Ranger switched from a Mexican built engine to a US engine.... and at the beginning didn't even make the top 20 in the "Most American" list, and now its in a 5-way tie for 2nd place at 70% American content. ... ... so yea, things are all over the place and can even switch from year to year without a model change over. Corporate taxes are not meant to be paid. They're meant to be an incentive to invest in plants, equipment, and people. Investing in those things lowers your taxes.

Lease ended on 2018 Pacifica. Apart from looking at the Traverse and Enclave, made the seriously easy decision to re-up on a 2021 Pacifica Limited all wheel drive. Ridiculous incentives made it possible for a great deal, and we totally loved our 2018. Sorry GM but your GM Card top off was not much extra incentive. 20 INCH wheels on a van? Thank you STELLANTIS.

Yeah. I am all for equality for every American. But the new political correctness drives me batshit insane.

Umm.... - - - - - I find no dishonor or negativity to 'Jeep Cherokee' whatsoever. I can see folk objecting to -say- Chief Wahoo; it's on the goofy side... but people who internalize a characterization personally obviously have issues coping. Not everything is about or a reflection of you. But objecting to the Land O Lakes maiden (completely respectful/complimentary) or 'Cherokee' strains credibility. There's a Harrah's Cherokee Casino in Cherokee NC; yes- it's part of the Eastern Cherokee Nation but what about a casino is remotely cultural?

How many manufacturing jobs US lost in the last 30-40 years because corporations choose profits by moving manufacturing overseas and investing nothing here. Incentive means nothing because greed always wins, especially when it comes to corporations and upper management. Honda is using at least 60-70% percent US made parts in the cars they assemble here. How come Honda can design and assemble in US with majority of US parts a better product than GM can do in China for the same money?

That's a very good question @ykX, I'm leaning more towards what the better end product is. I think, in this scenario, I would be more likely to support the MDX with American workers but foreign corporation. A big part of the equation is that I'm not a fan of the union jobs the D3 suffer through but also the fact that they moved the jobs overseas to avoid those crappy unions, they themselves are admitting they don't like them either.

Honestly, I think Drew covered it best as just narrowing down to the choices you’ve given is too simplistic although I get what you were going for here. It is a very complicated situation in that regard.

Today would have been my dads 76th birthday so in honor of his love of music (and especially this band), I spun this on the old record player.

I love steam trains, sneaking one in here.

Also, running for bigger corporate profits is what caused US to loose so many manufacturing jobs to begin with.

For the Envision vs RDX, I'd have to go with the RDX as it is an Ohio-built product. Though I'd take the MDX over the RDX.

^ 1971 Corvette C3 ^ Musta been a battery-electric conversion with broadcast engine sounds; internal combustion cars aren't that quick.

Personally, I could care less about corporate taxes. I think good paying US manufacturing jobs support US economy much more than corporate taxes, which each company tries to pay as little as possible (and I am sure GM is using every loophole possible).

My question to the "patriots" on this forum, which is preferable: The Envision is build in China, so buying it you are supporting Chinese workers but profits go to GM in US. Or Acura RDX is built in Ohio, so by buying it you will support thousands of American jobs in US but the profits will go to Japan.

Sums up everyones political thoughts at the moment I think Zappa is right... Maybe Robert Hall has a point with Dogs...

Real enthusiasts still value the fun factor of manual transmission! 70% of Porsche 911 GT3 Buyers In the US Bought the Manual Transmission 70% of Porsche 911 GT3 Buyers In the US Bought the Manual Transmission (thedrive.com) The Porsche 911 GT3 has always been one of the brand's most fun-to-drive track day specials, and for many drivers, there is no substitute for a manual transmission. Porsche's decision to put a manual transmission back into the 911 GT3 paid off far more than the brand expected, especially in the United States, where the take rate for the last-generation manual GT3 was 70%. While many armchair stats-fiends love to argue that the double-clutch gearbox is faster, the 911 GT3's six-speed manual is simply more fun to a lot of people who don't mind losing that fraction of a second at every corner on track. (You can't win the track day, Dickie Speedmaster.)

Name: 2021 Chevy Camaro LT1 Category: Vehicles Date Added: 2020-12-17 Submitter: Olds Guy 2021 Chevy Camaro LT1

I understand that, but without China, Buick goes the way of Oldsmobile and Pontiac. Unfortunately, not every GM product is built here with US-made parts. As already stated, some Toyotas and Hondas (such as the CR-V and RDX) have more US/Canadian parts content than the new Envision. Making this decision rather hard in some cases. The Car and Driver article linked earlier mentioned that the Envision is actually cheaper than the Corsair and the QX50. Whether it is better to get one of those (or an RDX or an XT4 or a CX-5) is another question.

