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    The Reasons Buick Passed On the Avista


    • There is more to the decision of the Avista not going into production

    As we reported last month, Buick decided not to send the Avista into production. While the reason given at the time was due to not "enough enthusiasm for the concept," we had a sneaking suspicion there was more to that decision.

     

    Sure enough, Automotive News chatted with Buick global brand chief Duncan Aldred who explained the Avista wasn't "a massive opportunity in China." There is also the matter of priorities of which projects should go ahead or not.

     

    "Emotionally, you'd love to build it. I would buy one with my own money and put it in the garage," said Aldred.

     

    "The trouble is, I'm never looking at only one project. I'm always looking at several. I've got to weigh the pros and cons of each. There are some strong contenders in that consideration."

     

    Aldred also confirmed the rumor that the idea of Buick designers planning a four-door version of the Avista. This was first reported by Motor Trend in February

     

    "We looked at that. We've even visualized it. It would look wonderful as a four-door as well," said Aldred.

     

    Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required)

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    Totally understandable.

     

    Lovely auto?HELL YES 

     

    Sell in quantities that could make serious profits? Nope

     

    The days of 2 door coupes are coming to a close as people want 4 doors and the ability to haul family and friends.

     

    Once Buick makes massive profits and is even more stable then they can consider doing low volume break even auto's like what this would probably be.

     

    LOVE the look in that garnet red metallic. :D

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    It is sad but true that companies can not easily sell coupes. You can call GM what ever you like but they are in business to make money and coupes outside the Camaro are a hard sell. 

    When Duncan is presented with a case where he could sell 50,000  2 door Avista models or he could sell 150,000 Coupe styled 4 door versions globally it is a no brainier for someone with his ass on the line. 

    You can call it gutless but it will be profitable and do much better than a coupe. Just look at how many CTS coupes sold and how many had to be discounted that were not V trim. You call it gutless but most people in the real world call it logical. 

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    Agreed with all, and you pretty much knew they wouldn't build it when they showed it.  They make these coupes and convertibles to build excitement for the brand, but then when you never make on, it is a bit of a buzzkill.  I think Cadillac needs a concept looking car more than Buick though.

     

    Avista won't see production because it isn't a crossover.  That was pretty clear from the start.

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    I didn't particularly like the Avista.

     

    However, I am very satisfied with the Buick Lacrosse.

     

    Judging by how the Cascada will not be updated for quite a while, I think the Buick Avista concept was a decent design study.

     

    But they never made a promise or made it a point that it's the next meta. So they're off the hook.
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    exactly that

    it wasn't a priority for China

    Buick is being held together by China 

    If Buick made some nice LONG and WIDE coupes and sedans with V8 and rear wheel drive people would line up in droves and who cares about what China likes or doesn't like

    CAFE regulations? throw in some hybrid options and plug in hybrid options to sooth the balance

    in the mix, add a normally aspirated small block V8 such as a 6.0L or a 6.2L!

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    Well it was not all that long ago people understood the show cars were just that show cars. Few complained that 98% of what was shown at Motorama was never made. Sure bits and parts of many cars did make production in other forms but people played with more reality that these cars were not producible as shown. Today most people are not that smart.

    Second coupes are a hard sell globally anymore.

    Third China loves large and sporty sedans more than even SUV/CUV models so if it were to be built a 4 door version would fit the their market well. It would also lend a good hand for lower volume models here and down under too.

    May want to forget the big V8 engines as we will see more turbo engine along with Hybrid. China needs a smaller engine for taxes as do many other markets anymore.

    The reason this car would have not made production is very clear from the start because it was a coupe. It had no B pillar, it had no ground clearance. The brakes are larger than most tire and wheel packages, the interior was printed, Finally it was made clear it was a show car done buy the design staff not the engineering department. It had little else to do with anything else.

    As noted they are looking officially at a sedan version and that would fit globally and all the brands that are sharing. It also would be a high end car so making money would not be an issue at lower volumes.

