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I'am getting sick of this shit.UAW threatens to strike Chevrolet Malibu production

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The union is in a quixotic battle against it's own obsolescence, I'm afraid..

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They're using the 'hit them where it hurts most' tactic. Let's see who wins this chapter.

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The thing is, whether you are pro-union or anti-union, the UAW does not understand that they had leverage when they controlled GM, Ford and Chrysler. Now, the 'big 3' only control half the market. Unless they unionize Honda and Toyota plants, they are only succeeding in biting the hand that feeds them.

This is not 1970. Let GM and Ford get off the mat and nail them in the next round of talks when Detroit has some money. Doing it now is just plain suicide.

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The thing is, whether you are pro-union or anti-union, the UAW does not understand that they had leverage when they controlled GM, Ford and Chrysler. Now, the 'big 3' only control half the market. Unless they unionize Honda and Toyota plants, they are only succeeding in biting the hand that feeds them.

This is not 1970. Let GM and Ford get off the mat and nail them in the next round of talks when Detroit has some money. Doing it now is just plain suicide.

I agree: this isn't 1970 and the challenges to the UAW's future relevance are enormous, just as big as the challenges to the Detroit 3 themselves. If they don't agree, the ship will sink.

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Do these contracts go unresolved because the Union is asking for outrageous amounts of money? At this point, it is critical for GM to keep building that car, although a shortage certainly wouldn't hurt the car's image itself, just the pocketbook.

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I am sure union support is about to sink to an all time low around here: the local transit authority is poised to strike on Monday, throwing over a million commuters off the rails. $22 to sit on your ass and sell tickets? C'mon! The trouble is, these guys keep blocking any sort of progress, like hiring newer workers at a lower wage. Why is that so 'unfair?'

I am so sick of unions.

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The thing is, whether you are pro-union or anti-union, the UAW does not understand that they had leverage when they controlled GM, Ford and Chrysler. Now, the 'big 3' only control half the market. Unless they unionize Honda and Toyota plants, they are only succeeding in biting the hand that feeds them.

This is not 1970. Let GM and Ford get off the mat and nail them in the next round of talks when Detroit has some money. Doing it now is just plain suicide.

Agreed.

I'm not understanding why they do it...

I'm actually suprised none of the big 3 has tried to dump the UAW all together.

Are they afraid they might lose a few workers or something?

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Apparently the UAW would rather close down the company and have no jobs than taking a pay cut or whatever. Brilliant logic!

Idiots. <_<

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my guess is there are still enough laws in place to discourage union busting / dumping that gives the union the ability to still pull &#036;h&#33; like this.

actually, i say let the union strike, and let GM milk the pub off this all they want.

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The thing is, whether you are pro-union or anti-union, the UAW does not understand that they had leverage when they controlled GM, Ford and Chrysler. Now, the 'big 3' only control half the market. Unless they unionize Honda and Toyota plants, they are only succeeding in biting the hand that feeds them.

This is not 1970. Let GM and Ford get off the mat and nail them in the next round of talks when Detroit has some money. Doing it now is just plain suicide.

...agreed. let them sit home without pay for six months and we'll see how well they feed their kids and how well they make their house payments.

Chris

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I am sure union support is about to sink to an all time low around here: the local transit authority is poised to strike on Monday, throwing over a million commuters off the rails. $22 to sit on your ass and sell tickets? C'mon! The trouble is, these guys keep blocking any sort of progress, like hiring newer workers at a lower wage. Why is that so 'unfair?'

I am so sick of unions.

While I am voting Democratic in the fall, it pains me greatly to think that I could be furthering the union cause by doing so.

I also am sick to death of unions.

Chris

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You know, unions did start out with good intentions -- better pay and better working environments for the everyday working man -- but now they have pushed beyond the point of being greedy. Should there be a cap on how much a union can do? Perhaps.

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You know, unions did start out with good intentions -- better pay and better working environments for the everyday working man -- but now they have pushed beyond the point of being greedy. Should there be a cap on how much a union can do? Perhaps.

The working world is muvh better than it was 100 years ago.

Unions have outlived their usefulness....

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The Chinese get the Buick Invicta. I doubt the UAW insisted upon that. Sharp car that one. Will we get a watered down version later?

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The Chinese get the Buick Invicta. I doubt the UAW insisted upon that. Sharp car that one. Will we get a watered down version later?

No...

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The Chinese get the Buick Invicta. I doubt the UAW insisted upon that. Sharp car that one. Will we get a watered down version later?

You sound so positively negative! Are you my own mother by any chance? You sound just like her! :smilewide:

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You sound so positively negative! Are you my own mother by any chance? You sound just like her! :smilewide:

No, I'm not. But clean your room. <_< I was commenting on GM's penchant for not bringing the sweetest looking rides here first.

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While I am voting Democratic in the fall, it pains me greatly to think that I could be furthering the union cause by doing so.

I also am sick to death of unions.

Chris

^This is why I have voted republican for the last 30 plus years...^

Honestly Hill or Obama is gonna wanna sleep in bed with the Union workers. Vote for someone who oppose Unions and let good companys get screwed over. I also vote for republicans because of right to life issues amoung many others. Having said that my favorite dem in Hillary by a mile over Obama. Enough politics get rid of the Union.

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No, I'm not. But clean your room. <_< I was commenting on GM's penchant for not bringing the sweetest looking rides here first.

When it comes to GM, it means more than North America. :AH-HA_wink:

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While I am voting Democratic in the fall, it pains me greatly to think that I could be furthering the union cause by doing so.

I also am sick to death of unions.

Chris

Unions are the one qualm I have about voting Democratic...but the alternative (voting Republican) would be far worse for me, IMHO...

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By the way. Unions are not the problem. Their workers comprise around 12% of the workforce. The 'workplace' and the 'working-world' as some have termed it is not so inviting and hospitable as some would have you believe it is. It is presently like a game of musical chairs. