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    Cadillac XT6 Gets $53,690 Starting Price

      Now a less expensive way to get a 3-row Cadillac

    Currently, the least expensive way to get into a 3-row Cadillac was to pony up $76 kilo-dollars for a base Cadillac Escalade. Even then, check too many boxes on the option sheet and the price could easily head well into the $80k range.  When the Cadillac XT6 hits dealership later in couple months, that line in the sand will fall by over $20k.

    Cadillac will begin taking orders on the XT6 later this month with a base price starting at $53,690. That gets you a front-wheel drive Premium Luxury model.  The XT6 Sport with standard all-wheel drive starts at $58,090 (including destination charge for both).

    All XT6 models are powered by a 3.6 liter V6 producing 310 hp and a 9-speed automatic transmission shifting power to the wheels.  Active fuel management and Start/Stop are standard.  The Sport model features standard Continuous Damping Control suspension.

    You can read more about the Cadillac XT6 from our coverage of the reveal at the 2019 Detroit Auto Show.

     

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    This is growing on me and I am excited that they are adding models to the lineup. Pricing seems inline with the industry and should help deliver more sales to the Cadillac dealerships.

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    The looks are growing on me too.... I'm just disappointed with the interior.  It's not up to the level of design sophistication as the Aviator is... even if you don't like the styling of the Aviator's interior, it is a much more complex and interesting design to look at.  The XT6 is rather generic. 

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The looks are growing on me too.... I'm just disappointed with the interior.  It's not up to the level of design sophistication as the Aviator is... even if you don't like the styling of the Aviator's interior, it is a much more complex and interesting design to look at.  The XT6 is rather generic. 

    Having just been in an XT5 for the week as the dealership fixed my SS as the starter died at 150K miles, I will say that the interior design is very subdued and yet very easy to use and relaxing.

    I am very interested in seeing how sales of the Aviator and this XT6 does in the marketplace. Will be interesting to see how the public receives these two CUVs and their contrasting interiors.

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    Let us hear how cramped the interior is on the XT5. 

    Just kidding, it's a GM. You don't trash it. You don't have the nuts to be honest about it. 😘

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    35 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Let us hear how cramped the interior is on the XT5. 

    Just kidding, it's a GM. You don't trash it. You don't have the nuts to be honest about it. 😘

    Nope the XT5 interior I can get into but no one can sit behind me. Lucky for me, the wife drove it all week long and when we went out together, drove the Escalade.

    😘 Right back at ya!!! 

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    An Audi Q7 starts at $53,550, granted with a turbo 4, but it is a much nicer vehicle than the XT6.   XT6 is $6k cheaper than an X5, but again, X5 is a much nicer vehicle.  The Acura MDX starts at $45k, I feel like that should have been Cadillac's target with this.

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    A coworker has a Q-something i have been in a couple times.  I have no idea why it's considered so nice inside.  But that one is black inside.  Still, The XT5 interior is highly dependent on trim and color to leave an impression and the XT6 interior is very similar.  Caddy shoulda done better

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    46 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    A coworker has a Q-something i have been in a couple times.  I have no idea why it's considered so nice inside.  But that one is black inside.  Still, The XT5 interior is highly dependent on trim and color to leave an impression and the XT6 interior is very similar.  Caddy shoulda done better

    Is there any ONE thing that Cadillac should do that Audi, BMW, Benz, Lexus etc.?

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    F**K That!!! I mean the BS stupidity that says that this 2020 Cadillac XT6 Priced from $53,690 should be cheaper than the Aviator. Why? Why should it be? Cadillac is no longer needing to discount to prove itself. Lincoln does. Lets not forget that in the eyes of the public.. Lincoln may as well not even exist. Furthermore most of the public has a perception of Lincoln that is AT BEST.. on par with Buick. Actually lower in many minds. Even the Navigator doesn't elicit the same respect one would think it should be the pre-cursor of the might Cadillac Escalade. Cadillac shouldn't even be still offering a base or lux model of the CT6. It should be Premium Lux, Platinum, V. 

    What makes RWD so great in these CUVs? Really.. what's the advantage in COST? TTV6 as a standard??? Who is your audience? I've gone on record saying that the Cadillac XT6 and 5 need to have a TTV6 OPTION.. but a base?? The 2.0L or 3.6L are the way to go in this category. Why? Because women are the effing buyers. And By and By the women in this segment could care less about what the so called ENTHUSIASTS want. They (women) just don't normally give a damn and ENTHUSIASTS don't normally buy new cars. 

    I don't hear this BS when so many of U praise VOLVO.. and their X90 that starts off at $47K but gives U a blazing 250HP and FWD. In fact.. with that vehicle in order to even get to 300HP U spend $56K.. on a effing VOLVO. 

    The more than likely slower Audi Q7 costs $55K with similar HP as the XT6. Why shouldn't Cadillac be priced like the legendary quality of Audi? Oooops.. I didn't mean to include quality in the same sentence as AUDI.

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    23 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    What makes RWD so great in these CUVs? Really.. what's the advantage in COST? TTV6 as a standard??? Who is your audience? I've gone on record saying that the Cadillac XT6 and 5 need to have a TTV6 OPTION.. but a base?? The 2.0L or 3.6L are the way to go in this category. Why? Because women are the effing buyers. And By and By the women in this segment could care less about what the so called ENTHUSIASTS want. They (women) just don't normally give a damn and ENTHUSIASTS don't normally buy new cars. 

    I don't hear this BS when so many of U praise VOLVO.. and their X90 that starts off at $47K but gives U a blazing 250HP and FWD. In fact.. with that vehicle in order to even get to 300HP U spend $56K.. on a effing VOLVO. 

    The more than likely slower Audi Q7 costs $55K with similar HP as the XT6. Why shouldn't Cadillac be priced like the legendary quality of Audi? Oooops.. I didn't mean to include quality in the same sentence as AUDI.

    The same thing that makes RWD sedans better, makes RWD SUV's better.

    2.0L base is fine, the Q7 and GLE do that as do others, Cadillac didn't, but that V6 is weak as hell compared to a German 6.  So I agree there needs to be a TT V6 option on XT5 and XT6.  

    The Volvo XC90 has a pretty good interior, I don't think German level, but the XT6 appears to be more Acura MDX level of an interior, not even Volvo level, but I am only judging off pictures, I haven't been in an XT6 although I have been in all the others I mentioned.   The Volvo looks better than the XT6, the XT6 isn't a good looking vehicle, I think a lot of praise for the Volvo comes from the looks.

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    11 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The same thing that makes RWD sedans better, makes RWD SUV's better.

    2.0L base is fine, the Q7 and GLE do that as do others, Cadillac didn't, but that V6 is weak as hell compared to a German 6.  So I agree there needs to be a TT V6 option on XT5 and XT6.  

    The Volvo XC90 has a pretty good interior, I don't think German level, but the XT6 appears to be more Acura MDX level of an interior, not even Volvo level, but I am only judging off pictures, I haven't been in an XT6 although I have been in all the others I mentioned.   The Volvo looks better than the XT6, the XT6 isn't a good looking vehicle, I think a lot of praise for the Volvo comes from the looks.

    All opinion.. and to be honest I thinking your opinion isn't worth $h!. The interior of the XT6, if it is on XT5 Premium Lux or Platinum levels is better than many of the German ones. Sorry. The 3.6L corporate V6 is actually a damn fine engine. When Turbocharged it becomes even more so. f@#kk Germany. f@#kk German cars. f@#kk those who like them

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    8 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    All opinion.. and to be honest I thinking your opinion isn't worth $h!. The interior of the XT6, if it is on XT5 Premium Lux or Platinum levels is better than many of the German ones. Sorry. The 3.6L corporate V6 is actually a damn fine engine. When Turbocharged it becomes even more so. f@#kk Germany. f@#kk German cars. f@#kk those who like them

    You can say all that but an A6 or E-class is nicer than an Escalade, so if Cadillac wants to compete with those Germans, they better step their interior game up.  This isn't new, it has been going on for 20 years and it is largely why Cadillac is where they are, and why Audi, BMW and Mercedes are where they are.

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    But if we only **** those who like German cars... Then those people will be the ones that have successors and continue to perpetuate. We should only **** the American car patriots and then we will all buy American Cars.

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    Just 6 inches too short... This was supposed to be placed on the 120" WB, Traverse Platform (204" overall length). Instead, it's just an Acadia. Fail. Lost me as a buyer. I guess I'm going to look at the Traverse High Country or Red Line.

     

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    16 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    An Audi Q7 starts at $53,550, granted with a turbo 4, but it is a much nicer vehicle than the XT6.   XT6 is $6k cheaper than an X5, but again, X5 is a much nicer vehicle.  The Acura MDX starts at $45k, I feel like that should have been Cadillac's target with this.

    Beat me to it. The Q7, even in 2.0T form, will embarrass this thing. Step up a few grand more to the blow V6, and forget about it.