    Is the sedan a lock no but it has a better chance.

    God Harley Earl would throw things at some of you because you just don't get what a show car really is. Some of you would complain that the X and Y Jobs of his were never put into production back in the old days.

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    This should surprise no one. The Avista, as sexy as it is should in no way be a production vehicle until Buick and GMC shore up the rest of their line-ups in away that they go directly against their intended competition. Because they are in teh same sales channel.. their budgets are intertwined. The GMC brands needs to get behind the new Acadia and make sure that it is ready to go up against the GC.. while they are at it.. they need a Wrangler competitor.. Buick needs a hatch to compliment the Verano as the Cruze has with its hatch. 

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    The more I think about this and look at the two colored pictures, not sure why but I really like the more masculine Blue version over the Garnet Red.

     

    I think this would sell as a weekend cruiser if they made it with a more powerful VOLT or pure EV powertrain.

     

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    I can see this selling and competing well against Tesla as an EV.

     

    Imagine this as liquid cooled electric motor, 420HP, 560 LB-FT torque motivating this along.

     

    This AMR Racing motor would be perfect to motivate this along and weigthing only a fraction of a traditional petrol engine.

     

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    Agreed with all, and you pretty much knew they wouldn't build it when they showed it.  They make these coupes and convertibles to build excitement for the brand, but then when you never make on, it is a bit of a buzzkill.  I think Cadillac needs a concept looking car more than Buick though.

     

    Avista won't see production because it isn't a crossover.  That was pretty clear from the start.

    Yeah, it sucks when companies like GM and Benz do that.

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    The more I think about this and look at the two colored pictures, not sure why but I really like the more masculine Blue version over the Garnet Red.

     

    I think this would sell as a weekend cruiser if they made it with a more powerful VOLT or pure EV powertrain.

     

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-1.jpg

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-2.jpg

     

    I can see this selling and competing well against Tesla as an EV.

     

    Imagine this as liquid cooled electric motor, 420HP, 560 LB-FT torque motivating this along.

     

    This AMR Racing motor would be perfect to motivate this along and weigthing only a fraction of a traditional petrol engine.

     

    attachicon.gifam-racing-amr-dual-stack-250-90-ac-motor-liquid-cooled-permanent-magnet-remy-1.jpg

     

    But it will never sound as good as a LS engine. 

    Electric and even the Turbo 4 engines as good as they are will never live  up to the sound of a good old V8. Just watch the video of he Venom setting the convertible speed record as it passes by. No Tesla would ever sound that good. 

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    they could do this if they canceled the ATS coupe.  The ATS coupe is the 'second ever G6' in terms of looks.....ATS coupe won't sell....but then again neither would this, but the Avista is better looking than the ATS coupe.

     

    both tread on the Camaros property.

     

    Not hardly any market for coupes.  Can't make this a sedan either.....we already have a new Regal and Verano coming.

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    The more I think about this and look at the two colored pictures, not sure why but I really like the more masculine Blue version over the Garnet Red.

     

    I think this would sell as a weekend cruiser if they made it with a more powerful VOLT or pure EV powertrain.

     

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-1.jpg

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-2.jpg

     

    I can see this selling and competing well against Tesla as an EV.

     

    Imagine this as liquid cooled electric motor, 420HP, 560 LB-FT torque motivating this along.

     

    This AMR Racing motor would be perfect to motivate this along and weigthing only a fraction of a traditional petrol engine.

     

    attachicon.gifam-racing-amr-dual-stack-250-90-ac-motor-liquid-cooled-permanent-magnet-remy-1.jpg

     

    But it will never sound as good as a LS engine. 

    Electric and even the Turbo 4 engines as good as they are will never live  up to the sound of a good old V8. Just watch the video of he Venom setting the convertible speed record as it passes by. No Tesla would ever sound that good. 

