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    Quick Drive: 2018 Mazda6 Signature

      The turbo makes the difference

    The Mazda6 is a prime example of how making various improvements throughout the lifecycle can make a vehicle. Since the first model I drove back in 2014, Mazda has been messing around with various aspects such as the interior and NVH levels. Last year saw Mazda make some key changes to 6 with the big news being the introduction of a turbocharged 2.5L four-cylinder from the CX-9 crossover. This was to address one of the major shortcomings of the sedan, lackluster performance when it comes to making a pass or merging onto a freeway. There are some other minor changes to go with the updated engine that help make the Mazda6 feel a bit more rounded.

    • The turbocharged 2.5L four-cylinder produces 227 horsepower (250 on premium fuel) and 310 pound-feet of torque. This is paired with a six-speed automatic to the front wheels. 
    • I praised this engine in the CX-9 I drove back in the summer with a linear flow of power and no hint of turbo lag. Those carry over to the 6, along with the feeling of confidence that you’ll be able to pass or merge onto a freeway without any issue. It was quite startling how quick the 6 accelerated from 45 to 70 on a freeway on-ramp, only taking a few seconds. The six-speed automatic works seamlessly with the turbo engine, providing snappy up and downshifts.
    • One other trait of the turbo engine I was impressed with was NVH levels. There was barely any engine noise or the whoosh of the turbo when accelerating.
    • Mazda hasn’t messed with the 6’s chassis with the addition of the turbo engine. It still has the planted feeling and minimal body roll that imparts a lot of confidence to a driver. Steering is quick and provides the right balance of weight and feel.
    • One surprise is how the 2018 model rides slightly better than the 2017 model as bumps are better isolated. This might be 
    • Exterior enhancements are small with a new grille design, LED headlights, and the 19-inch wheels. But they do a surprising job of keeping of the 6’s exterior looking fresh.
    • The enhancements for the interior really help Mazda’s ambition to become more premium. The dash has been slightly restyled and now comes with stitched upholstery and natural wood trim. The climate control system has been redesigned that makes it slightly easier to use.
    • Mazda has started rolling out Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility on the 6 for 2018 via an update. My test car had had the update, but I was unable to try it out as I could not pick the option in the system. I’m not sure of the issue, but I hope to try it once again in a future Mazda product.
    • The turbo engine is only available on the Grand Touring, Grand Touring Reserve, and Signature. My test 6 was the top-line Signature that carries a base price of $34,750. With destination and some options, the as-tested price came to $36,140. If I was to buy one, I would drop down to the Grand Touring Reserve which begins at $31,750. I would lose out on the 360-degree camera system, Nappa leather upholstery, and digital gauge cluster. But I would keep a number of desirable features such as the ventilated front seats, heated steering wheel, heads-up display, and power front seats.
    • Every Mazda6 review has seen me come to the same conclusion; the sedan is so close to being considered one of the best, but it is missing a certain thing. But this conclusion is different. Mazda has been able to fix the various issues I have complained about over the past few years and now have a very compelling midsize sedan. It's a shame that the 6 along with other midsize sedans are being overshadowed by the likes of crossovers. But for those who still have their heart set on a sedan, then I have no issue in recommending the 6 as an option worthy of consideration.

    Disclaimer: Mazda Provided the 6, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas

    2018 Mazda6 Signature Gallery

    Year: 2018
    Make: Mazda
    Model: 6
    Trim: Signature
    Engine: Turbocharged 2.5L Skyactiv-G Four-Cylinder
    Driveline: Six-Speed Automatic, Front-Wheel Drive
    Horsepower @ RPM: 227 @ 5,000 (Regular), 250 @ 5,000 (Premium)
    Torque @ RPM: 310 @ 2,000 rpm
    Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 23/31/26
    Curb Weight: 3,560 lbs
    Location of Manufacture: Hofu, Japan
    Base Price: $34,750
    As Tested Price: $36,140 (Includes $890.00 Destination Charge)

    Options:
    Machine Gray Paint - $300.00
    Scuff Plates - $125.00
    Cargo Mat - $75.00

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    @William Maley How is the interior space for big people? I grew up with my parents having a 626, my moms car and later my oldest sister got a Mazda 6 in 2007 which if I was in the front no one could sit behind me. 

    So how is the interior space and rear headroom with that coupe sedan design?

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    2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    @William Maley How is the interior space for big people? I grew up with my parents having a 626, my moms car and later my oldest sister got a Mazda 6 in 2007 which if I was in the front no one could sit behind me. 

    So how is the interior space and rear headroom with that coupe sedan design?

    @dfelt I happen to be 5'8" or 5'9" and I fit ok behind the front seat with a decent amount of head and legroom. Legroom will become tight if a tall person is up front.

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    16 minutes ago, William Maley said:

    @dfelt I happen to be 5'8" or 5'9" and I fit ok behind the front seat with a decent amount of head and legroom. Legroom will become tight if a tall person is up front.

    Awesome, much appreciated, thank you.

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    If Chevrolet put the 2.0 into a lower level of Malibu it would be an obvious choice over this...but given the extra power...I think I would take the Mazda over the Malibu.

    Nice looking car and I wish them well with it.

    Chris

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    DFelt how is this a relevant question for gods sakes you can’t fit yourself either headroom or legroom wise behind the driver seat adjusted for yourself in any midsize sedan currently available for sale.

     

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    2 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

    DFelt how is this a relevant question for gods sakes you can’t fit yourself either headroom or legroom wise behind the driver seat adjusted for yourself in any midsize sedan currently available for sale.

     

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    ALWAYS RELEVANT!!!

    The biggest missed place in ALL AUTO REVIEWS is to clearly talk about how people sitting in the front will affect those sitting in the back. There is NEVER a perfect front seat sitting and back seat sitting that fits a perfect 4 or 5 adult placement. This is the LIE that the auto industry has not owned up to. You and your coworkers decide to go out to lunch and your the one who offered to drive. You and one coworker are US average size of 5'8" another is 5'6" tall but very large size and the other is 6'2" tall and you drive a Camry. Who sits where and why. 

    IMHO, ALL Auto Reviews should cover sizing and how it fits for the AVERAGE American but also if you have Large size people or tall people or even very short. 

    Just like many other areas in life that people either try to fit everyone into or ignor it totally, the interior space of sizing for a single person is a lie when you will always have a variety of sized people. They should clearly state a 4 adult person space seating in every car or SUV on how people will fit. Fine if 5'8" tall is the standard they want, but then clearly state how much head room, hip room, leg room, etc. is left or if there is not enough.