    Another overpriced, poor value, badge-engineered GM product. What a shame. 

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    It looks ok,  However,  how is that going to be  better than lets say Acadia Denali that tops out under the price of XT6?

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    16 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    An Audi Q7 starts at $53,550, granted with a turbo 4, but it is a much nicer vehicle than the XT6.   XT6 is $6k cheaper than an X5, but again, X5 is a much nicer vehicle.  The Acura MDX starts at $45k, I feel like that should have been Cadillac's target with this.

    Ugh, the MDX is dated and due for a refresh but performance wise it probably easily outdoes this and probably the two row GM CUV's ("Camaro" Blazer) with this engine as well.

     

     

     

     

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    The vertical head lights were the best design elements of Cadillac. Why abandon it for the Mazda look?

    Powertrain wise, the XT5 and XT6 as Cadillac SUVs deserve to have the 310hp/348 lb-ft (L3B) 2.7T Inline-4 as the base engine and the 404hp/400lb-ft (LGW) 3.0TT V6 as the upgrade. GM should leave the LGX V6 for the likes of the Traverse and Acadia.

    Product wise Mary Barra is a moron. This is another example of why administrators cannot lead, and must not lead, product driven businesses. Tim Cook is another example. You can have a pussy or be a homo, that's just fine. But you cannot have no product vision and forte. There aren't many ills in a car company that a good product line won't fix. And, there aren't many ills which can be fixed through good governance and logistics when the product sucks!

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    42 minutes ago, jry said:

    Just 6 inches too short... This was supposed to be placed on the 120" WB, Traverse Platform (204" overall length). Instead, it's just an Acadia. Fail. Lost me as a buyer. I guess I'm going to look at the Traverse High Country or Red Line.

     
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    Probably going to be an XT7 to fill your wish anyway

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    13 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    All opinion.. and to be honest I thinking your opinion isn't worth $h!. The interior of the XT6, if it is on XT5 Premium Lux or Platinum levels is better than many of the German ones. Sorry. The 3.6L corporate V6 is actually a damn fine engine. When Turbocharged it becomes even more so. f@#kk Germany. f@#kk German cars. f@#kk those who like them

    LOL at thinking Cadillac makes any interior that even remotely approaches the German cars in their segment. That is hilarious. And then the whole FWD vs RWD thing......just comical. You're so drunk off the Kool-Aid it's sad.

    Also, Lincoln is embarrassing Cadillac with their recent offerings. Navi upshows Esclade. Aviator blows this thing out of the water. All Lincoln needs now is a few proper RWD sedans. Cadillac's time is up. They tried to be an American BMW and it failed. Now they're resorting back to their 'old GM' tricks of slapping the Caddy crest on everything. They're not even trying at this point.

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    2 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    LOL at thinking Cadillac makes any interior that even remotely approaches the German cars in their segment. That is hilarious. And then the whole FWD vs RWD thing......just comical. You're so drunk off the Kool-Aid it's sad.

    Actually, Cadillac interiors are just fine. Better than BMW's in many areas actually -- especially BMW's base trim examples. YOu have to be drunk off cool-aid to think that all German interiors are superlative. Again, this is particularly true of the plastic adorned BMW examples. MB does better, but MB also has dubious design elements like the silly iPad on dash infotainment displays.

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    3 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

    Actually, Cadillac interiors are just fine. Better than BMW's in many areas actually -- especially BMW's base trim examples. YOu have to be drunk off cool-aid to think that all German interiors are superlative. Again, this is particularly true of the plastic adorned BMW examples. MB does better, but MB also has dubious design elements like the silly iPad on dash infotainment displays.

    No, they are not. They are a joke. The joke of the entire luxury car segment. They're not on par with BMW or anyone else. They're not on par with the aforementioned and snubbed Volvo, either. 

    The fact that you have to bring up a base model BMW to support your claim with regards to a Caddy SUV that will start @ 55K proves it. 😂

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    1 minute ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    No, they are not. They are a joke. The joke of the entire luxury car segment. They're not on par with BMW or anyone else. They're not on par with the aforementioned and snubbed Volvo, either. 

    The fact that you have to bring up a base model BMW to support your claim with regards to a Caddy SUV that will start @ 55K proves it. 😂

    Look at the base trim on the X5... not impressive at all.

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    Well, Mary Barra has put GM in a better financial place than it has been in at least the last 25 years.  As for needing a product person to be CEO, that might be necessary IF there are no product people elsewhere in GM's C-suite.  A visionary is more required for GM than even Apple, given that Tim Cook was always a supply chain specialist rather than a visionary.

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    57 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Probably going to be an XT7 to fill your wish anyway

    That'll also get one engine choice and you guessed it, n/a 3.6. That'll be anther show stopper! 

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    1 hour ago, dwightlooi said:

    Actually, Cadillac interiors are just fine. Better than BMW's in many areas actually -- especially BMW's base trim examples. YOu have to be drunk off cool-aid to think that all German interiors are superlative. Again, this is particularly true of the plastic adorned BMW examples. MB does better, but MB also has dubious design elements like the silly iPad on dash infotainment displays.

    Compare an XT6 and a BMW X5, there is nothing the Cadillac wins on.  Not styling, not interior, not technology, not performance, nothing.

    44 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

    This vs that.

     

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    The BMW is better and that is probably the worst interior out of Q7 and GLE.  Cadillac interiors are all plastic below the elbow level and the shoe center is plastic and faux leather wrap to cover up whatever GMC Acadia parts are under it.

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    51 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Compare an XT6 and a BMW X5, there is nothing the Cadillac wins on.  Not styling, not interior, not technology, not performance, nothing.

    The BMW is better and that is probably the worst interior out of Q7 and GLE.  Cadillac interiors are all plastic below the elbow level and the shoe center is plastic and faux leather wrap to cover up whatever GMC Acadia parts are under it.

    Actually... it is BMW's interior which is plastic intensive. Everything on the dash that's in beige is plastic. As is everything in charcoal below the arm rest. And this is on the top level trim. On the entry level trim it's vinyl everywhere and the entire upper dash is not even wrapped in anything. The interior is also cluttered and untidy from a design standpoint and the semi-tablet on dash infotainment display -- while not as silly as M-B's -- still looks like an afterthought. Exterior wise, I find the Caddy XT6's styling to be more distinct and "cleaner" than the X5's. The styling opinions are subjective; the qualitative ones are not.

    As I said, I have no problems with the interior. I do preferred the previous gen Caddy styling with the vertical headlights. The one thing I have a problem with is the 3.6 LGX engine -- which is refined enough but weak for the segment and Caddy's positioning. And, as I said, the XT5/6 should offer the excellent 2.7T four cylinder as the base engine with the 3.0TT V6 as the option. The LGX 3.6 can go in the RX350 fighting Buick and the Pilot fighting GMC/Chevys.

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    1 hour ago, riviera74 said:

    Well, Mary Barra has put GM in a better financial place than it has been in at least the last 25 years.  As for needing a product person to be CEO, that might be necessary IF there are no product people elsewhere in GM's C-suite.  A visionary is more required for GM than even Apple, given that Tim Cook was always a supply chain specialist rather than a visionary.

    There are plenty of product people in Apple too. But they are subjugated to a logistics guy who should be running FedEx or something. WTF has come out of Apple that's new and disruptive since Jobs' demise eight years ago? More slippery rounded edge phones with slightly better screens and cameras? Everytime Jobs the magician gave a keynote the world stood still in anticipation; every Tim the boring gives a keynote the world falls asleep. The point is that a car company, like a smart device company, is a product driven business. It must be product driven. The "managers" and "administrators", while necessary to keep the organization in ship shape, should be the supporting cast to the product visionary, not the other way around.

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    15 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

    There are plenty of product people in Apple too. But they are subjugated to a logistics guy who should be running FedEx or something. WTF has come out of Apple that's new and disruptive since Jobs' demise eight years ago? More slippery rounded edge phones with slightly better screens and cameras? Everytime Jobs the magician gave a keynote the world stood still in anticipation; every Tim the boring gives a keynote the world falls asleep. The point is that a car company, like a smart device company, is a product driven business. It must be product driven. The "managers" and "administrators", while necessary to keep the organization in ship shape, should be the supporting cast to the product visionary, not the other way around.

    This +1,000,000,000,000 to the power of 10.

    Totally agree, while not an Apple Fan, Jobs kept people on the edge of their seat with excitement and drove folks to spend money in the Apple Stores and Cell Phone Providers. 

    That is clearly falling off as to why Apple no longer reports cell phone sales.

    Mary has done great for GM in turning a Ship around and is needed to keep it in the black and on course, but she needs to let Product Visionaries drive the rest of the auto business.

    In regards to Auto Visionaries, I am hoping Mary B is doing that and we will all judge it once we see Cadillac's first EV CUV. If it is spacious and luxurious to drive folks into buy, then she is balancing leadership with product driven sales.

    The next 18-24 months are going to be interesting.

