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09 DODGE JOURNEY first drive

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Las Vegas, Nevada - My first reaction to the Dodge Journey was, "Not another pricey crossover utility vehicle!" - that is until I found out you can buy a Journey in Canada for $19,995 with air, an automatic transmission, four wheel disc brakes and electronic stability control, all included.

There simply isn't anything on the market quite like it at this price point. Another $1,175 adds a flexible seating package to make it a seven passenger vehicle.

they should sell like hot cakes in Canada for that price.

despite the interior

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So we gotta Avenger chassis, which in turn is a Mitsubishi-design, powered by the 2.4 L Mitsubishi. Interesting.

For 20k$ CDN

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The $20,000 question is: WHY THE HELL DOES GM NOT HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS FOR THE CANADIAN MARKET? :angry:

Oh, that's right, we have the HHR (doesn't sell), the Equinox (4 years old) and the Tahoe ($50k and doesn't sell.) They even took away the Optra wagon, not that it was selling well, but at least it was an option.

Unfortunately, Canada as an auto market, is rapidly falling into irrelevance in GM's eyes. It now sells more vehicles in China and Brazil. The trouble is, GM Canada ( a fully independent company, as aathbloke would contend - HA) should decouple itself from Detroit and ally itself with Vauxhall and Opel. The Uplander RWB is a thousand dollars cheaper than this Journey, but its sales have tanked.

People can only be fooled for so long. I would think the Journey will do alright in Canada, as long as people forget how badly they hated their Chrysler minivans.

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20 grand is misleading. The loaded up version at the autoshow had an "as shown" sticker of $29,000!

It is a pretty well thought out little crossover though.

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The HHR rapidly becomes $29k, too. Which would you rather have?

I wonder how the interior volume and layout compares...the HHR seems pretty small inside.

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The $20,000 question is: WHY THE HELL DOES GM NOT HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS FOR THE CANADIAN MARKET? :angry:

Oh, that's right, we have the HHR (doesn't sell), the Equinox (4 years old) and the Tahoe ($50k and doesn't sell.) They even took away the Optra wagon, not that it was selling well, but at least it was an option.

Unfortunately, Canada as an auto market, is rapidly falling into irrelevance in GM's eyes. It now sells more vehicles in China and Brazil. The trouble is, GM Canada ( a fully independent company, as aathbloke would contend - HA) should decouple itself from Detroit and ally itself with Vauxhall and Opel. The Uplander RWB is a thousand dollars cheaper than this Journey, but its sales have tanked.

People can only be fooled for so long. I would think the Journey will do alright in Canada, as long as people forget how badly they hated their Chrysler minivans.

I see the Montana/Uplander SWB all the time, from what I know they're still selling well (considering dealers are getting rid of them for 19K$)

20 grand is misleading. The loaded up version at the autoshow had an "as shown" sticker of $29,000!

It is a pretty well thought out little crossover though.

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$20K for base model.

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$20k for a base model indeed, bu the base model comes with good amount of standard equipment.

...air, an automatic transmission, four wheel disc brakes and electronic stability control, all included.

...All versions of the Journey come with a four-wheel independent suspension with MacPherson struts in front and a multi-link system in the rear. Four wheel disc brakes with an anti-lock system (ABS), traction control, roll mitigation, electronic stability control and a tilt/telescopic steering column are standard on all models.

...The flexible seating package adds a 60/40 split, tilt and slide second row seat and three-zone air conditioning, in addition to a 50/50 split third-row seat.

Basically if you check off the flexible seating package, it's enough for most people who want a people with decent features mover but are on a budget. It only adds $1,175 to the bottom line.

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$21,875 in U.S.$ with the Popular Equipment Group and Exterior Appearance Package......that's alot of car for the money! It'll be a dog with the 2.4L but seems a great value.....

$19,430 for a similarly-equipped HHR LS. The LS lacks alloy wheels but I think otherwise it's pretty similarly-equipped.

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HHR does even compete with this though. It's a size smaller, technically a wagon, and only seats five...probably not comfortably.