    We have discussed many times on how tight the compact to mid size 4 door sedan market is and how even when multiple OEMs state the same or near same seat size, one fits more comfy than another.

    The reviews are heavily biased on just the driver and not taking into account passengers.

    I could go on but I hope you get my point.

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    Back seats are usually for children or pets.     How many car buyers actually care if large adults fit in the back seat of a car?  It seems like an edge case, not a common use case. The driver space is the most important measurement.    However, I could see back seat space for adult passengers being a concern if you are a taxi, Uber or Lyft driver. 

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    9 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Back seats are usually for children or pets.     How many car buyers actually care if large adults fit in the back seat of a car?  It seems like an edge case, not a common use case. The driver space is the most important measurement.    However, I could see back seat space for adult passengers being a concern if you are a taxi, Uber or Lyft driver. 

    Exactly.  These cars are family cars and usually back seat reserved for kids or pets.  Especially, in mid size sedan category.   You want to fit 5 full size adults in a car, you need to buy a full size sedan or CUV.

    My dad has 2016 Mazda 6 and one time I was driving  it with three 8 to 11 year old kids in the back, and they fit perfectly fine there,  

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    2 hours ago, ykX said:

    Exactly.  These cars are family cars and usually back seat reserved for kids or pets.  Especially, in mid size sedan category.   You want to fit 5 full size adults in a car, you need to buy a full size sedan or CUV.

    My dad has 2016 Mazda 6 and one time I was driving  it with three 8 to 11 year old kids in the back, and they fit perfectly fine there,  

    That was the beauty of the Chrysler cab forward cars like the Intrepid and Concorde. They had loads of interior space in the back. We loved the one that we owned. 

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    5 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Back seats are usually for children or pets.     How many car buyers actually care if large adults fit in the back seat of a car?  It seems like an edge case, not a common use case. The driver space is the most important measurement.    However, I could see back seat space for adult passengers being a concern if you are a taxi, Uber or Lyft driver. 

    Sorry Cubical, I have to down vote this. Even when I was 12 I was already 6' tall and my sisters were almost as tall as I even being older. Many people do not want a minivan  or full size van to carry adults. 

    Adult carrying is VERY IMPORTANT and I think many are to focused just on themselves the driver when you also need to think about others you carry. This is not a corner case but a much more common use case. I see it daily coworkers cramming into tiny cars, corpool in cars or SUVs and everyone is cramped it looks like. More common than many realize.

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    2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    That was the beauty of the Chrysler cab forward cars like the Intrepid and Concorde. They had loads of interior space in the back. We loved the one that we owned. 

    Those weren't mid-size thought the Intrepid could sell as low as a mid-size in poverty spec.  When those were out, the mid-size at Chrysler/Dodge would have been the Cirrus/Sebring and Stratus/Avenger respectively.   That would have been the equivalent of the Malibu or Contour.

    The LH cars overlapped with a bit of Taurus/Sable and Crown Vic, and Lumina/Impala/Grand Prix/Bonneville/Regal/LeSabre/Park Ave/Cutlass Supreme/Intrigue/88/98 

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    8 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Sorry Cubical, I have to down vote this. Even when I was 12 I was already 6' tall and my sisters were almost as tall as I even being older. Many people do not want a minivan  or full size van to carry adults. 

    Adult carrying is VERY IMPORTANT and I think many are to focused just on themselves the driver when you also need to think about others you carry. This is not a corner case but a much more common use case. I see it daily coworkers cramming into tiny cars, corpool in cars or SUVs and everyone is cramped it looks like. More common than many realize.

    I'm not an Uber driver and would never carpool, so I really don't care.  I've driven before w/ coworkers going to lunch, etc.  Never had anyone complain about backseat space in my Jeeps.    I do recall cramming a couple tall coworkers in the back of my Mustang years ago, was a bit of chore for them getting in and out of the back.  Likewise when I rode in the back of a '15 Mustang and a '76 Porsche 911--tight.  But for a 10 minute ride to lunch, no big deal.

    For people w/ children, that's what minivans and SUVs are for...

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    15 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Those weren't mid-size thought the Intrepid could sell as low as a mid-size in poverty spec.  When those were out, the mid-size at Chrysler/Dodge would have been the Cirrus/Sebring and Stratus/Avenger respectively.   That would have been the equivalent of the Malibu or Contour.

    The LH cars overlapped with a bit of Taurus/Sable and Crown Vic, and Lumina/Impala/Grand Prix/Bonneville/Regal/LeSabre/Park Ave/Cutlass Supreme/Intrigue/88/98 

    You are very correct in that...but they were not really full sized either.

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    2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    You are very correct in that...but they were not really full sized either.

    They were as big as the FWD LeSabres, etc of the time IIRC..pretty big.  I liked them, had several '99-04 Intrepid rentals, a couple 300Ms, a Concorde and an LHS as rentals back in the day..really liked the design inside and out, and they drove quite nicely.. 

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    1 minute ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    They were as big as the FWD LeSabres, etc of the time IIRC..

    Really...hmmmm.....Never really thought of the Intrepid/Concorde as that much larger than a Mazda 6.

    Passat also has decent interior room for a lot terribly large car.

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    2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Really...hmmmm.....Never really thought of the Intrepid/Concorde as that much larger than a Mazda 6. 

    Actually longer than the Impala or LeSabre....the LHS was DTS sized.  The 300M was a bit shorter w/ it's cropped rear. 

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    6 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    You are very correct in that...but they were not really full sized either.

    Well I disagree on that... particularly the last LHS/Concord.... that thing was a titanic and that's coming from a guy who loves big cars. 

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    2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Well I disagree on that... particularly the last LHS/Concord.... that thing was a titanic and that's coming from a guy who loves big cars. 

    Hmmm....Okay. The last of the Interbreeds and Concordes fell to rust and transmission failure seemingly years ago here in Central Ohio.  My memory (like much of the rest of my so called thinking...) is probably flawed.

    Thankfully, youngest kid goes away to college next year...so Beetle can be trade in fodder for a BRZ or Miata.

    Back into a fun car....could not convince the wife we needed a V8 Camaro.

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    1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Hmmm....Okay. The last of the Interbreeds and Concordes fell to rust and transmission failure seemingly years ago here in Central Ohio.  My memory (like much of the rest of my so called thinking...) is probably flawed.

    Thankfully, youngest kid goes away to college next year...so Beetle can be trade in fodder for a BRZ or Miata.

