vonVeezelsnider

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It makes sense.

And PCS isn't the only one. My Dad who's owned six Pontiacs since 1975 has given up on them too. We saw a G8 at a dealer a while back. He told me that between the poor fuel economy of the GMC Acadia and that 'terrible' G8, he'll only set foot in a B-P-G Dealer for a Buick car because they're 'getting it right'. He said that it didn't look like a Pontiac, that it was ugly inside and out, that the Upholstery quality was crap, and that RWD just will not cut it (bearing in mind he almost bought a Slate Metallic 2007 Grand Prix GT last fall). The only thing nice he had to say about it was it had a big back seat. I guess it didn't help that it was the same shade of blue as my Cavalier. It's a sin to make the damn thing so heavy and without AWD too. Pontiac cannot be saved by making a rebadged Holden Commodore in wild colors. I don't even consider it to be a Pontiac because it just isn't. Just because its clone is sold on another continent doesn't make it okay. It doesn't have any Pontiac DNA in it at all, only the G6 Coupe and Solstice do nowadays. It's this life-force of sorts that flows through a Pontiac, you can feel it just by looking at one. It's really hard to explain. Even with its bad proportions, "wrong wheel drive" and overhangs, the GP still evokes this sort of thing with me when I see one- from its greenhouse to the fact that it actually looks "Wide Track" (even with its Enterprise Sticker). This leads me to believe that Pontiac's salvation lies in building Pontiacs not Chevies or Holdens. I'm not saying we all go back to the W-Bod, but at least invest some time and money into the thing because as far as I'm concerned it's a hack-job as it is now, just as bad as the G5 or G3 or Torrent. Just because it has RWD and an optional V8 doesn't give it a pass for this transgression in my books.

.....Isn't half bad! (From a distance at least) I'm really hoping we get this car in North America (well the Delta II one)... I mean all the current one needs is the 2.2L VVT a 6AT. It's already got Nav and a nice interior...

It's working for me now... I'm in.

Corvair is a damaged name and would never come back, thank Ralph Nader for that. I'd love to have it called Monza more than anything else.

They've only announced this for like six months.

Not in this household they're not.

Bingo! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScoW9KveKqY&feature=user Watch starting at 5:30 :wink:

I wouldn't know, I've only seen a few episodes, but in one of them it was definitely an F1 Firebird in Yellow. The others, yes he has a GTO convertible, but Healy's Firebird was that greeny-blue color I believe.

Reg, I'm with ya on this one, I'm really a big fan of the new Focus.

I Dream of Jeannie, Played by Larry Hagman, and it was a Yellow F1 Firebird

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*bump* It's working for me again... Anyone up for it?

Yup.... Stab it to death I hate it. I'd even be okay if it just got merged into Opel instead of this current money sucking marionette routine. Saab may be useless in NA but their sales are strong in Europe and Russia in particular (an emerging market). Their R&D Dpt. is indispensable within General Motors as well. I surmise the reason that Saabs are still sold in NA is because it would be more costly to close and pay off their fairly independent dealer network (Unlike Canada where they A) Do reasonably well and B) are grouped with Saturn) than any money they would save in the short-to-midterm financial books. Long Story Short, GM is a Bloated Fat Man in desperate need of liposuction. That Means we sell Hummer to some enterprising Indian company. It also means that redundancies need to be cracked down upon. It would be easier to get rid of GMC and Hummer than any others. There's lots of dealers in the US and even more in Canada with Pontiac as an Anchor chain. This is somewheres along the lines of how many Indie Olds dealers there were in the States in 1999 (It was C-O-C in Canada). Dealers in the USA might do okay if they had Saturn mixed with Buick but in Canada, where 1/2 of the dealers are BPG dealers, they would be DECIMATED. Put Buick with Saturn up here (Saturn sells worse up here) and give them that utterly pants-on-head retarded pricing policy and Buick's value goes away INSTANTLY. And frankly, on Pontiac. Few Pontiacs have ever really appealed to me since the year 2000 (1996-1999 Bonne, Trans Sport and that's about it). I'd be sad to see the brand go, but I wouldn't feel even close to how I felt about Oldsmobile's demise. Olds had a glimmer of hope if Saturn was put down, Pontiac has withered on the vine. No new product in the pipeline. An EP-1 G6 that goes through 2013!!! Look, if all Pontiac is gonna get is cars like the Torrent, G5 and G3 may as well put it down. Like I Said Before 1) Merge Saturn, Holden into Opel 2) Have some sort of combination of Chev-Buick-Caddy dealers or Chev-Opel and Buick-Cadillac separated. Maybe some Buick-Opel dealers and evaluate which paring seems to work best in different regions of the US in Canada 3) Sell Hummer, Recede Saab to Europe, Put Pontiac out of its Misery, GMC makes commercial trucks, Chevrolet makes consumer ones 4) Focus resources across these four divisions, develop globally applicable products. 5) For the love of god advertise 6) ??????? 7) Profit Alfred Sloan has been dead for quite some time, I don't like to see divisions go, but I love GM, AS A WHOLE. If we keep grasping at straws like gotta have performance, so Pontiac has to stay, GM WILL DIE. ALL OF IT. I'd rather amputate my foot than die of Gangrene, the same is true for General Motors. Pontiac's cheap thrills legacy can be easily personified by Chevrolet, the more refined performance models can be signified in an Alpha Buick and Sig-Zeta CTS. It's time to get serious.

God, I hope the rear deck is a tad longer.

Couldn't have made a better decision IMO!

*Cough* Malibu Maxx *Cough* :AH-HA_wink:

1965 Impala SS Ragtop... My father's first car was not unlike this one.

it looks so naked without fins

Chevy Sedan Delivery

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I'll poke around... they are a no-cost option on the police package. I know some people who might know where to get it.

Wow... Good thing they swapped in the 1.9L Engine, b/c the original made 45 SCREAMING Horsepower.

Make sure you get the rubber trunk kit thingie that the police use now sometimes to prevent it from exploding when rear ended. I can not joke about this, hundreds of good cops with families have died as a result of this defect and I'd just as soon you don't join them. It's been a defect on the Panther platform from year one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTfL5AphtFI It's a pretty nice looking car and it's a good find