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It's the combination of 3rd row availability, interior volume, visibility, ride height, fuel mileage - these are all 'musts' for families on a budget. Polish, you are right: bang for the buck the Uplander is a helluva deal. A six cylinder, 3 rows, OnStar, 17" wheels, ABS, etc., etc. However, GM has been foisting these on us for 4 years now. All the cheap buyers have been taken. Getting a customer out of a 2001 Valu Van (now there was an atrocity!) into an Uplander base was easy, but now those people are going to be coming due and want something better. Not to mention the number of Venture people who were happy (yes, happy) with their Ventures but apalled at the lack of leg room in all 3 rows of the Uplander. What the hell happened? Why did the seats have to grow so 'fat?'

My point is, I was a huge fan of the Uplander - 3 years ago. GM cannot continue to sell on price/value forever, especially when Hyundai and Kia are finally figuring out how to build cars and trucks people won't be ashamed to be seen in. The Journey would have been a great replacement for the Tracker, and something that GM needs in Canada if it is going to remain in the game up here.

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I have to admit that the exterior design has grown on me. It's not exciting, but it is conservatively good looking.

I think it would be interesting if Dodge would offer a turbo 4 cylinder with 6 speed auto and manual trans in this vehicle in the future (maybe with a few tasteful exterior tweaks). Just wishful thinking, but it would be nice (sort of a conservative Mazda CX-7 competitor).

I have put my opinions about the interior on hold until I see one in person. I'm hoping it comes across as some sort of improvement over Chrysler's recent efforts.

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I sat in one at the auto show, and the interior materials are on par with the new Malibu that I also sat in.

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I like it a lot. Just in looks alone. Compared to say a Ford escape or Chev. Equinox it's light years ahead. Very Value driven and so long as it does not have a " Recall " problem like some other Chrysler stuff it should do well

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I read this review in a paper at work. When I saw the 20K base price, I nearly choked on my food; I kept thinking it was a typo.

A decent looking people hauler for 20-21K in Canada is a bargoon, and it's a shame GM has nothing really similar. Props to Chrysler.

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The Journey is $10 cheaper in the US - starts at $19,895 - and that means for the first time, the Canadians will pay less than Americans for cars.

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The Journey is $10 cheaper in the US - starts at $19,895 - and that means for the first time, the Canadians will pay less than Americans for cars.

Apparently, when the Journey is optioned out, Americans still get the better deal. So you guys don't have to feel too bad just yet. :P

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I got a chance to take a quick look at a black 3.5 SXT Journey today. The exterior is very, very sharp, best looking of the small/mid-side CUVs IMO...although the Edge is a close 2nd.

Sat in the interior...plastics are better than the Avenger, probably not class leading but everything was well put together and the armrests were soft. I didn't get much of a chance to poke around, but it certainly seemed livable. It didn't have a 3rd row, so I don't know what it's like back there, but the 2nd row was surprisingly roomy. I had plenty of leg room and I'm 6'1". There's tons of storage areas and cupholders, which I really like. They just got it in Saturday, only oen too. Hopefully it's there when I go to have my oil changed this week so I can look at it more.

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I sat in one at the auto show, and the interior materials are on par with the new Malibu that I also sat in.

I agree. It's definitely an improvement over the Caliber/Avenger interiors that we've had to suffer with over the last few years.....

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HHR does even compete with this though. It's a size smaller, technically a wagon, and only seats five...probably not comfortably.

Prolly.....but I could see potential HHR/PT types maybe looking at this "base" Journey due to it's value-proposition....and the fact it's alot roomier alternative...?? (However, HHRs have huge rebates on them now out here so that would mitigate it a bit.....don't know what Dodge is going to do on the Journey yet.)

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Prolly.....but I could see potential HHR/PT types maybe looking at this "base" Journey due to it's value-proposition....and the fact it's alot roomier alternative...?? (However, HHRs have huge rebates on them now out here so that would mitigate it a bit.....don't know what Dodge is going to do on the Journey yet.)

I could imagine CR-V and RAV4 types looking at the four-cylinder versions. Like the Equinox, it offers more room than the typical, comparably-priced small cute-ute.

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