    Back into a fun car....could not convince the wife we needed a V8 Camaro.

    I just had a V6 Camaro Convertible and that thing was way more fun than it should have been in that config.  Felt light-weight, fun to toss around, and the V6 had plenty of scoot without being excessive. 

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    Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

    I just had a V6 Camaro Convertible and that thing was way more fun than it should have been in that config.  Felt light-weight, fun to toss around, and the V6 had plenty of scoot without being excessive. 

    I am working on that with the wife. I actually really like the 6th gen Camaro, Also  GM has a fantastic Blue BTW. Interior is an upgrade over 5th gen also.

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    38 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Sorry Cubical, I have to down vote this. Even when I was 12 I was already 6' tall and my sisters were almost as tall as I even being older. Many people do not want a minivan  or full size van to carry adults. 

    Adult carrying is VERY IMPORTANT and I think many are to focused just on themselves the driver when you also need to think about others you carry. This is not a corner case but a much more common use case. I see it daily coworkers cramming into tiny cars, corpool in cars or SUVs and everyone is cramped it looks like. More common than many realize.

    Sorry, you are not a typical case. According to the latest statistical data average US male is 5 feet 9 inches tall and female is 5 feet 4 inches.  This car can perfectly accommodate two average males according to dimensions and @William Maley .

    Edit: two average adults in the back with four average adults total.

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    1 minute ago, ykX said:

    Sorry, you are not a typical case. According to the latest statistical data average US male is 5 feet 9 inches tall and female is 5 feet 4 inches.  This car can perfectly accommodate two average males according to dimensions and @William Maley .

    As a sumo wrestler (or at least Sumo/Shrek sized) you would think he would support Japanese products...

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    1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    ^ This....

    @dfelt is doomed to a life of Suburbans and Escalades. 

    Yes, like NBA and NFL players..doomed to having to buy full size SUVs to haul around their posse of hangers-on...

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    1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Probably two guys 6'3 if no one adult is in the back seat behind them.

    I meant two adults in the back seat which four average adults total.

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    3 minutes ago, ykX said:

    I meant two adults in the back seat which four average adults total.

    Since I have checked out the Mazda 6 of a regular member here....yes...seems reasonable.

    4 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Yes, like NBA and NFL players..doomed to having to buy full size SUVs to haul around their posse of hangers-on...

    Someone needs to sell bling and 26 inch rims. A market for everything...

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    2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    You are very correct in that...but they were not really full sized either.

    They were Roomy! :D 

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    @Drew Dowdell @Cubical-aka-Moltar @A Horse With No Name @ykX

    So this year, was 50, colonoscopy, total cardio and while I easily passed everything, I have put on weight, 310lbs. 40" waist. So September 1st I went into body builder mode. 🏋️‍♂️ Low fat, veggie, dairy and protein focused diet. Dropped 15lbs so far, gained an inch in the chest, lost one in the waist. making good weight gains in lifting. Gonna see how close I can get back to my college days of body building, but I admit, it will be hard as I do not see myself giving up wine and chocolate when I watch a movie over the weekend.

    Will keep ya guys updated, but no I doubt unless Cadillac brings back the Brougham that I will ever be back in a car as I like my comfort and need to always make sure I have room for myself in the seat behind myself. 

    That way, I make sure everyone riding with me is comfortable. After all, Happy wife, Happy Kids, Happy Friends, Happy Life!

    Convinced the wife to give Skiing a try this year, so she is also in the gym with me working hard to get into better shape for Ski season! ⛷️ 

    Now ya know how I measure rear seat room. Set the front seat for my comfort, get out, get in behind the front seat I just set and see how I fit. 

     

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    Me in a little car! :rofl:

    Not sure what is worse, big guy in little car or sadly what I see around here all the time. Big short guy on a little bike.

    See the source image

    :roflmao:

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    It makes zero sense for a major auto company to build around the 0.1% of the population. If they did that people 5' and under would struggle, which there are more people I run into that are 5' or less than over 6'6".

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    10 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    It makes zero sense for a major auto company to build around the 0.1% of the population. If they did that people 5' and under would struggle, which there are more people I run into that are 5' or less than over 6'6".

    Missing the Point, easy to build by just having longer auto's. Selling the ATS and CTS L edition from China here in the US as regular auto's would give them room no other luxury automaker has and would make the back room seat debate a moot point. Very simple to do by adding 6 inches of leg room, tall people can slouch then and fit into the coupe roof line on everything that is out there now.

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    1 minute ago, dfelt said:

    Missing the Point, easy to build by just having longer auto's. Selling the ATS and CTS L edition from China here in the US as regular auto's would give them room no other luxury automaker has and would make the back room seat debate a moot point. Very simple to do by adding 6 inches of leg room, tall people can slouch then and fit into the coupe roof line on everything that is out there now.

    Buy said longer autos. They already make them. Why even ask about ones that are classified as "mid size" when you know you need longer autos? 

    ATS-L(Chinese ATS) would absolutely not be in a class of "room no other luxury automaker has". 

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Buy said longer autos. They already make them. Why even ask about ones that are classified as "mid size" when you know you need longer autos? 

    ATS-L(Chinese ATS) would absolutely not be in a class of "room no other luxury automaker has". 

    They do not already make them here, you cannot get the L edition of the cadillacs here and if you could there is nothing the German or Asian brands have that would compete with an ATS that has additional 16 inches of rear leg room.

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    55 minutes ago, dfelt said:

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    Me in a little car! :rofl:

     

     

    :roflmao:

    Some years in the NBA have boosted Marcin's car budget

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    And I'm not missing the point. I think you are. You ask about size for every vehicle no matter the class and then act surprised or like the automaker is oblivious to different size humans. 

    28 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    They do not already make them here, you cannot get the L edition of the cadillacs here and if you could there is nothing the German or Asian brands have that would compete with an ATS that has additional 16 inches of rear leg room.

    Then go the next size up, CT6. There are vehicles that will fit you and you know from the outside which ones those are. 

    ATS vs ATS-L is not an additional 16 inches of rear legroom. It's 3.3 inches. Which is still smaller than a CTS so if you already said the CTS was too small why are you even bringing up the ATS? If you are interested in an ATS-L, buy a CTS.  

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    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    They do not already make them here, you cannot get the L edition of the cadillacs here and if you could there is nothing the German or Asian brands have that would compete with an ATS that has additional 16 inches of rear leg room.