     

    Hell....I just saw Smokey and the Bandit for the umpteenth and even a horsepower choking crappy 1970s catalytic converter V8 sounds better than all of those engines mentioned, including the modern Chevy LS engine. (but the LS engine DOES sound goooooood) In some scenes, where the Trans Am is idling, you could hear her V8 engine gurgle....what a sound....and no...that is not Industrial Light and Sound Star Wars sound effects, it really was the Trans Am's 400 cubic inch V8 making those wonderful sounds!

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    Oh wait....

    I was  supposed to defend electric motors and agree with Mr DFELT  that a more powerful Bolt powertrain in the Avista coupe or sedan would be the bomb....

     

    OH well....V8s RULE!!!!

     

    Id go as far and say screw the Chevy LS motor in the Avista.

    Bring back that Pontiac 400 motor, add direct injection to it somehow and shoehorn it in the Avista.

    Shyte, shoehorn that in a Camaro, add an Endura nose to it and call it a Trans Am!

     

    THAT is the ONLY way Ill like the Camaro!

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    The more I think about this and look at the two colored pictures, not sure why but I really like the more masculine Blue version over the Garnet Red.

     

    I think this would sell as a weekend cruiser if they made it with a more powerful VOLT or pure EV powertrain.

     

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-1.jpg

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-2.jpg

     

    I can see this selling and competing well against Tesla as an EV.

     

    Imagine this as liquid cooled electric motor, 420HP, 560 LB-FT torque motivating this along.

     

    This AMR Racing motor would be perfect to motivate this along and weigthing only a fraction of a traditional petrol engine.

     

    attachicon.gifam-racing-amr-dual-stack-250-90-ac-motor-liquid-cooled-permanent-magnet-remy-1.jpg

     

    But it will never sound as good as a LS engine. 

    Electric and even the Turbo 4 engines as good as they are will never live  up to the sound of a good old V8. Just watch the video of he Venom setting the convertible speed record as it passes by. No Tesla would ever sound that good. 

     

    Not so sure about that, but this Worlds Fastest Electric Corvette has that lovely Jet sound as it sets a new world record.

     

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    The more I think about this and look at the two colored pictures, not sure why but I really like the more masculine Blue version over the Garnet Red.

     

    I think this would sell as a weekend cruiser if they made it with a more powerful VOLT or pure EV powertrain.

     

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-1.jpg

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-2.jpg

     

    I can see this selling and competing well against Tesla as an EV.

     

    Imagine this as liquid cooled electric motor, 420HP, 560 LB-FT torque motivating this along.

     

    This AMR Racing motor would be perfect to motivate this along and weigthing only a fraction of a traditional petrol engine.

     

    attachicon.gifam-racing-amr-dual-stack-250-90-ac-motor-liquid-cooled-permanent-magnet-remy-1.jpg

     

    But it will never sound as good as a LS engine. 

    Electric and even the Turbo 4 engines as good as they are will never live  up to the sound of a good old V8. Just watch the video of he Venom setting the convertible speed record as it passes by. No Tesla would ever sound that good. 

     

    Not so sure about that, but this Worlds Fastest Electric Corvette has that lovely Jet sound as it sets a new world record.

     

     

    Sorry electric drills and my Dyson V6 vac are just are not sexy sounding either. 

     

    Go to 2:57 and just feel it. 

     

    http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/04/hennessey-venom-gt-spyder-sets-record-for-fastest-convertible-ever-at-256-6-mph-video/

     

    Hmmm 186? So they modified this car to go slower than stock?

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    The more I think about this and look at the two colored pictures, not sure why but I really like the more masculine Blue version over the Garnet Red.

     

    I think this would sell as a weekend cruiser if they made it with a more powerful VOLT or pure EV powertrain.

     

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-1.jpg

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-2.jpg

     

    I can see this selling and competing well against Tesla as an EV.

     

    Imagine this as liquid cooled electric motor, 420HP, 560 LB-FT torque motivating this along.

     

    This AMR Racing motor would be perfect to motivate this along and weigthing only a fraction of a traditional petrol engine.

     

    attachicon.gifam-racing-amr-dual-stack-250-90-ac-motor-liquid-cooled-permanent-magnet-remy-1.jpg

     

    But it will never sound as good as a LS engine. 

    Electric and even the Turbo 4 engines as good as they are will never live  up to the sound of a good old V8. Just watch the video of he Venom setting the convertible speed record as it passes by. No Tesla would ever sound that good. 

     

    Not so sure about that, but this Worlds Fastest Electric Corvette has that lovely Jet sound as it sets a new world record.

     

     

    Sorry electric drills and my Dyson V6 vac are just are not sexy sounding either. 

     

    Go to 2:57 and just feel it. 

     

    http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/04/hennessey-venom-gt-spyder-sets-record-for-fastest-convertible-ever-at-256-6-mph-video/

     

    Hmmm 186? So they modified this car to go slower than stock?

     

    Ive posted this before....

     

    Drills, absolutely have a great sound to them...

    Especially if you are the handyman type.

     

    Very masculine.

     

    Car garage smell with oil and gasoline mixed in  with rubber tire smell and pneumatic tools with V8 engine sounds in the background are akin to hardware store smell with lumber smells mixed in with paint smells and glues with electric tool sounds such as electric saws and drills....

     

    But that is just me, I guess....

    A relic of the past that enjoys being a smelly, hairy, sweaty macho male...

    No, I aint metro sexual...nor am I a slob..

    But...Im well groomed, very well groomed when the occasion calls for it but I still cling on to the old neanderthal stereotypes that require males to be males...

     

    (I aint accusing you of anything....Im just trying to be entertaining...kinda like Tim the Tool-man Taylor for this post)

     

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    :roflmao:

     

    No offense taken guys, I consider myself a manly man and love my V8 Powered AWD Trailblazer SS.

     

    With that said and those that know me know I have all SUVs with V8's. Just the future is cool and I do see us eventually going to EVs. They are cool and in time with tuning and engineers pushing the limits we will see EVs surpass the petrol motor I believe.

     

    Here is my baby all cleaned up for Spring!

     

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    they could do this if they canceled the ATS coupe.  The ATS coupe is the 'second ever G6' in terms of looks.....ATS coupe won't sell....but then again neither would this, but the Avista is better looking than the ATS coupe.

     

    both tread on the Camaros property.

     

    Not hardly any market for coupes.  Can't make this a sedan either.....we already have a new Regal and Verano coming.

     

    It could be a larger premium rwd awd sedan with coupe like styling., 

     

    Lets face it at a higher price and RWD it would appeal to a different segment and could be sold in lower volumes. This is no different than the Impala going to an Alpha and the Malibu covering the volume in the mid size FWD.  The Lacrosse is the major problem but even there two different segments. Lose the FWD impala and keep the Lacrosse and it would gain sales there. 

     

    Also make the Alvita sedan a Opel, Vauxhaull and Holden using the same platform as the Impala and TT V6.

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    The more I think about this and look at the two colored pictures, not sure why but I really like the more masculine Blue version over the Garnet Red.

     

    I think this would sell as a weekend cruiser if they made it with a more powerful VOLT or pure EV powertrain.

     

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-1.jpg

    attachicon.gifBuick-Avista-2.jpg

     

    I can see this selling and competing well against Tesla as an EV.

     

    Imagine this as liquid cooled electric motor, 420HP, 560 LB-FT torque motivating this along.

     

    This AMR Racing motor would be perfect to motivate this along and weigthing only a fraction of a traditional petrol engine.

     

    attachicon.gifam-racing-amr-dual-stack-250-90-ac-motor-liquid-cooled-permanent-magnet-remy-1.jpg

     

    But it will never sound as good as a LS engine. 

    Electric and even the Turbo 4 engines as good as they are will never live  up to the sound of a good old V8. Just watch the video of he Venom setting the convertible speed record as it passes by. No Tesla would ever sound that good. 

     

    Hell....I just saw Smokey and the Bandit for the umpteenth and even a horsepower choking crappy 1970s catalytic converter V8 sounds better than all of those engines mentioned, including the modern Chevy LS engine. (but the LS engine DOES sound goooooood) In some scenes, where the Trans Am is idling, you could hear her V8 engine gurgle....what a sound....and no...that is not Industrial Light and Sound Star Wars sound effects, it really was the Trans Am's 400 cubic inch V8 making those wonderful sounds!

     

    Sorry to burst your bubble but generally in many scenes the sound were dubbed and in many others the engine in the car was not as you would call a Catalytic choked 70's engine. 

    You may want to note too that the close up car had a auto but in many shots you can see them shifting gears with a standard. 

     

    I am a disciple of the movie and know well many of the things they did. Hal spoke at many Pontiac meets telling things about the cars from the movie. 

    Might note the last shot of the car coming down the hill at the race to deliver the beer. That was the last car they had left and the engine was blown. They coasted down the hill to get into the shot. 

    I even keep a copy of the movie on my Phone you sumbitch! 

     

    Sorry I had to use that some where. At least I did not use Moose Prick. LOL! 

     

    At one point they installed an engine from  NASCAR. Hal had some friends there and ended up owning a team there after this movie. I think the car that made the bridge jump has a NASCAR Chevy engine in it at the time. 

    :roflmao:

     

    No offense taken guys, I consider myself a manly man and love my V8 Powered AWD Trailblazer SS.

     

    With that said and those that know me know I have all SUVs with V8's. Just the future is cool and I do see us eventually going to EVs. They are cool and in time with tuning and engineers pushing the limits we will see EVs surpass the petrol motor I believe.

     

    Here is my baby all cleaned up for Spring!

     

    attachicon.gif20160402_141728.jpg

     

    Well you can hold onto you man card for now.....>>But we are watching you!!!! LOL! 

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    I for one am disappointed with the news that the Buick Avista is not being seriously considered for production. It is s beautiful design and really drew a lot of attention to the Buick display at the NYIAS. Additionally, it breathes new life into Buick. It shows that Buick isn't your father's (or grandfather's) car anymore. The new 2017 LaCrosse and Encore are great looking Buicks, the Envision has potential, and we're waiting to see the next generation Verano, Enclave, and Regal. I think a halo coupe like the Avista would add a vehicle in that white space we hear so much about. The Cascada is a nice car, but not everyone will want a convertible and I'd rather have an Avista Coupe instead.

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    We'll after the hail storm in texas, I would want the Coupe more than ever over a convertible!

     

     

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      Based on initial estimates, GM’s retail market share jumped 0.3 percentage points in November to 16.8 percent.  GM has gained retail market share in 17 of the past 20 months.
      GM’s four U.S. brands posted strong retail sales results in November compared to last year.
      Chevrolet — up 5 percent for its best November since 2004 Buick — up 22 percent for its best November since 2003 GMC — up 9 percent for its best November since 2001 Cadillac — up 17 percent for its best November since 2013 GM’s total U.S. sales in November were 252,644 vehicles, up more than 10 percent from last year.   All four brands outperformed the industry in November with Buick, Cadillac and GMC posting double-digit gains.
      “GM’s November performance reflects the continued strength of our U.S. business.  We gained profitable retail share, commercial and small business deliveries were strong and we commanded the industry’s best average transaction prices,” said Kurt McNeil, GM’s vice president of U.S. Sales Operations. “We are ahead of plan selling down our 2016 model year inventory and we expect to close out December with more retail share growth. GM is heading into 2017 in a position of strength with the planned launch of key new products, like the all-new Chevrolet Equinox, into the heart of the market.” 
      GM’s ATPs, which reflect retail transaction prices after sales incentives, were $35,767 in November, more than $4,000 above the industry average and ahead of last November. 