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    19 hours ago, regfootball said:

    i was at the auto show locally here yesterday and spent a fair amount of time looking at the Cadillacs on hand.

    Cadillac had great representation in terms of people and examples of their cars.  Since they finally have the new XT4 it seemed like a lot of Cadillac interest from the show attenders, more than recent years IMO.  Most people were looking at the Escalade or XT5 and those looking at the XT5 discovered the XT4.  I have been a bit of a rag on the XT5 but admit that it is probably the core product for Cadillac right now and the one that keeps the doors open the most along with the Escalade.  And so the XT5 is positioned to sell (to the women like mentioned above by someone, c'mon this is the truth).  Looking at all the competition in one place it is true, the Cadillac interior does lack when compared to nice high end Mercedes and BMW, and then you look at Ford Edges and the like and you understand that Cadillac perceives their best sales volume to be in the squishy zone that is above the mainstream brands but not top tier.  They position their crossovers to blend some perception of luxury but not be exclusive.  I think the XT6 is needed, it's unfortunate its a frankenstein rushed to market with parts bin approach but it is far too clear that crossovers is where the sales volume is, and this is the quick way to solve that for Cadillac.

    Cadillac could and should improve interiors and try to offer something more enticing in the powertrain department than just the 3.6.  Unless Cadillac can feel like they can exclusively compete in the market only in higher priced segments, we will continue to have B grade interiors and common powertrains.  On the higher trim packages the Cadillacs do make a much better impression on interiors so maybe the problem is the base level interiors that they feel they need to keep their base trim vehicles attractively priced.

    EVERYONE at these shows is looking almost entirely at crossovers and trucks.  So you can understand why Cadillac may be wanting to soften the quest for excellence and just try to get stuff out there that sells while the market is scorched earth.  (I would even suggest that Cadillac should consider offering a pickup again).

    I spent a lot of time in this sweet rig yesterday.  Had a nice long conversation with a gentlemen and his very young son (his son proudly said he was 'a Cadillac man too').  Heard some other people talk at length too and ask some of the reps some questions.  One of the reps told someone the CT6 will go on 'haitus' for a year or so in about a year or two and will be 'redesigned'.  Not easy to decipher if that means whole new model or if current model changes plants and gets some cosmetic surgery.  I would have taken this sweet CT6 as is exactly (although i wish it were the twin turbo).  Crystal white plus tan.  oOh yeah.

    People still believe Cadillac is a large sedan brand, despite the Crossover focus, it is still clear Cadillac's stereotype is large crusing sedans.  When they have gotten away from that the last ten years or so like they have that partially explains Cadillac's faltering.  It also explains that I believe to still have a large sedan in the future is critical for brand image, crossovers be darned.  How well Cadillac does this car and the Escalade IMO will do far more to keep Cadillac's image than getting too tricky on the crossovers part.  Crossovers, just give the people what they want and cash the checks.

     

     

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    Nice write up.. I would love to get the person who makes the decisions on what needs to be in Cadillac's trim portfolio, and also what needs to be presented at Auto Shows. I would definitely go at him/her with some Jack Bauer style interrogation methods.. to the point that what I see above never happened again. WHY THE f@#kKK!!! is the BASE interior out on the floor? WHY THE f@#kKK!!! does the base interior even exist? WHY THE f@#kK!!! does Cadillac even care about someone entering into the brand in their, now, sole big car at the"Luxury" car's price? This car, with Premium Lux upgrades is a legitimate 7Series competitor.. with the Platinum and V8.. S-Class competitor.. and even I will admit that it is that last combo that is really what gives it a chance to be on level with the S560.

    THAT is what should have been on the floor when U got to take pics. Softer leather, Suede  headliner.. and so many more WOW qualities that make people WANT to buy. I'm continuously convinced that it is actually not the cars, the engineering.. the design.. the capabilities.. that are lacking at GM, but the IDIOTS that are left to make decisions about the wants and needs of people buying the vehicles. Hell based on the website, U can only get two combinations of color interiors on the Platinum.. but 7 combos on the Premium Lux. That makes sense to who exactly.. and even that U have to play around with. f@#kK moving from Detroit to NYC.. Cadillac actually needs to move to Atlanta or San Fran. I won't say why, but the culture there would add some "flare" to the mix. Being run by men from the mid-west just isn't doing it any favors in the interior department as far as colors.

    This is what should have been on the floor..  to hell with the fingerprints and clean up after

     

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    They have the interiors.. in all of their products.. its just that they have lower trims that house the stuff that gives them a bad name.. and what makes it worse.. the MORON that sends out the press cars.. the ones that get the reviews.. only likes to send out the "Luxury" models so they can advertise that it only cost "$54K." Who the hell are U selling to Cadillac? People who can buy these things with a quip of a signature at the bottom of a check.. or a SOB that is sitting there worried about his 650 Fico not getting him approved for financing? Even if.. EVEN IF!!! U still make him want it so bad he'll do anything to get there.

    That interior above.. is like the one I saw a few weeks ago in a Crystal White CT6 3.0LTT Plat.. I told my guy when that comes in with a TTV8 and a V on the back.. call me. My lady concurred. Her 73 and 70 year old father and mother have a '17 S550 and the Platinum interior is easily on par with it's (the S550) beige interior.. BUT Cadillac seemingly doesn';t want U to kno this🤨

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    Cadillac didn’t even have a display at the Pittsburgh auto show.   I think Cadillac needs to lose some trim levels and just have option packages.  “Platinum” trim is something Ford and Nissan do, why is Cadillac doing that?  Rolls and Bentley don’t have “platinum” or “titanium” type trims.  “Platinum” to me sounds like “Limited” from the 90s and everyone did that.  It screams of cheap.

    As far as interiors go the new BMW X7 is quite nice, I sat in one of those.  

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    5 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Cadillac didn’t even have a display at the Pittsburgh auto show.   I think Cadillac needs to lose some trim levels and just have option packages.  “Platinum” trim is something Ford and Nissan do, why is Cadillac doing that?  Rolls and Bentley don’t have “platinum” or “titanium” type trims.  “Platinum” to me sounds like “Limited” from the 90s and everyone did that.  It screams of cheap.

    As far as interiors go the new BMW X7 is quite nice, I sat in one of those.  

    Cadillac hasn't been at Pittsburgh for a few years.  But that show is run by the dealerships rather than the manufacturers.  Lincoln was there, but not Cadillac.  I don't know why.

    You're definitely on to something about the trim names. Those ones in particular are so overused. 

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    43 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Cadillac hasn't been at Pittsburgh for a few years.  But that show is run by the dealerships rather than the manufacturers.  Lincoln was there, but not Cadillac.  I don't know why.

    You're definitely on to something about the trim names. Those ones in particular are so overused. 

    That's how STL is run as well.. It's a really weak effort, for the most part. I go when I can but there is rarely anything truly NEW there. I remember two vehicles that stood out to me before they were on dealer lots and one was the Challenger and the other was the 2019 Ram 1500. 

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

     I think Cadillac needs to lose some trim levels and just have option packages.  

    I hate your guts.. but I can't believe I'm saying it.. for once in a long time we are of like mind. ARGHH!!!! Who wa sin charge of Cadillac back in 2006 when this whole thing with Platinum came about? This was in fact during the BLING BLING years in Pop culture.. so that explains the metal obsession. U're right tho.. Cadillac should abandon all of this BS and actually steal one more thing from the past and offer packaging. I'd seriously call it SERIES instead of Package. Similar in the way the 7Series can be optioned (Quick point of fact.. the Series Fleetwood 75 in 1976 had a 252.2 in (6,406 mm) Wheel base, meaning its wheelbase was longer than a SUBURBAN in length from bumper to bumper)

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    6 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    They have the interiors.. in all of their products.. its just that they have lower trims that house the stuff that gives them a bad name.. and what makes it worse.. the MORON that sends out the press cars.. the ones that get the reviews.. only likes to send out the "Luxury" models so they can advertise that it only cost "$54K." Who the hell are U selling to Cadillac? People who can buy these things with a quip of a signature at the bottom of a check.. or a SOB that is sitting there worried about his 650 Fico not getting him approved for financing? Even if.. EVEN IF!!! U still make him want it so bad he'll do anything to get there.

    That interior above.. is like the one I saw a few weeks ago in a Crystal White CT6 3.0LTT Plat.. I told my guy when that comes in with a TTV8 and a V on the back.. call me. My lady concurred. Her 73 and 70 year old father and mother have a '17 S550 and the Platinum interior is easily on par with it's (the S550) beige interior.. BUT Cadillac seemingly doesn';t want U to kno this🤨

    Actually, the Cadillac BASE trim interiors are much better than BMW or MB's base trim interiors. It is the Platinum trim levels that does not have the superfluous stuff the competition offers like 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control or external 3D views. From an trim stand point, the Platinum and Premium gets the semi-aniline leather upholstery and open pore wood (or carbon fiber) panels. The BASE gets regular leather and lacquered wood panels. BMW gives you VINYL on the base trims and M-B even makes the arm rest an extra cost option.

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    14 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

    Actually, the Cadillac BASE trim interiors are much better than BMW or MB's base trim interiors. It is the Platinum trim levels that does not have the superfluous stuff the competition offers like 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control or external 3D views. From an trim stand point, the Platinum and Premium gets the semi-aniline leather upholstery and open pore wood (or carbon fiber) panels. The BASE gets regular leather and lacquered wood panels. BMW gives you VINYL on the base trims and M-B even makes the arm rest an extra cost option.

    the plastic on MB has to stop. They just got sued for it in the UK and lost. 

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    5 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

    Actually, the Cadillac BASE trim interiors are much better than BMW or MB's base trim interiors. It is the Platinum trim levels that does not have the superfluous stuff the competition offers like 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control or external 3D views. From an trim stand point, the Platinum and Premium gets the semi-aniline leather upholstery and open pore wood (or carbon fiber) panels. The BASE gets regular leather and lacquered wood panels. BMW gives you VINYL on the base trims and M-B even makes the arm rest an extra cost option.

    II agree. But the truth of the matter is the base trims at Cadillac need to go. They end up working against the brand. Unfortunately Cadillac, the once great leader of luxury, has more to prove to people who would rather ignore them than take notice. Not because they don't offer luxo, but because they fumbled 20 years ago. Think about it. Cadillac was the luxury leader from 1920-1990. I'm not talking just sales.. but in actual luxury. They became complacent, rested on their rep for too long and then just like that.. perfect timing the Foreign brands swooped in and took their crown. No one can take a 1984 Cadillac Seville and then get into a 1984 S-Class and say the Benz was better. But now Cadillac is the "new comer" They have the product, they have the engineering.. they just need to "show constraint here and go full throttle there" FULL THROTTLE means the XT6 shouldn't be a 3.6L even when the actual demo will never use even that 310HP.. It should be the on the shelf 400HP engine. "The 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control" are tacky but.. its opulence.. and that is the epitome of luxury. BTW.. Cadillac does have external surround-view video and recording system

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    9 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    . they just need to "show constraint here and go full throttle there" FULL THROTTLE means the XT6 shouldn't be a 3.6L even when the actual demo will never use even that 310HP.. It should be the on the shelf 400HP engine. "The 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control" are tacky but.. its opulence.. and that is the epitome of luxury. BTW.. Cadillac does have external surround-view video and recording system

    I have said that the XT5/6 deserves to have the 2.7T four as the base engine (or the Eco engine if you want to put a spin on it) an the 3.0TT as the upgrade. As far as the scent dispensers, it is not opulence. It's called a GIMMICK.

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    As one that has allergies and is sensitive to smells like cologne or perfumes, I couldn't imagine having it in a car..ugh. 

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    @Cmicasa the Great and @dwightlooi  ... be glad Cadillac doesn't put its own scent into its cars.  They had a scent developed and they ... unleashed it at the Detroit and LA Auto Shows..... it was like an Axe factory exploded.   Way too strong and didn't even smell great. 

    I think its crazy.. like Dwight said.. a gimmick.. but to many a luxo buyer.. its something that makes their brand seem more luxo. In truth what I do to all my cars, is stick these clips in the bottom blower down by the passenger side foot-well instead of the dash vent. I don't like seeing them and this emits a scent without blasting U in the face

     

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    The idea that Gimmick = Luxury will pass because it is a farce. Instead of stupid stuff like perfume dispensing HVAC, mood lighting with 5 million hues or projectors to put your logo on the ground under the door sill. $500 will buy you Rolls-Royce beating MACHINED aluminum or titanium signal stalks, switch gears and knobs, or CnC carved walnut shift knobs or relieved wooden panels. If you can get that in a $30 Rotring 600 pen you can get 30 pieces all over the cabin. That kind of thing will stand the test of time and it'll still yell exclusivity 30 years later when the only thing coming from the HVAC scent system is the smell of your old socks.

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    6 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Cadillac hasn't been at Pittsburgh for a few years.  But that show is run by the dealerships rather than the manufacturers.  Lincoln was there, but not Cadillac.  I don't know why.

    You're definitely on to something about the trim names. Those ones in particular are so overused. 

    I know it is dealer driven, but I think the only brands missing were Cadillac and Mini, and Smart, which hardly even counts.  And there are plenty of GM dealers in Pittsburgh that supported all the other stuff.

    Cadillac should come up with an interior, and offer an interior upgrade package with better leather, headliner, wood, etc whatever they want to do.  Then you have a cold weather package, a technology/driver assistance package and a sports package with the beefed up suspension, brakes, styling tweaks, etc.  That is 4 packages and you offer those on every engine choice.  You can probably stand alone option upgraded stereo or panoramic roof.

    I am not a fan of trim levels because if you only care about luxury and don't want a sports package or big engine, you should be able to get a 4 cylinder CTS with all the luxury and tech.  Similarly if you want the standard interior and the bigger engine, you shouldn't have to buy lane keeping assist and heated arm rests just because it is on the premium lux package.  Although with a V-series car I would throw most of that stuff in because of the low volume, you don't want 100 configurations to deal with.

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    6 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Cadillac hasn't been at Pittsburgh for a few years.  But that show is run by the dealerships rather than the manufacturers.  Lincoln was there, but not Cadillac.  I don't know why.

    You're definitely on to something about the trim names. Those ones in particular are so overused. 

    That's weird...the Cleveland show had Lincoln and Cadillac...in the same row with Volvo and Mercedes. I don't think any major brands were not not present..

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    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    I am not a fan of trim levels because if you only care about luxury and don't want a sports package or big engine, you should be able to get a 4 cylinder CTS with all the luxury and tech.  Similarly if you want the standard interior and the bigger engine, you shouldn't have to buy lane keeping assist and heated arm rests just because it is on the premium lux package.  Although with a V-series car I would throw most of that stuff in because of the low volume, you don't want 100 configurations to deal with.

    Uh... yeah... you can get the CT6 Premium Luxury with the 2.0T. Nobody bought it though. The problem with packages is that you end up with 30 versions of the car instead of 3 or 4. Some unpopular configurations end up on lots for 2 years and have to be sold at a loss or not at all. One thing you have to understand is that it is not just that the V model is a low volume car. Cadillacs are ALL low volume cars!

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    BTW, here's the BMW Scent cartridge GIMMICK for the 7-series. There are 8 scents to choose from and the car takes two cartridges so you can have different smells programmed for different times of the day or some combo smell from varying the intensity on the two. Each cartridge is $55. They last about 6 months when used moderately. Think of it as a very expensive version of the Glade plug-ins. I am surprised they brand it as BMW Green or Gold No2 or whatever. They should brand it as Chanel No.2 or Christian Dior No.1. Then they can sell it for $300.

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    7 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Quick point of fact.. the Series Fleetwood 75 in 1976 had a 252.2 in (6,406 mm) Wheel base, meaning its wheelbase was longer than a SUBURBAN in length from bumper to bumper

    Easy there, big fella! That's the overall length, not the wheelbase. WB was 151" in '75-76.
    Series 75 was the (factory built) formal sedan / limousine.
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    here's the BMW Scent cartridge GIMMICK for the 7-series


    New client today has a brand new 740. I would say 'I don't want to know a person that would consider a smell cartridge 'important' for their vehicle', tho this woman seems nice so far. If I get on friendly enough terms, I'll ask about the 7series, you hardly see them anymore, esp since BMW has placed all their future stock in their high volume, downmarket lines.

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    10 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Easy there, big fella! That's the overall length, not the wheelbase. WB was 151" in '75-76.
    Series 75 was the (factory built) formal sedan / limousine.

    LOL.. I was wrong. Thanks

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    22 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

    Uh... yeah... you can get the CT6 Premium Luxury with the 2.0T. Nobody bought it though. The problem with packages is that you end up with 30 versions of the car instead of 3 or 4. Some unpopular configurations end up on lots for 2 years and have to be sold at a loss or not at all. One thing you have to understand is that it is not just that the V model is a low volume car. Cadillacs are ALL low volume cars!

    You don't really have 30 variations, you have 4 main option packs and a couple stand alone options.  

    And no one buys the CT6 with any engine is the problem.  I would be in favor of no 4-cylinder CT6, I'd do turbo V6 and turbo V8 there.  Assuming the car even sticks around.  But this goes for every Cadillac.  An XT4 should have an interior upgrade/luxury package, tech package, sport package, and a cold weather packages with stuff like AWD and panoramic roof as stand alone options.  Cadillac isn't Ford with Titanium, or GMC with Denali, the base Cadillac should be the Denali or Titaniium, thus no need to name it.  

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    17 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Easy there, big fella! That's the overall length, not the wheelbase. WB was 151" in '75-76.
    Series 75 was the (factory built) formal sedan / limousine.
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    New client today has a brand new 740. I would say 'I don't want to know a person that would consider a smell cartridge 'important' for their vehicle', tho this woman seems nice so far. If I get on friendly enough terms, I'll ask about the 7series, you hardly see them anymore, esp since BMW has placed all their future stock in their high volume, downmarket lines.

    That X7 is pretty nice though, they'll sell those.  It has 5 zone climate control, a suede headliner, and 3rd row sunroof.  

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    20 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    And no one buys the CT6 with any engine is the problem.  I would be in favor of no 4-cylinder CT6, I'd do turbo V6 and turbo V8 there.

    Cadillac built the entire year's supply of 2.0Ts over the first few months of the model year- the vast majority are 6-piston.
    But if "no one" buys the CT6, who's buying the A7/A8 or 7-series- both of which get handily outsold by the CT6.
    In fact, without looking it up, I believe the CT6 sold just under 10K in the US last year, and the s-class was at about 12K.
    Is "no one buying the s-class" too????

    You gotta drop the obvious nonsense/hyperbole. You can have conversations with people from a factual, reality-based world, you know.

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    14 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Cadillac built the entire year's supply of 2.0Ts over the first few months of the model year- the vast majority are 6-piston.
    But if "no one" buys the CT6, who's buying the A7/A8 or 7-series- both of which get handily outsold by the CT6.
    In fact, without looking it up, I believe the CT6 sold just under 10K in the US last year, and the s-class was at about 12K.
    Is "no one buying the s-class" too????

    You gotta drop the obvious nonsense/hyperbole. You can have conversations with people from a factual, reality-based world, you know.

    The 2019 A8 is quite nice, but it sells like crap here, because people don't want big sedans, and the S-class is still the best big sedan there is.  

    A8 sells in China though, Audi as a brand sold 620,000 cars in China last year, Audi has global volume that Cadillac doesn't so they can keep these low sellers around.

    But Cadillac would be better off with an Omega platform SUV than an Omega platform sedan.  I personally likes sedans, but the car buying public does not.

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    A8 doesn't 'sell like crap'....; "no one buys it".

    Go ahead - say it. You'd be closer to the truth than usual.

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    2 hours ago, dwightlooi said:

    BTW, here's the BMW Scent cartridge GIMMICK for the 7-series. There are 8 scents to choose from and the car takes two cartridges so you can have different smells programmed for different times of the day or some combo smell from varying the intensity on the two. Each cartridge is $55. They last about 6 months when used moderately. Think of it as a very expensive version of the Glade plug-ins. I am surprised they brand it as BMW Green or Gold No2 or whatever. They should brand it as Chanel No.2 or Christian Dior No.1. Then they can sell it for $300.

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    Thanks Drew for posting this. I honestly hate these things, but all my travels to Japan, Korea and China shows the Asian Rim is crazy about them as you get them in everything from taxi's to rentals. Crazy. and stinky.

    Let me smell the natural leather of the auto, not some fake scent.

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    The mistake Cadillac made was the RETARDED strategy of trying to revive a LUXURY BRAND from the bottom up. What's worse, they repeated this failed, illogical, strategy three times and never learned. Let's go back to early-2000s...

    Cadillac was the purveyor of retiree barges like the Seville and Deville powered by the notoriously unreliable and somewhat underpowered Northstar V8, with a Catera and a re-badged Tahoe thrown in for extra embarrassment. The clientele with Apollo era nostalgia of American luxury were quickly trading in their barges for hospice care and there was no next generation of buyers. GM decided to reboot Caddy as a more "european" and "sporty" brand with the Sigma based CTS powered by an Opel taxi engine and then a Malibu engine. The car was too big to be a 3-series fighter and too small to be a 5-series competitor. The interior with a plastic dash with egg crate HVAC vents was not particularly luxurious and with the exception of the Corvette engined V has no performance to speak of. Its proposition was that it is a cheaper and bigger alternative than a BMW. Whatever octogenarian who still walked into the dealership bought the Devilles and everyone who bought BMWs still bought BMWs. So, that didn't work. It didn't work because a luxury or premium brand is built on PRESTIGE and the CTS gave Caddy no prestige.

    Round, two, the CTS got a 2nd generation that is larger, heavier, and slower. The FWD barges were put out to pasture as the Hospice set finally dried up. There was again, nothing outstanding, nothing prestigious and nothing to look at except perhaps the supercharged V. The only difference now is that the car now needs a 5-series parking space but does not have 5 series space on the inside. Again, no prestige, nothing superlative and it didn't work.

    Round, three, Caddy takes a jab at the 3-series with the ATS. The car handled better than a 3-series -- well, better than the bloated F30 anyway. The 2.0T is somewhat coarse, but it is spirited enough. The 3.6 is still a Malibu engine and the V makes rattlingly noises resembling a lose heatshield when revved from the vacuum waste gate system but gave Vette performance. With no flagship the brand still had ZERO prestige and the ATS sold only when discounted. As the charge lead by the entry level ATS faltered, the 3rd Gen CTS -- possibly the best car GM has built ever -- found itself languishing on dealer lots priced out of the reach of the bargain hunters and with no prestige to command asking prices as high as $73K. So that didn't work again.

    What's common with all three attempts at rebooting the Cadillac brand was that GM started from the bottom with the presumed volume seller -- the cheapest model. Yes, they tried to do it by undercutting the competition. They played around with the size of the car. They played around with the pricing. But, they ALWAYS DID IT WITH AN ENTRY LEVEL CAR. They never understood that Luxury marques are built on prestige. That people didn't buy luxury cars for the magazine reviews, performance numbers or even a specific amenity. They buy luxury cars for the STATUS, RESPECTABILITY AND PRESTIGE driving it brings more than anything else. Think about it will anyone buy a Bentley, Rolls or Range Rover for that matter if they haven't heard much about these brands and the corporate parent tries to reboot them by starting with a blinged up CR-V or Altima? Do you think Tesla would still be in business if they had started not with the Model S, but with some Chevy Bolt like "meh" mobile and tired to work their way up to a luxury electric? I don't think so. Until Caddy can reboot their PRESTIGE, it cannot reboot the brand. GM either doesn't get it, was not willing to part with existing revenue or was simply too broke to do otherwise.

    All the finances, pain and logistics aside, this is what could have worked for Caddy:-

    (1) GM end production of ALL Cadiilac vehicles.

    (2) GM introduces a no excuses $500,000 Caddy -- call it an Auburn or whatever -- with ultimate materials, all machined interior bits, volin grade walnut, Nappa Leather on anything that is not wood or metal, a 1000 hp V12 engine as refined as any lexus, in a car as fast as a Z06. The 13-step, 7 layer paint process is hand polished between applications. The windows are double glazed with both electrochromic dimming and privacy frosting on the inner surfaces, an acoustic liner and is the largest ever pieces of glass to get the Carl Zeiss T* anti-reflective coating. The seat belts are not nylon but real silk interwoven with kevlar. The audio system is unique in that ALL the door panels, head liners and dash surfaces that are not occupied by handles or switch gear have broad swats of Martin-Logan electro-static transducers behind the mesh. Despite the size, power and luxury, the car is quite light with its Aluminum-Lithium and titanium intensive uni-body. Well... you get the picture. A car of superlatives intended to put Rolls and Bentley to shame.

    (3) Let the world drool on that for a few years.

    (4) Come back with the Escalade and the Escala for $120K to make the brand available to the average 1 percenter.

    (5) Once the prestige and image is firmly established, expand down market to the 5 series and X5 competitors, followed by the compacts and crossovers.

    In short, work your way down!

     

     

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    11 hours ago, dwightlooi said:

    Uh... yeah... you can get the CT6 Premium Luxury with the 2.0T. Nobody bought it though. The problem with packages is that you end up with 30 versions of the car instead of 3 or 4. Some unpopular configurations end up on lots for 2 years and have to be sold at a loss or not at all. One thing you have to understand is that it is not just that the V model is a low volume car. Cadillacs are ALL low volume cars!

    Exactly, these expensive trims with base engines just don't sell. Nobody spending that kind of coin wants a little 2.0T engine in their luxury barge. 

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    11 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Cadillac built the entire year's supply of 2.0Ts over the first few months of the model year- the vast majority are 6-piston.
    But if "no one" buys the CT6, who's buying the A7/A8 or 7-series- both of which get handily outsold by the CT6.
    In fact, without looking it up, I believe the CT6 sold just under 10K in the US last year, and the s-class was at about 12K.
    Is "no one buying the s-class" too????

    You gotta drop the obvious nonsense/hyperbole. You can have conversations with people from a factual, reality-based world, you know.

    I was curious so I had to look them up...

    CT6: 9,669

    7 Series: 8,271

    S Class: 14,978

    A7: 3,852

    A8: 1,599 😂

    Nearly 10,000 units of CT6 isn't bad at all entering a segment the S Class owns and is very established. 

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    On 3/8/2019 at 11:03 AM, dwightlooi said:

    The vertical head lights were the best design elements of Cadillac. Why abandon it for the Mazda look?

    Powertrain wise, the XT5 and XT6 as Cadillac SUVs deserve to have the 310hp/348 lb-ft (L3B) 2.7T Inline-4 as the base engine and the 404hp/400lb-ft (LGW) 3.0TT V6 as the upgrade. GM should leave the LGX V6 for the likes of the Traverse and Acadia.

    Product wise Mary Barra is a moron. This is another example of why administrators cannot lead, and must not lead, product driven businesses. Tim Cook is another example. You can have a pussy or be a homo, that's just fine. But you cannot have no product vision and forte. There aren't many ills in a car company that a good product line won't fix. And, there aren't many ills which can be fixed through good governance and logistics when the product sucks!

    Mary Barra should not have anything to do with this considering Mark Reuss still retains the duties of global product chief as well as President last I checked. The CEO and Chair shouldn't be dabbling in product. Too many other things to do.

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    18 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    ^ That was per goodcarbadcar.com's numbers. 

    CT6 9969

    Continental 8758

    LS 9302

    A8 1599

    7series 8271

    SClass. 14, 978

    XTS 17,727 units

     

    Also I will add that the CT6 sold 17,223 in China

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    10000 for an expensive sedan isn't bad.  if you like these cars, you need to buy them, not just talk about buying them.

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    17 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    CT6 9969

    Continental 8758

    LS 9302

    A8 1599

    7series 8271

    SClass. 14, 978

    XTS 17,727 units

     

    Also I will add that the CT6 sold 17,223 in China

    Yeah, I was just sticking to the vehicles mentioned but that Lincoln has been selling disappointingly as well. 

    I don't know much about Lexus/Toyota, is the LS a rebadged Avalon? 

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    16 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Yeah, I was just sticking to the vehicles mentioned but that Lincoln has been selling disappointingly as well. 

    I don't know much about Lexus/Toyota, is the LS a rebadged Avalon? 

    Nooo...the ES is the Avalon/Camry relative.  The ES is a FWD/transverse engine model like the Avalon/Camry, the LS is a proper RWD full size sedan.

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    5 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Nooo...the ES is the Avalon/Camry relative.  The ES is a FWD/transverse engine model like the Avalon/Camry, the LS is a proper RWD full size sedan.

    Ahhh okay, I get them mixed up as I'm not much of a Lexus fan. Thank you! 

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    3 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    CT6 9969

    Continental 8758

    LS 9302

    A8 1599

    7series 8271

    SClass. 14, 978

    XTS 17,727 units

     

    Also I will add that the CT6 sold 17,223 in China

    The finer details here doesn't matter. These are ALL low volume cars. The Cruze is at 160,000 units and it is deemed untenable because it is not selling at 350,000 units. The point is that GM needs to figure out how to build a few thousand a year models well and profitably. That is how a luxury brand will operate.

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    3 hours ago, dwightlooi said:

    The finer details here doesn't matter. These are ALL low volume cars. The Cruze is at 160,000 units and it is deemed untenable because it is not selling at 350,000 units. The point is that GM needs to figure out how to build a few thousand a year models well and profitably. That is how a luxury brand will operate.

    The reality of the truth (or the truth of the reality) for GM looking at 2018 numbers is pretty sobering...there were only 3 models company wide with over 200,000 units per year--2 trucks and a CUV.  The highest selling car was only 144k units..

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    1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

    The reality of the truth (or the truth of the reality) for GM looking at 2018 numbers is pretty sobering...there were only 3 models company wide with over 200,000 units per year--2 trucks and a CUV.  The highest selling car was only 144k units..

    Yeah.. but GM has a lot of choices.. if U are gonna say GM. No other company currently splits even its Pick-Up truck business like GM does. 805K between the Silvie and Sierra.. then another 168K between the Colo/Canyon..= 973K Trucks in all

    282K BIG SUVS and then 245K C2Xx (Enclave/Acadia/XT5/Traverse) and the Blazer and XT6 hadn't even added to that yet.

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    16 hours ago, dwightlooi said:

    The mistake Cadillac made was the RETARDED strategy of trying to revive a LUXURY BRAND from the bottom up. What's worse, they repeated this failed, illogical, strategy three times and never learned. Let's go back to early-2000s...

     

    I agree with the majority of your post.  However they did the Allante in the late 80s to go up market and it failed.  The dynamic duo of STS-V and XLR-V meant to go after the E-class and SL fell flat in a hurry.  Cadillac  has tried to go up market but they botched it every time.  The image is definitely a problem and needs rebuilt I agree.  But Cadillac has screwed up product at the bottom end and the top end, so I don't think it is so simple as just start at the top and work down.  These guys can't get a small crossover right yet you want them to go after Bentley and Rolls, or even an S-class or Aston Martin or something.  

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    8 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    I was curious so I had to look them up...

    CT6: 9,669

    7 Series: 8,271

    S Class: 14,978

    A7: 3,852

    A8: 1,599 😂

    Nearly 10,000 units of CT6 isn't bad at all entering a segment the S Class owns and is very established. 

    But the CT6 is priced like an A6, 5-series or E-class.  In fact a 2019 A6 starts $8,000 higher than a CT6.  So run that comparison of CT6 vs those other 3, then run that out globally, where those cars do way better than they do in the USA.  Audi sold 153,000 A6 in China alone last year. 

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    7 hours ago, Potluck said:

    10000 for an expensive sedan isn't bad.  if you like these cars, you need to buy them, not just talk about buying them.

    But it isn't expensive, the 2019 CT6 starts at $50,495 and $86,280 for a Platinum AWD TT V6.  

    Other base prices:

    Audi A6:  $58,900

    E300: $53,500

    530i: $53,400

    There is no S6 yet since this is a new model year, but you can run an E63 or M5 over $130,000.  And a the caveat is the A6 is V6 powered, I imagine they will bring a cheaper 4-cylinder to undercut BMW on price.

    I just did the configurator on an S560 4 Matic, you can add $55,650 in options that is a whole CT6, just in options.

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    The 'starts' 2.0T CT6s were only built in a very small volume run for those that want that configuration. The CT6 on average is stickering at $68-70K, and yes; that's expensive.

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    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    But it isn't expensive, the 2019 CT6 starts at $50,495 and $86,280 for a Platinum AWD TT V6.  

    Other base prices:

    Audi A6:  $58,900

    E300: $53,500

    530i: $53,400

    There is no S6 yet since this is a new model year, but you can run an E63 or M5 over $130,000.  And a the caveat is the A6 is V6 powered, I imagine they will bring a cheaper 4-cylinder to undercut BMW on price.

    I just did the configurator on an S560 4 Matic, you can add $55,650 in options that is a whole CT6, just in options.

    Then buy a CT6 Platinum AWD TT V6 and forget the Mercedes S560.  MB is rarely a good value anywhere.

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    MBs are the worst value out there- with the highest ATPs they cost their owners more in depreciation than any other make.

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    1 hour ago, balthazar said:

    The 'starts' 2.0T CT6s were only built in a very small volume run for those that want that configuration. The CT6 on average is stickering at $68-70K, and yes; that's expensive.

    But E-class, A6 and 5-series probably sell for $68k average too.  Which is why I don’t see the CT6 as a sales success.  And GM must not either if they are planning on killing just after a few years on market.

    Now if they were selling CT6’s for more money and profit per unit than Escaldes and only selling 10k a year then who cares if it has massive profit.  The CT6 could be losing money though, it is a platform that only one car is on, TT V6 and V8 not in any other car.  And sedans usually need incentives to sell now.

    31 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    MBs are the worst value out there- with the highest ATPs they cost their owners more in depreciation than any other make.

    And yet they can lease cars cheaper than Cadillac because the cars don’t depreciate as quickly.  Likewise with BMW and Audi.  Wasn’t that the big complaint of Cadillac dealers that the ATS sold so poorly because they can’t match 3-Series lease deals?

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    I bought a 2005 C55 AMG in 2009 for $26K with 26K miles on the odo, clean title, no dents. The car stickered for $60K new. Drove it for 4.5 years and put 115K on it before selling it for a 2011 Jaguar XF 5.0 Supercharged. The 2014 CTS VSport Premium I bought in 2017 for $33K with 24K miles stickered for $73K new. I don't ever buy new cars and I LOVE DEPRECIATION!

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    14 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    But the CT6 is priced like an A6, 5-series or E-class.  In fact a 2019 A6 starts $8,000 higher than a CT6.  So run that comparison of CT6 vs those other 3, then run that out globally, where those cars do way better than they do in the USA.  Audi sold 153,000 A6 in China alone last year. 

    Yeah, if it is compared to those it sells very poorly. 

    E Class/CLS: 46,424

    5 Series: 43,937

    11 hours ago, balthazar said:

    The 'starts' 2.0T CT6s were only built in a very small volume run for those that want that configuration. The CT6 on average is stickering at $68-70K, and yes; that's expensive.

    I agree it is expensive buuuuut a CT6 3.6 + AWD starts at 54,990. 

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    'Starting' is all well & good- can you get any at that price? Is it even relevant? When is the last time you saw a stripped, no-option Cadillac for sale? Or any of the brand/models discussed here? My local dealer has 3 CT6s in inventory right now, all 6s, stickered at $61.5K, $67.2K and $76.7K. That's 'expensive' any way you slice it.

    e-class / 5-series are mid-sized sedans, CT6 is around a foot longer. For many, that'd be a shopping factor. Tho I would believe price was moreso a driver, the bulk of press comparisons pit the CT6 against the aforementioned largest sedans from other lux brands.

    I think the CT6 is perfectly fine with moving between 10K-15K units/yr; Cadillac is not a high volume brand and IMO that's a solid number.

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    59 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    'Starting' is all well & good- can you get any at that price? Is it even relevant? When is the last time you saw a stripped, no-option Cadillac for sale? Or any of the brand/models discussed here? My local dealer has 3 CT6s in inventory right now, all 6s, stickered at $61.5K, $67.2K and $76.7K. That's 'expensive' any way you slice it.

     

    Lots of XT5 FWD lease specials up here...

     

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    13 hours ago, dwightlooi said:

    I bought a 2005 C55 AMG in 2009 for $26K with 26K miles on the odo, clean title, no dents. The car stickered for $60K new. Drove it for 4.5 years and put 115K on it before selling it for a 2011 Jaguar XF 5.0 Supercharged. The 2014 CTS VSport Premium I bought in 2017 for $33K with 24K miles stickered for $73K new. I don't ever buy new cars and I LOVE DEPRECIATION!

    100% agree!

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    14 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    But E-class, A6 and 5-series probably sell for $68k average too.  Which is why I don’t see the CT6 as a sales success.  And GM must not either if they are planning on killing just after a few years on market.

    Now if they were selling CT6’s for more money and profit per unit than Escaldes and only selling 10k a year then who cares if it has massive profit.  The CT6 could be losing money though, it is a platform that only one car is on, TT V6 and V8 not in any other car.  And sedans usually need incentives to sell now.

    And yet they can lease cars cheaper than Cadillac because the cars don’t depreciate as quickly.  Likewise with BMW and Audi.  Wasn’t that the big complaint of Cadillac dealers that the ATS sold so poorly because they can’t match 3-Series lease deals?

    The CT6 isn't going anywhere... it will continue in production in China and then possibly again back in the US for the next generation. 

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    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    Canada is cheap compared to the US right now.

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    His says $99 Weekly. I had to do some small font reading because it didn't make sense to me. 

    2 hours ago, frogger said:

    Lots of XT5 FWD lease specials up here...

     

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    $99 a WEEK. It doesn't seem that special of a price. 

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    🤷🏻‍♂️

    3 hours ago, balthazar said:

    'Starting' is all well & good- can you get any at that price? Is it even relevant? When is the last time you saw a stripped, no-option Cadillac for sale? Or any of the brand/models discussed here? My local dealer has 3 CT6s in inventory right now, all 6s, stickered at $61.5K, $67.2K and $76.7K. That's 'expensive' any way you slice it.

    e-class / 5-series are mid-sized sedans, CT6 is around a foot longer. For many, that'd be a shopping factor. Tho I would believe price was moreso a driver, the bulk of press comparisons pit the CT6 against the aforementioned largest sedans from other lux brands.

    I think the CT6 is perfectly fine with moving between 10K-15K units/yr; Cadillac is not a high volume brand and IMO that's a solid number.

    I agree, anything over 50k is expensive for an automobile to me. I was just pointing out the 3.6 +AWD can be had at a "reasonable" price as well, not just the 2.0T. 

    CT6 is classified as a mid-size sedan.. I don't know if they're wasteful on the interior volume or what but it gets classified with the CTS when I'm looking at sales 🤷🏻‍♂️

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    21 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    His says $99 Weekly. I had to do some small font reading because it didn't make sense to me. 

    $99 a WEEK. It doesn't seem that special of a price. 

    DOH, Yup I missed that too. WoW talk about deceiving. 

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    20 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    🤷🏻‍♂️

    I agree, anything over 50k is expensive for an automobile to me. I was just pointing out the 3.6 +AWD can be had at a "reasonable" price as well, not just the 2.0T. 

    CT6 is classified as a mid-size sedan.. I don't know if they're wasteful on the interior volume or what but it gets classified with the CTS when I'm looking at sales 🤷🏻‍♂️

    erm... no it's not?

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    35 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    His says $99 Weekly. I had to do some small font reading because it didn't make sense to me. 

    $99 a WEEK. It doesn't seem that special of a price. 

    That's $99 CD,  which would be $74 USD or about $296 USD/mo.   28 month lease is unusual, Canadian months.   Don't think I've seen that in the US. 

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    18 hours ago, balthazar said:

    MBs are the worst value out there- with the highest ATPs they cost their owners more in depreciation than any other make.

    ...and ungodly repairs...

    17 hours ago, dwightlooi said:

    I bought a 2005 C55 AMG in 2009 for $26K with 26K miles on the odo, clean title, no dents. The car stickered for $60K new. Drove it for 4.5 years and put 115K on it before selling it for a 2011 Jaguar XF 5.0 Supercharged. The 2014 CTS VSport Premium I bought in 2017 for $33K with 24K miles stickered for $73K new. I don't ever buy new cars and I LOVE DEPRECIATION!

    I agree. I bought a fully loaded R line Beetle that stickered at like 33K for 16K two years old with 15K miles.

    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    They have made a mistake. 

    Are we talking about the midsize thing...cancelling the CT6....or building the bland XT6. All three of them are mistakes IMHO.

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    3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The midsize classification of the CT6

    The CT6 is a full-size sedan by government standards, period. For the purpose of government regulations, the EPA defines sedan sizes solely based on interior volume of the passenger cell and trunk. However, there is no law requiring manufacturers to advertise a mid-size as a mid-size or requiring 3rd party publications for using whatever alternative definition they please:-

    • Compact = 100~109.9 cu-ft
    • Mid-Size = 100~119.9 cu-ft
    • Full-Size = 120+ cu-ft

    The CT6 has an interior volume of 110 cu-ft + 15.3 cu-ft = 125.3 cu-ft.

    The CTS has an interior volume of 97 cu-ft + 13.7 cu-ft = 110.7 cu-ft

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    3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

     

    3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    They have made a mistake. 

    No doubt. This isn't even a Cadillac screw up but a GOODCAR one. I really wish Americans would start thinking on their own again and stop with this word for word interpretation and endorsement by magazines and media. That's how an election got effed up.. well partially. 

    5 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

    The CT6 is a full-size sedan by government standards, period. For the purpose of government regulations, the EPA defines sedan sizes solely based on interior volume of the passenger cell and trunk. However, there is no law requiring manufacturers to advertise a mid-size as a mid-size or requiring 3rd party publications for using whatever alternative definition they please:-

    • Compact = 100~109.9 cu-ft
    • Mid-Size = 100~119.9 cu-ft
    • Full-Size = 120+ cu-ft

    The CT6 has an interior volume of 110 cu-ft + 15.3 cu-ft = 125.3 cu-ft.

    The CTS has an interior volume of 97 cu-ft + 13.7 cu-ft = 110.7 cu-ft

    No Doubt. Getting outta my V and getting into a CT6 felt like I had moved from a 3 bedroom apt to a 6 Bedroom. 

     

     