    The reason they don't sell those here is that they're not up to the US safety standards for side impact.  Get a CT6. 

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    I don't think I want any more cars in my considerable, serial "collection".  Crossovers, SUVs or pickup trucks are where it's at.

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    Guess I have still failed as in the past Cadillac always sold tweener cars that were just a bit bigger than the Germans. Then they moved to building cars that compete with the Germans and they have gotten nailed over pretty much the same crap the Germans have in their auto's and on top of this with identical rear car seats we have people complain about Cadillac but it is OK with the Germans.

    So my point is use the US safety version but extend it to be equal in length to what is sold over in China and have a bit bigger auto. Take away the stupid talking points.

    FYI, I have been in the CT6, very nice car, but the rear I cannot fit in without the front seat pulled up and I slouch. Still not big enough for my body. Yes I am the exception to many here.

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    Per Car and Driver

    2018 Mazda6 signature

    C/D TEST RESULTS:
    Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 16.0 sec
    Zero to 130 mph: 33.3 sec
    Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.7 sec
    Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.2 sec
    Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.2 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 14.9 sec @ 97 mph
    Top speed (drag limited, mfr’s claim): 149 mph
    Braking, 70–0 mph: 184 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.81 g

    C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
    Observed: 21 mpg
    75-mph highway driving: 36 mpg
    Highway range: 590 miles

     

     

    2018 Buick Regal Sportback FWD (just sayin)  Mazda continues to underwhelm, all the time, time to stop glorifying their run of the mill

    C/D TEST RESULTS:
    Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 13.8 sec
    Zero to 130 mph: 28.8 sec
    Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.1 sec
    Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.9 sec
    Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.0 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 101 mph

    Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
    Braking, 70–0 mph: 162 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g

    C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
    Observed: 24 mpg
    75-mph highway driving: 31 mpg
    Highway range: 490 miles

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    On 10/15/2018 at 2:28 PM, A Horse With No Name said:

    If Chevrolet put the 2.0 into a lower level of Malibu it would be an obvious choice over this...but given the extra power...I think I would take the Mazda over the Malibu.

    Nice looking car and I wish them well with it.

    Chris

    bingo.  But now the new LSY in the XT4, i would love to see if it makes it to the Malibu.  Improved NVH, and maybe if they added some tune to it.  NOW you're talkin.

    20 hours ago, dfelt said:

    ALWAYS RELEVANT!!!

    The biggest missed place in ALL AUTO REVIEWS is to clearly talk about how people sitting in the front will affect those sitting in the back. There is NEVER a perfect front seat sitting and back seat sitting that fits a perfect 4 or 5 adult placement. This is the LIE that the auto industry has not owned up to. You and your coworkers decide to go out to lunch and your the one who offered to drive. You and one coworker are US average size of 5'8" another is 5'6" tall but very large size and the other is 6'2" tall and you drive a Camry. Who sits where and why. 

    IMHO, ALL Auto Reviews should cover sizing and how it fits for the AVERAGE American but also if you have Large size people or tall people or even very short. 

    Just like many other areas in life that people either try to fit everyone into or ignor it totally, the interior space of sizing for a single person is a lie when you will always have a variety of sized people. They should clearly state a 4 adult person space seating in every car or SUV on how people will fit. Fine if 5'8" tall is the standard they want, but then clearly state how much head room, hip room, leg room, etc. is left or if there is not enough.

    We have discussed many times on how tight the compact to mid size 4 door sedan market is and how even when multiple OEMs state the same or near same seat size, one fits more comfy than another.

    The reviews are heavily biased on just the driver and not taking into account passengers.

    I could go on but I hope you get my point.

    The Mazda6 is tighter than Malibu, especially in the back.  The front is comparable but the Mazda6 rear seat is the weak spot.  Just enough tighter that adults won't like it IMO.  One of the reasons besides bad NVH (at least back in 2014 or whatever) I crossed off the Mazda6 pretty quickly.

    12 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Back seats are usually for children or pets.     How many car buyers actually care if large adults fit in the back seat of a car?  It seems like an edge case, not a common use case. The driver space is the most important measurement.    However, I could see back seat space for adult passengers being a concern if you are a taxi, Uber or Lyft driver. 

    I end up in the back seat often enough that it makes a diff to me.. Especially on long trips.

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    14 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    bingo.  But now the new LSY in the XT4, i would love to see if it makes it to the Malibu.  Improved NVH, and maybe if they added some tune to it.  NOW you're talkin.

    The Mazda6 is tighter than Malibu, especially in the back.  The front is comparable but the Mazda6 rear seat is the weak spot.  Just enough tighter that adults won't like it IMO.  One of the reasons besides bad NVH (at least back in 2014 or whatever) I crossed off the Mazda6 pretty quickly.

    I end up in the back seat often enough that it makes a diff to me.. Especially on long trips.

    Different use cases for different people, understandable.  I've never ridden in the back seat of my own cars.

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    3 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Missing the Point, easy to build by just having longer auto's. Selling the ATS and CTS L edition from China here in the US as regular auto's would give them room no other luxury automaker has and would make the back room seat debate a moot point. Very simple to do by adding 6 inches of leg room, tall people can slouch then and fit into the coupe roof line on everything that is out there now.

     

    16 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Guess I have still failed as in the past Cadillac always sold tweener cars that were just a bit bigger than the Germans. Then they moved to building cars that compete with the Germans and they have gotten nailed over pretty much the same crap the Germans have in their auto's and on top of this with identical rear car seats we have people complain about Cadillac but it is OK with the Germans.

    So my point is use the US safety version but extend it to be equal in length to what is sold over in China and have a bit bigger auto. Take away the stupid talking points.

    FYI, I have been in the CT6, very nice car, but the rear I cannot fit in without the front seat pulled up and I slouch. Still not big enough for my body. Yes I am the exception to many here.

    EVERY YEAR, when at the auto show, and in the Cadillac section, it is brutally clear one huge reason why Cadillac doesn't make sales.  Nearly everyone bitches about the useless back seat of the ATS, and even people comment on the cramp front quarters of the CTS (although that is more sort of due to console design).  Cadillac used to have the original CTS be a tweener above the 3 series.  The ATS fails in back seat room compared to 3 series and Mercedes, just by a noticeable enough amount to make a difference between usable and not usable.  CTS is in a higher price class so it seems woefully small inside in comparison to perceived value vs sticker.

    Cadillac's heritage calling card, up until the last 10-15 years or so was spaciousness = luxury.  Until they return to providing space expected in each class they will lose sales once people arrive at the test drive and put the car on for size.