Acura RDX is number 14 on a list of vehicles with American parts content, that is admirable, imo. China is clearly a bitter economic adversary of ours. NO WAY I'd consider the Buick, simply for this reason. I think less of gm overall for this product. It is yugely improved over the old one however. I like to believe that out of the major Asian auto-producing nations, South Korea is most friendly toward the US. Nissan has a yuge presence in Tennessee, that is a plus for me. Honda/Acura have long-established bases here as well. Toyota too. I wish the US were as protective of her industries as Europe and Asia are. As a nation, we give away way too much, at our own, longterm economic peril, imo.

Gotta Love a Firebird. Need one say anything more? Cobra anyone! Cool Project, a 1964 GMC Suburban with a modern day Duramax Diesel power train. BangShift.com 1964 GMC Suburban

Small block Ford...

I would lean towards the Envision over an Acura in this instance, but ultimately would have to automatically bow out of a 49% GM / 51% Chinese company vehicle and skateboard instead. More generally, I will always go with an American corporation over a foreign one. Ram is out for me because: Stellantis<FCA<daimler-Chrysler. Point of assembly is a much more tertiary point with me (and China-assembled is a HUGE strike in my book).

My cynical side sees this is as an attempt at a shakedown of Stellantis..

I would take the RDX. Actually neither, as I don't find either of them all that appealing. But American blue collar jobs for the win.

Is he only asking because he's not getting a cut? Jeep undoubtedly has a legal copyright on the nameplate; they're not bound by anything legal to drop the name. I hope they don't, and the Cherokee Nation rep sees the issue more clearly. I've certainly heard polar opposite opinions from native Americans RE like symbolism. I tend to agree with that side, which has expressed it that cancelling any symbolism feels like 'eradicating' the culture all over again; as long as it's not openly derogatory, it's better than being invisible.

True, but you do have to have local profits to offer jobs building modern products. Best is to have American made products from raw material to finished products.

I love this album...

Excellent. I will Monday, supposed to rain all weekend.

FFA day at a friend's school, he is the principal.... This might honestly be the favorite thing I have seen on C and G in my 14 years here. Amazing. One more FFA pic... Okay I lied, love the CASE!

Actually in every case I actually prefer the cheaper alternative....even if they were the same price. Good to know... Strange enough, i could see people actually thinking like this.

Seems strange even to me to think of Merc in its own store. We've all probably seen claims which portray older generations as a lot tougher than more recent ones. In a lot of ways I believe that's true (for better or worse). Anyway, I thought of that when I happened upon this pic from 1936 :

There is one glaring criteria though that MOST politicians share: disingenuous, lying sacks of shyte.

You have to have a license to plant a bush for a homeowner, but there is no aptitude test or licensing to be a politician.

Speaking of Cougars w/ Coyotes, found this today--Ring Brothers custom...that Coyote V8 is stuffed in there, looks like they reworked the inner fenders and front suspension (the original shock towers long gone). Love the color combo, very tasteful resto-mod, IMO. https://www.autoblog.com/2021/02/25/ringbrothers-mercury-cougar-restomod/#slide-2298758

I know I have heard of the group before, but I didnt know if I knew any of their "songs"... Turns out I am familiar with at least 2. I was inspired to find out when I read Balthy was inspired to found out who they were. With the being said...

Sorry, I like the original name.......

It's definitely kind of murky and complicated for many vehicles.. my Jeep is a good example..it has some German ancestry, built in the US by an Italian-American company, engine built in Mexico, various parts from all over no doubt. I'm not sure I'd want a US built German car, I'd rather have one built in Germany than Alabama I think.

Which is why I bought the Ranger and use American made machines in my workshop. Agreed. I agree here. Plus, working people spend money that stimualtes the economy. It is for me. I would upvote this a million times if I could. Which is why I like motorcycles and woodworking tools more than most modern vehicles. Chevy Trail Boss for the win though....that is badass.

It's factory appearing.

Denali and Biscayne are GM names, so those wouldn't work, Zion seems religious. I'd like Cuyahoga after my local national park, but don't see that happening. It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this...Cherokee has been a Jeep name for 45+ years, and it's never been used offensively. They have used Western regional names before for trim levels like Laredo. Aspen would be a good name. Rainer would be good, no one likely remembers the Buick SUV. it's too bad Chevy uses Colorado; that would be the PERFECT Jeep SUV name, IMO. I could see them taking one of the current trim levels and promoting it to a model name--Overland. Has a lot of history with Jeep, and fits the rugged off road image. I could see the Cherokee becoming the Overland, and the GC becoming the Grand Overland. They could then have Grand Overland Laredo, Grand Overland Limited, Grand Overland Summit, etc...

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Lordstown isn’t going to make it long-term.

Getting into some goodies but oldies movie music. This is an actual song that was a one hit wonder and the drummer eventually took his now wife and moved to the San Juan islands and too this day still runs one of the best Drummer schools in the world. Great history and music, worth the watch! That Thing You Do! (1996) - IMDb

Looks much better but still made in China, kind of a deal breaker no? When it is so easy to purchase a vehicle made elsewhere.