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      The LYRIQ is based on GM’s next-generation, modular electric vehicle platform and driven by the Ultium propulsion system, allowing Cadillac to deliver customers a variety of range and performance options. With range being one of the biggest factors when it comes to selecting an EV, we’re designing LYRIQ to offer beyond 300 miles of range on a full charge, based on internal testing1. Performance and technology highlights include:
      Charging options that fit a variety of preferences for home, the workplace and on the road — including DC fast charging rates over 150 kilowatts and Level 2 charging rates up to 19 kW2. Rear-wheel drive and performance all-wheel drive configurations. The latest version of Super Cruise3, the industry’s first truly hands-free driver assistance feature, available on more than 200,000 miles of compatible highways and recently enhanced to include automated lane change. New technologies such as dual-plane augmented reality-enhanced head-up display and remote self-parking. The brand’s most seamless and adaptive technology interaction with the driver and passengers, including the latest Cadillac user experience, which is showcased in a 33-inch-diagonal advanced LED screen the spans the entire viewing area of the driver. “LYRIQ was conceived to make every journey exhilarating and leverages more than a century of innovation to drive the brand into a new era, while rewarding passengers with a more personal, connected and immersive experience,” said Jamie Brewer, Cadillac LYRIQ chief engineer. “To do this we developed an architecture specifically for EVs.  It is not only an exceptional EV, but first and foremost a Cadillac.”
      LIBERATING PERFORMANCE
      Some luxury EVs today feature adapted traditional internal combustion engine architecture, that is not the case with LYRIQ. Cadillac’s all-new, modular EV platform on which the LYRIQ is based is the foundation for its liberating performance. With a dedicated EV architecture, its design eliminates significant physical constraints associated with adapting electric propulsion within a conventional vehicle architecture, for an optimized design that supports greater driving range, an engaging driving experience and a new interpretation of passenger space.
      Within the LYRIQ, the Ultium battery system is a structural element of the architecture, integrated in ways that contribute to ride and handling, as well as safety. In fact, the lower center of gravity and near 50/50 weight distribution enabled by the placement of the battery pack results in a vehicle that’s sporty, responsive and allows for spirited driving.
      Additionally, the LYRIQ is driven primarily by the rear wheels, with a performance all-wheel drive option available. The placement of the drive motor at the rear of the vehicle contributes an even greater feeling of balance and agility — attributes that affirm Cadillac’s longstanding commitment to satisfying performance. It also enables the system to channel more torque to the pavement without wheelspin for exhilarating acceleration and greater cornering capability. Vehicles equipped with performance all-wheel drive go a step further, with a second drive unit placed at the front of the vehicle, which allows for a significant amount of tuning flexibility, enhancing vehicle dynamics and performance for drivers.
      ALL-NEW ULTIUM BATTERY SYSTEM
      The Cadillac LYRIQ is powered by GM’s new Ultium battery system, which offers approximately 100 kilowatt-hours of energy to deliver stirring performance.
      Ultium’s state-of-the-art NCMA (nickel-cobalt-manganese-aluminum) chemistry uses aluminum in the cathode to help reduce the need for rare-earth materials such as cobalt. In fact, GM engineers reduced the cobalt content by more than 70 percent, compared to current GM batteries.
      The advanced battery chemistry is packed in large, flat pouch cells that enable smart module construction to reduce complexity and simplify cooling needs. Additionally, the battery electronics are incorporated directly into the modules, eliminating nearly 90 percent of the battery pack wiring, compared to GM’s current electric vehicles. 
      When it comes to charging, LYRIQ offers quick and convenient charging options whether at home or on the go. With DC fast charging, the LYRIQ can charge at rates over 150 kW. 
      ARTFULLY INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGY
      Envisioned to make interaction with its technologies more intuitive and rewarding, the LYRIQ’s partnership with the driver and passengers is simultaneously energizing and artful.
      Upon approach, the LYRIQ recognizes the driver and initiates a “greeting” with a choreographed lighting sequence, while also preparing the cabin for the journey, including seat, mirror and climate system adjustments. Once inside, the LYRIQ offers Cadillac’s highest level of driver information, infotainment and connectivity integration, for a more seamless and rewarding experience.
      A 33-inch-diagonal advanced LED display artfully integrates a single, large screen that spans the viewing area for the driver and incorporates driver information details, infotainment controls and camera views. This new display has the highest pixel density available in the automotive industry today and can display over one billion colors, 64 times more than any other vehicle in the automotive industry, providing a stunning in-vehicle experience unlike anything seen before from Cadillac.
      Additional technology and interactive highlights include:
      Battery and charging monitoring conveyed by easy, at-a-glance graphics. The system identifies the vehicle’s energy needs at home and on the go, according to owner preferences, while also monitoring and forecasting energy consumption and providing charging suggestions. New dual-plane augmented reality-enhanced head-up display employs two planes: a near plane indicating speed, direction and more, and a far plane displaying transparent navigation signals and other important alerts. The latest version of Super Cruise, the hands-free driver assistance feature, including automated lane change.3 Supervised remote parking that uses ultrasonic sensors to help the LYRIQ park itself in parallel or perpendicular parking spaces — whether the driver is inside or outside of the vehicle.4 SENSE OF SOUND
      LYRIQ’s technology also addresses sound in two important ways: Blocking unwanted sounds and making the most of the sounds passengers want to hear.
      For the first time, Cadillac will introduce a new road noise cancellation technology, which takes active noise cancellation to the next level by introducing more microphones and accelerometers, which improve noise cancellation abilities. With this new system, Cadillac’s performance and audio engineers can target the frequency range of tire cavity noise, reducing the noise level in the vehicle and allowing for a quieter in-cabin experience.
      The Cadillac LYRIQ builds on the brand’s exclusive partnership with AKG. “With LYRIQ we wanted to deliver a sound experience that would transport the driver from a vehicle into a recording studio,” said Hussein Khalil, Cadillac lead audio design release engineer. “With the AKG sound system, we are able to deliver this experience along with the quality and reliability luxury customers expect.”
      At launch, LYRIQ will offer a 19-speaker AKG Studio audio system that delivers exceptionally crisp and precise sound reproduction, enabling drivers and passengers to enjoy their favorite music.
      NEW FACE OF CADILLAC
      Cadillac’s first electric SUV makes a bold design statement that introduces a new face, proportion and presence for the brand’s new generation of EVs. It’s a forward-looking vision unconstrained by the needs of a traditional internal combustion engine and driveline.
      “The LYRIQ represents the next iteration of the iconic brand’s styling, enabled by electrification, as only Cadillac can express,” said Andrew Smith, executive director, Global Cadillac Design. “Inside and out, LYRIQ is a thoughtful integration of design and technology and is intended to make every drive an occasion.”
      Defined by taut lines and clean surfaces, LYRIQ is assertive and modern, characterized with a low, fast roofline and wide stance that emphasize agility and convey confidence. Additional details such as a flow-through roof spoiler express the careful attention paid to aerodynamics to optimize efficiency on the highway.
      A distinctive “black crystal” grille in the front is one of the LYRIQ’s most unique and expressive design elements. It is also a dynamic feature, as it is part of a dramatic lighting choreography that — along with bold vertical, slim LED signature lighting — greets the owner upon approach. At the rear, a split taillamp design incorporates slim LEDs that are also integrated into the lighting choreography.
      Inside, the LYRIQ’s new electric vehicle architecture opens up possibilities in vehicle spaciousness and design; and Cadillac designers used this as an opportunity to rethink how to use the space and where to locate various interior elements.
      The result is a more airy, minimalistic design that does more to involve the driver and passengers in the driving experience while offering exceptional functionality when it comes to storage solutions. It is also brimming with subtle yet obsessive details such as backlit speaker grilles, curved screens with hidden storage and, like the exterior, orchestrated lighting features.
    • By David
      Cadillac division sent out this email saying that the Cadillac Lyriq reveal will be August 6th 2020 @ 7PM. 
      Now the interesting part is what time zone? EST, MST, PST,.......... 🤔

    • By William Maley
      Cadillac's Super Cruise system is getting a major upgrade just in time for the 2021 CT4 and CT5. The system will now be able to automatically change lanes whenever the driver taps or fully engages the turn signal stalk. The vehicle will signal and look for a safe gap before making the maneuver. Information as to which step the system is on is shown to driver in the instrument cluster.
      “This is our most extensive update we’ve made to Super Cruise since its debut. We have made a number of improvements to make Super Cruise more intuitive, better performing and more accessible for our customers. In addition to the automated lane change functionality, we’ve made improvements to the user interface and hands-free driving dynamics,”  said Mario Maiorana, Super Cruise chief engineer in a statement.
      This upgrade is due in part to GM's new digital vehicle platform that allows for more "electrical bandwidth and data processing power." Other improvements include better rear-facing sensors and updated software.
      Following the CT4 and CT5, the updated Super Cruise system will appear on the upcoming 2021 Escalade. That brings us to an interesting item caught by the folks at Roadshow. The picture Cadillac used in the press release has the rear end of the next-generation model expected to debut next month.

      Source: Cadillac, Roadshow
      Press Release is on Page 2

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    • By William Maley
      Cadillac's Super Cruise system is getting a major upgrade just in time for the 2021 CT4 and CT5. The system will now be able to automatically change lanes whenever the driver taps or fully engages the turn signal stalk. The vehicle will signal and look for a safe gap before making the maneuver. Information as to which step the system is on is shown to driver in the instrument cluster.
      “This is our most extensive update we’ve made to Super Cruise since its debut. We have made a number of improvements to make Super Cruise more intuitive, better performing and more accessible for our customers. In addition to the automated lane change functionality, we’ve made improvements to the user interface and hands-free driving dynamics,”  said Mario Maiorana, Super Cruise chief engineer in a statement.
      This upgrade is due in part to GM's new digital vehicle platform that allows for more "electrical bandwidth and data processing power." Other improvements include better rear-facing sensors and updated software.
      Following the CT4 and CT5, the updated Super Cruise system will appear on the upcoming 2021 Escalade. That brings us to an interesting item caught by the folks at Roadshow. The picture Cadillac used in the press release has the rear end of the next-generation model expected to debut next month.

      Source: Cadillac, Roadshow
      Press Release is on Page 2
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