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    1 minute ago, regfootball said:

     

    Cadillac's heritage calling card, up until the last 10-15 years or so was spaciousness = luxury.  Until they return to providing space expected in each class they will lose sales once people arrive at the test drive and put the car on for size.

    One thing about that DTS my sister had, it had great rear seat space and legroom.  Her STS is good, a bit less  (FWD vs RWD proportions)...but still quite spacious...

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    4 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Different use cases for different people, understandable.  I've never ridden in the back seat of my own cars.

    mid sized sedans often get tested for fit of kid car seats too.  Surprisingly, many of them are tight for getting car seats behind the fronts and having good access through the door.

    One car that is large but deceptively tight in the back, is the Fusion.  Its not wholly uncomfortable, its just not as efficient as one would think considering how large the car is.

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    38 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    mid sized sedans often get tested for fit of kid car seats too.  Surprisingly, many of them are tight for getting car seats behind the fronts and having good access through the door.

    One car that is large but deceptively tight in the back, is the Fusion.  Its not wholly uncomfortable, its just not as efficient as one would think considering how large the car is.

    One thing I've noticed with the Fusion and Malibu and other current midsize sedans is how the roof slopes and the rear door opening slopes..seems like getting in and out of the back seat would be awkward for adults..

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    2 hours ago, regfootball said:

    Per Car and Driver

    2018 Mazda6 signature

    C/D TEST RESULTS:
    Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 16.0 sec
    Zero to 130 mph: 33.3 sec
    Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.7 sec
    Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.2 sec
    Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.2 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 14.9 sec @ 97 mph
    Top speed (drag limited, mfr’s claim): 149 mph
    Braking, 70–0 mph: 184 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.81 g

    C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
    Observed: 21 mpg
    75-mph highway driving: 36 mpg
    Highway range: 590 miles

     

     

    2018 Buick Regal Sportback FWD (just sayin)  Mazda continues to underwhelm, all the time, time to stop glorifying their run of the mill

    C/D TEST RESULTS:
    Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 13.8 sec
    Zero to 130 mph: 28.8 sec
    Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.1 sec
    Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.9 sec
    Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.0 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 101 mph

    Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
    Braking, 70–0 mph: 162 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g

    C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
    Observed: 24 mpg
    75-mph highway driving: 31 mpg
    Highway range: 490 miles

    Is the review in question? 2018 Buick Regal Sportback FWD

    I'm going to burst some bubbles here. I recently just sat in a Regal Sportback over the weekend at a local auto show (more on that in an upcoming Afterthoughts) and I hate to say it, I was disappointed. Many of the plastics used were somewhat middling and didn't feel as nice as the one found in the Mazda, let alone the recent Hyundai Sonata and even the Toyota Camry XSE. For a car that stickered around $38,000, it made me shake my head. The cars just listed - sticker between $2,000 to $6,000 less.

    Now I'll give the Regal that it has the easier infotainment system to use. I'm quietly hoping that Mazda gets their act together and introduces something modern in the next year.

    Is the Mazda6 the be all, end all midsize sedan? No. There are some areas that would make me hesitate to recommend the 6 like the stiff ride. It does some things quite well that it has earned a place in the sedans I would recommend which includes the Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid and Hyundai Sonata.

    I'm withholding comment on the driving dynamics of the Regal till I can get my hands on one. On paper, it may seem like the better car. But I have a sneaking suspicion that I would still pick the 6. 

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    Honest question where does the Camry fall short compared to the 6 the Malibu and the Sonata?

    1 hour ago, regfootball said:

    mid sized sedans often get tested for fit of kid car seats too.  Surprisingly, many of them are tight for getting car seats behind the fronts and having good access through the door.

    One car that is large but deceptively tight in the back, is the Fusion.  Its not wholly uncomfortable, its just not as efficient as one would think considering how large the car is.

    I find the Fusion awkward enough that I told the rental car company to stop sending them to me for our school debate trips.

    2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    One thing about that DTS my sister had, it had great rear seat space and legroom.  Her STS is good, a bit less  (FWD vs RWD proportions)...but still quite spacious...

    DTS was a nice car. I like them.

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    2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Different use cases for different people, understandable.  I've never ridden in the back seat of my own cars.

    I ride in the back seats. Part of me would not mind a car with real back seat room.

    2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    I don't think I want any more cars in my considerable, serial "collection".  Crossovers, SUVs or pickup trucks are where it's at.

    From the standpoint of vintage cars I feel the same way. If I ever get another old car it will be a truck.

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    I’ve been doing practical w 4dr SUVs for so long, I think my next vehicle will be a car with 2 doors, maybe only 2 seats.  Buck the trend.  Defy the odds. Go against the flow.  

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    12 hours ago, regfootball said:

    Per Car and Driver

    2018 Mazda6 signature

    C/D TEST RESULTS:
    Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 16.0 sec
    Zero to 130 mph: 33.3 sec
    Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.7 sec
    Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.2 sec
    Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.2 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 14.9 sec @ 97 mph
    Top speed (drag limited, mfr’s claim): 149 mph
    Braking, 70–0 mph: 184 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.81 g

    C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
    Observed: 21 mpg
    75-mph highway driving: 36 mpg
    Highway range: 590 miles

     

     

    2018 Buick Regal Sportback FWD (just sayin)  Mazda continues to underwhelm, all the time, time to stop glorifying their run of the mill

    C/D TEST RESULTS:
    Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 13.8 sec
    Zero to 130 mph: 28.8 sec
    Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.1 sec
    Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.9 sec
    Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.0 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 101 mph

    Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
    Braking, 70–0 mph: 162 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g

    C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
    Observed: 24 mpg
    75-mph highway driving: 31 mpg
    Highway range: 490 miles

    And this is what Car and Driver wrote about both (pure numbers don't tell the whole story):

    Buick:

    HIGHS: Dapper styling, hatchback versatility, compliant ride, peppy turbo engine.

    LOWS: Middling interior materials, heavy (manual) liftgate, uninspiring dynamics.

    Mazda:

    HIGHS: Superb driving dynamics, class-above interior look and feel, pretty darn pretty.

    LOWS: Virtually no options, no hybrid or plug-in versions, top turbo engine lacks real verve.

    VERDICT: A sports sedan impersonating a mid-size family sedan.

    _______________

    Sorry, even according to C&D not even close

     

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    11 hours ago, William Maley said:

    Is the review in question? 2018 Buick Regal Sportback FWD

    I'm going to burst some bubbles here. I recently just sat in a Regal Sportback over the weekend at a local auto show (more on that in an upcoming Afterthoughts) and I hate to say it, I was disappointed. Many of the plastics used were somewhat middling and didn't feel as nice as the one found in the Mazda, let alone the recent Hyundai Sonata and even the Toyota Camry XSE. For a car that stickered around $38,000, it made me shake my head. The cars just listed - sticker between $2,000 to $6,000 less.

    Now I'll give the Regal that it has the easier infotainment system to use. I'm quietly hoping that Mazda gets their act together and introduces something modern in the next year.

    Is the Mazda6 the be all, end all midsize sedan? No. There are some areas that would make me hesitate to recommend the 6 like the stiff ride. It does some things quite well that it has earned a place in the sedans I would recommend which includes the Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid and Hyundai Sonata.

    I'm withholding comment on the driving dynamics of the Regal till I can get my hands on one. On paper, it may seem like the better car. But I have a sneaking suspicion that I would still pick the 6. 

    You’re right about the Regal interior.  It does come off better in the tan combo. The 6 is one of that cars strong points. 

    I just keep seeing The 6 get praised so much in buff books and the whole ‘when the  Mazda 6 gets a turbo it will the king ‘ and they finally put something other than their mid pack base engine in there and it isn’t near as fast as GM’s ubiquitous 2.0. 

    That was sort of the main point. 

    Buicks handling is not sporting material but it’s a decently quiet cruiser. 

    11 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Honest question where does the Camry fall short compared to the 6 the Malibu and the Sonata?

    I find the Fusion awkward enough that I told the rental car company to stop sending them to me for our school debate trips.

    DTS was a nice car. I like them.

    I think the new Camry with sport package and v6 got some decent buff book reviews lately so yes that is a completely legit question. 

    I want to see this new Altima coming out.  Accord is fugly and deceptively tight inside. New Altima with turbo is worth waiting to see imo 

    30 minutes ago, ykX said:

    And this is what Car and Driver wrote about both (pure numbers don't tell the whole story):

    Buick:

    HIGHS: Dapper styling, hatchback versatility, compliant ride, peppy turbo engine.

    LOWS: Middling interior materials, heavy (manual) liftgate, uninspiring dynamics.

    Mazda:

    HIGHS: Superb driving dynamics, class-above interior look and feel, pretty darn pretty.

    LOWS: Virtually no options, no hybrid or plug-in versions, top turbo engine lacks real verve.

    VERDICT: A sports sedan impersonating a mid-size family sedan.

    _______________

    Sorry, even according to C&D not even close

     

    I never said the Buick with 2.0 was a sport sedan. I was merely pointing out that Mazda’s turbo is still not fast after all this time waiting for it  

    If you’re looking at 35k for a Mazda it’s maybe time to look into a near Lux marque or just get a CPO Audi or BMW. 

     

    And mazda JUST NOW getting CarPlay SMH

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    23 minutes ago, regfootball said:

     

    If you’re looking at 35k for a Mazda it’s maybe time to look into a near Lux marque or just get a CPO Audi or BMW. 

     

    And mazda JUST NOW getting CarPlay SMH

    Unlike Audi or BMW Mazda will not require thousands of dollars to keep it running, $35k is average now for a loaded mid size sedan.

    You are right about Carplay/Android Auto, GM did great by offering it one of the first manufacturers.  But Honda for example just recently started to offer it also, and Toyota starting to do it just now as well.  Mazda is tiny compared to all these giants.

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    14 hours ago, dfelt said:

    FYI, I have been in the CT6, very nice car, but the rear I cannot fit in without the front seat pulled up and I slouch. Still not big enough for my body. Yes I am the exception to many here.

    If you're too big for the back of a CT6 then why do you even care about the ATS and CTS, let alone a Mazda 6.I have to believe the CTS is larger than a Mazda6. 

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    5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    If you're too big for the back of a CT6 then why do you even care about the ATS and CTS, let alone a Mazda 6.I have to believe the CTS is larger than a Mazda6. 

    The Mazda 6 has 99.7 cubic feet of interior volume, the CTS has 97.    

    The Mazda 6 has 3 inches more rear leg room, and about the same hip, head and shoulder room.  (all within an inch).   

    So they are very close dimensionally for rear cabin dimensions.

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    9 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    The Mazda 6 has 99.7 cubic feet of interior volume, the CTS has 97.    

    The Mazda 6 has 3 inches more rear leg room, and about the same hip, head and shoulder room.  (all within an inch).   

    So they are very close dimensionally for rear cabin dimensions.

    Good to know. Good to know.

    And I assume the CT6 is even larger than the Mazda6? 

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    11 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Honest question where does the Camry fall short compared to the 6 the Malibu and the Sonata?

     

    The Camry has a few issues. One is that it doesn't feel as solid as the other three. Close the door on the Camry and it has a very tinny-sound. The other three don't that. Next is the value argument. That XSE I drove awhile carried a pricetag of $35,333 for the four-cylinder. If I want the V6, I need to add another $2,000. That price doesn't include everything you might want such as navigation, heated rear seats, etc. It gets worse as you climb down the lineup as some models don't get certain features. For example, if you want two USB ports, you need to get into the XLE or XSE - otherwise, you're only getting one.

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    16 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    If you're too big for the back of a CT6 then why do you even care about the ATS and CTS, let alone a Mazda 6.I have to believe the CTS is larger than a Mazda6. 

    While I am very tall and muscular, as we well know, the bulk of America is getting bigger in girth and as such, I tend to think about everyone when it comes to a car, CUV, SUV, Truck that can hold people comfortably. 

    I believe that all levels of auto's can be built to hold people comfy and not just be a driver focused auto. The only way change comes about is by pounding the drum for change.

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    6 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Good to know. Good to know.

    And I assume the CT6 is even larger than the Mazda6? 

    Yes. 

    CT6:
    Rear Head Room 38.00 in 
    Rear Leg Room 40.40 in 
    Rear Shoulder Room 56.20 in 
    Rear Hip Room 53.50 in
    and XTS:
    Rear Head Room 37.80 in 
    Rear Leg Room 40.00 in
      Rear Shoulder Room 56.30 in
    Rear Hip Room 54.30 in

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    2 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Yes. 

    CT6:
    Rear Head Room 38.00 in 
    Rear Leg Room 40.40 in 
    Rear Shoulder Room 56.20 in 
    Rear Hip Room 53.50 in
    and XTS:
    Rear Head Room 37.80 in 
    Rear Leg Room 40.00 in
      Rear Shoulder Room 56.30 in
    Rear Hip Room 54.30 in

    Wow, those are very similar. 

    8 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    While I am very tall and muscular, as we well know, the bulk of America is getting bigger in girth and as such, I tend to think about everyone when it comes to a car, CUV, SUV, Truck that can hold people comfortably. 

    I believe that all levels of auto's can be built to hold people comfy and not just be a driver focused auto. The only way change comes about is by pounding the drum for change.

    You're going to be disappointed in 100% of autos that aren't full size SUVs. 

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Wow, those are very similar.  

    Interesting also that the CT6 has a wheelbase almost 11 inches longer than the XTS, yet much the same rear seat space.  The difference being RWD proportions vs FWD proportions. 

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    2 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Interesting also that the CT6 has a wheelbase almost 11 inches longer than the XTS, yet much the same rear seat space.  The difference being RWD proportions vs FWD proportions. 

    Almost all of that is in moving the front wheels forward on the CT6

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    58 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Good to know. Good to know.

    And I assume the CT6 is even larger than the Mazda6? 

    The CT6 is larger, but the CT6 has a 'big hood'.....CT6 has a large back seat but not entirely as much as one would believe with the wheelbase and size of the car.

    A car like the S class has always bragged about leg room in the back seat being a big deal.  So maybe not in midsize class, but for sure in the lux class, it is fair to say that if someone is looking at a luxury car, leg room is a big consideration.

    57 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    While I am very tall and muscular, as we well know, the bulk of America is getting bigger in girth and as such, I tend to think about everyone when it comes to a car, CUV, SUV, Truck that can hold people comfortably. 

    I believe that all levels of auto's can be built to hold people comfy and not just be a driver focused auto. The only way change comes about is by pounding the drum for change.

    CAFE and government pressure to keep making vehicles smaller is why mainstreams cars are getting whacked in size.  If you want size, then you must pay (suburban, big crossovers, etc.)

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    2 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    The CT6 is larger, but the CT6 has a 'big hood'.....CT6 has a large back seat but not entirely as much as one would believe with the wheelbase and size of the car.

    A car like the S class has always bragged about leg room in the back seat being a big deal.  So maybe not in midsize class, but for sure in the lux class, it is fair to say that if someone is looking at a luxury car, leg room is a big consideration.

    CAFE and government pressure to keep making vehicles smaller is why mainstreams cars are getting whacked in size.  If you want size, then you must pay (suburban, big crossovers, etc.)

    So true and spot on in regards to rear seat and leg room.

    Yup you have also nailed it for cafe, as to why all I own is SUV's.

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    46 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    CAFE and government pressure to keep making vehicles smaller is why mainstreams cars are getting whacked in size.  If you want size, then you must pay (suburban, big crossovers, etc.)

    I'm pretty sure CAFE has to do with footprint and that's why vehicles have gotten larger and not smaller.

    @Drew Dowdell(It won't allow me to tag anybody else for some reason) but  doesn't CAFE have to do with the footprint of the vehicle as well as the fuel economy? Isn't that why we need a CAFE score of like 50mpg and not literally 50mpg. 

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    3 hours ago, William Maley said:

    The Camry has a few issues. One is that it doesn't feel as solid as the other three. Close the door on the Camry and it has a very tinny-sound. The other three don't that. Next is the value argument. That XSE I drove awhile carried a pricetag of $35,333 for the four-cylinder. If I want the V6, I need to add another $2,000. That price doesn't include everything you might want such as navigation, heated rear seats, etc. It gets worse as you climb down the lineup as some models don't get certain features. For example, if you want two USB ports, you need to get into the XLE or XSE - otherwise, you're only getting one.

    If I go for a mid sized sedan and want to keep it a long time...do you think these trade offs are worth it for long range durability and resale or would I be better off to look at something else?

    Agree on the Camry not feeling as solid...

    Thinking BRZ or Miata may well be next car...but seriously thinking Sedan also.

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    8 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Thinking BRZ or Miata may well be next car...but seriously thinking Sedan also.


    I'm so disappointed in the BRZ...

    I think they're great looking cars but I looked into getting more power out of them and they're basically dogs unless you throw boost at them and that's disappointing. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWcGW-wlOEg

     

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    1 minute ago, ccap41 said:


    I'm so disappointed in the BRZ...

    I think they're great looking cars but I looked into getting more power out of them and they're basically dogs unless you throw boost at them and that's disappointing. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWcGW-wlOEg

     

    You are soooo right...absolutely.

    Two things drive me that direction-would like to start autocrossing again and that particular chassis does well at a lot of venues here in Ohio.

    Also, wife and family like them so it is a much easier sell at home than a Camaro, Mustang, Miata, or Focus ST.

    Were it just me and I had my choice of anything it would be mustang GT first Choice Civic Type R second choice...Golf R might well come in third.

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    14 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    If I go for a mid sized sedan and want to keep it a long time...do you think these trade offs are worth it for long range durability and resale or would I be better off to look at something else?

    Agree on the Camry not feeling as solid...

    Thinking BRZ or Miata may well be next car...but seriously thinking Sedan also.

    You have or had a Miata previously, right?   

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    10 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    You are soooo right...absolutely.

    Two things drive me that direction-would like to start autocrossing again and that particular chassis does well at a lot of venues here in Ohio.

    Also, wife and family like them so it is a much easier sell at home than a Camaro, Mustang, Miata, or Focus ST.

    Were it just me and I had my choice of anything it would be mustang GT first Choice Civic Type R second choice...Golf R might well come in third.

    Right?!?

    I thought about looking into a used one as a toy last week and thought I'd look up what can be done to get about 200whp and a couple grand gets you almost jack sh!t?!? Super disappointing.

    Does your future toy need to have a back seat? I would think the Mustang's V8 would make it an easy sell to the kiddos...less so to the wifey... 

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    16 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Right?!?

    I thought about looking into a used one as a toy last week and thought I'd look up what can be done to get about 200whp and a couple grand gets you almost jack sh!t?!? Super disappointing.

    Does your future toy need to have a back seat? I would think the Mustang's V8 would make it an easy sell to the kiddos...less so to the wifey... 

    Kids love love love the idea of a Mustang GT...wife feels the exact opposite.

    15 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    I've thinking a lot about the toy thing lately...for summers on Ohio backroads. 

    Foe me...it is how bland everything else on the market is...I am only going to live so long.

    28 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    You have or had a Miata previously, right?   

    A couple of them. Would not mind an S2000 either.

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    1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Kids love love love the idea of a Mustang GT...wife feels the exact opposite.

    Foe me...it is how bland everything else on the market is...I am only going to live so long.

    Yeah, I'm approaching 50...I want to have fun again driving.  I love driving my Jeep, but really want a sports car of some sort. 

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    Just now, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Yeah, I'm approaching 50...I want to have fun again driving.  I love driving my Jeep, but really want a sports car of some sort. 

    I am 53 and my youngest goes away to college next year. I want to enjoy my status as a free man...well sort of...still married and don't plan on changing that.

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    6 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Kids love love love the idea of a Mustang GT...wife feels the exact opposite.

    I am in the same boat, really want Mustang GT but also interested in Miata, BRZ is not doing it to me for some reason.   

    I checked, Mustang commands enormous insurance rates (even higher than a Corvette).  Miata would be fun for autocross and more economical to upkeep and run, but it is like buying a bike, will be very limited use due to the size and also lack of power is bothering me a bit.  Mustang GT would be a awesome and much more useful due to a back seat for kids, more comfortable interior but much more expensive to run.

    Wife will be questioning all the choices but she just got a bigger house and renovated kitchen, I think I deserve to get something as well.

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    1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    If I go for a mid sized sedan and want to keep it a long time...do you think these trade offs are worth it for long range durability and resale or would I be better off to look at something else?

    Agree on the Camry not feeling as solid...

    Thinking BRZ or Miata may well be next car...but seriously thinking Sedan also.

    I think you should get this my friend!

     

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    21 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    I am 53 and my youngest goes away to college next year. I want to enjoy my status as a free man...well sort of...still married and don't plan on changing that.

    Do not forget my friend the gift that keeps on giving, College debt. My kids are out but still paying it off. LOL

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    6 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Do not forget my friend the gift that keeps on giving, College debt. My kids are out but still paying it off. LOL

    Ahhh...I work for a university so tuition is covered. Partially how my daughter will be buying a WRX in the next year or two.

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    I'll be the oddball here and say that for a 2-seater toy I would get a Sky Red-Line.  260 HP would be plenty for me and I don't autocross. 

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    28 minutes ago, ykX said:

    I am in the same boat, really want Mustang GT but also interested in Miata, BRZ is not doing it to me for some reason.   

    I checked, Mustang commands enormous insurance rates (even higher than a Corvette).  Miata would be fun for autocross and more economical to upkeep and run, but it is like buying a bike, will be very limited use due to the size and also lack of power is bothering me a bit.  Mustang GT would be a awesome and much more useful due to a back seat for kids, more comfortable interior but much more expensive to run.

    Wife will be questioning all the choices but she just got a bigger house and renovated kitchen, I think I deserve to get something as well.

    Which is what makes GTI, WRX, ST, RS, R, and ST more than just letters in a soup bowl.

    1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I'll be the oddball here and say that for a 2-seater toy I would get a Sky Red-Line.  260 HP would be plenty for me and I don't autocross. 

    Finding them not beaten to death is a bit of an issue. We looked at that for one of my sons friends. What is out there has pretty much been ridden hard and put away wet.

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    3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I'll be the oddball here and say that for a 2-seater toy I would get a Sky Red-Line.  260 HP would be plenty for me and I don't autocross. 

    I liked how the sky looked more than the solstice. and compared to the miata.... driving dynamics would play a part in that decision

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    I liked the Sky styling more, and the interior more than the Solstice.   But the newest ones are both about 10 years old now, and the interior plastics in both were pretty nasty.   I wouldn't want to fool around with another old car.   For a sports car, I think I'd be more inclined to get a recent Miata or Fiat Spyder.    But I also like hefty coupes like the Challenger R/T & SRT, and hefty convertibles like the Mustang GT...

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    43 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    I liked the Sky styling more, and the interior more than the Solstice.   But the newest ones are both about 10 years old now, and the interior plastics in both were pretty nasty.   I wouldn't want to fool around with another old car.   For a sports car, I think I'd be more inclined to get a recent Miata or Fiat Spyder.    But I also like hefty coupes like the Challenger R/T & SRT, and hefty convertibles like the Mustang GT...

    Split the difference and look at the Camaro. I found even the V6 to be very fun and sporty. 

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    15 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Split the difference and look at the Camaro. I found even the V6 to be very fun and sporty. 

    Maybe in convertible form...the coupes I find to be like being in a cave.  Very poor outward visibility...

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    13 hours ago, regfootball said:

    A good Chrysler crossfire would be a nice vintage find. Hey or an XLR

    Both are maintenance queens

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    7 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    Good to know!  But but the crossfire is a Mercedes I thought German cars were reliable and lasted forever!!

    They are reliable, but maintenance is expensive as they age...remember the old adage, if you can't afford a new Mercedes, you can't afford a used one.  Old German cars are money pits.

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    36 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    Good to know!  But but the crossfire is a Mercedes I thought German cars were reliable and lasted forever!!

    That's because people consider them sunk investments.... they can't possibly trade them in because they just spent $7,000 getting it road worthy again.

     

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    I'm gonna do a bit of a flip flop on all the Mazda6 revisions.  I still would tend to think adding the turbo should have added some more go juice, but they do out of the Japanese automakers tend to put the most effort into interiors.  I think if you prefer Japanese marques I can understand (after 4 years) why someone would be enthusiastic.  The Hondas, Toyotas and Nissans have been a bit of a hot mess the last few years in terms of interiors and styling.

    One thing about the Mazda6, the Mazda CX5 has this too.  Part of where you would normally expect the center stack to be filled in with controls between the top and where they put the climate controls at the bottom is just kind of blank wasted space. 

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    On 10/18/2018 at 9:24 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

    That's because people consider them sunk investments.... they can't possibly trade them in because they just spent $7,000 getting it road worthy again.

     

    I still remember from my stint selling cars, a great customer, who was from another country and was in on work visa for a large company in it was either finance or computers or some high level management thing. When he moved his family here he had to buy cars.  So the first thing he does is buy a new (used) BMW.  He always wanted a BMW.  What was the next thing he had to do?  He had to put 4 grand into the BMW like a week after he bought it.... LOL  I don't even remember what he bought from me, i think it was a truck.  LOL

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    Has anyone noticed the dash of the Madza6? It pays homage to a 1964 Ford Galaxie 500. Both have almost the same clean lines.

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