      Through the first 11 months of the year, GM’s U.S. retail sales were up nearly 2 percent compared to last year. GM gained 0.5 percentage points of U.S. retail market share during that timeframe, the largest retail share gain of any full-line automaker. Year to date, Chevrolet U.S. retail sales are up nearly 3 percent and the brand’s retail share has grown 0.5 percentage points to 11.1 percent. Chevrolet continues to be the U.S. industry’s fastest-growing brand.
      Year to date, Buick retail deliveries have grown more than 5 percent and Buick has gained 0.1 percentage points of retail share.
      GM continues to benefit from a strong U.S. economy and strong retail demand for its products.
      “All economic indicators show significantly improved optimism about the U.S. economy including consumer and business sentiment, which continue to drive a very healthy U.S. auto industry,” said Mustafa Mohatarem, GM’s chief economist. “We believe the U.S. auto industry is well-positioned for sales to continue at or near record levels into 2017.”
      November 2016 Retail Sales and Business Highlights vs. November 2015 (except as noted)

      Chevrolet
      Malibu and Volt were up 24 percent and 25 percent, respectively. Silverado and Colorado were up 5 percent and 39 percent, respectively. Suburban, Tahoe, Equinox and Trax were up 6 percent, 12 percent, 7 percent and 47 percent, respectively. Malibu had its best November since 1997. Silverado had its best November since 2003. Colorado had its best November since 2004. Trax, Volt and Equinox had their best November ever. Tahoe and Suburban had their best November since 2007. 17th straight month of year over year gains for Chevrolet full-size utilities. GMC
      Sierra and Canyon were up 14 percent and 43 percent, respectively. Acadia, Yukon and Yukon XL were up 4 percent, 22 percent and 19 percent, respectively. Brand ATP was at $43,887, the highest November on record. Highest November ever for Denali penetration, at 27.8 percent. Best November ever for Canyon and ninth month of year over year increases. Yukon and Yukon XL had their best November since 2007. Buick
      Regal and Encore were up 41 percent and 35 percent, respectively. 68 percent of sales were crossovers. Best year to date retail performance since 2005. Cadillac
      Escalade was up 24 percent and had its best month of the year. Escalade had its best November since 2007. XT5 had its best month since launch with sales up 12 percent over last month and up 27 percent over the SRX last November, the vehicle it replaced. Year to date ATP was $53,690, the highest ever in Cadillac history Average Transaction Prices (ATP)/Incentives (based on JD Power PIN estimates)
      GM’s ATPs, which reflect retail transaction prices after sales incentives, were $35,767 in November, more than $4,000 above the industry average. In November, GM’s incentive spending as a percent of ATP was 13.7 percent, above the industry average of 12.4 percent. However, year to date, GM’s incentive spending was 11.7 percent, slightly above the industry average of 11.4 percent and well below the incentive spending of its domestic competitors and many of its global competitors. Fleet and Commercial
      Automotive Fleet magazine named Malibu “Fleet Car of the Year”. GM Fleet sales were up 19 percent versus last November. Fleet sales were 22 percent of GM’s sales for the month. Commercial deliveries were up 11 percent for the month and it was the best November Commercial sales since 2008. Malibu Commercial deliveries were up 170 percent versus last November. Small Business deliveries were up 15 percent for the month versus last November, driven by large vans, which were up 93 percent and large pickups, which were up 16 percent versus last November. Federal government sales were up 9 percent versus last November. Rental sales were up 27 percent versus last November but are down 25 percent CYTD, according to plan. GM’s outlook on its daily rental sales mix remains in the 11 percent range of total U.S. sales for 2016 and daily rental sales for the year are expected to be down about 75,000 vehicles. Industry Sales
      GM estimates that the seasonally adjusted annual selling rate (SAAR) for light vehicles in November was approximately 17.9 million units. On a calendar year-to-date basis, GM estimates the light-vehicle SAAR was 17.5 million units.
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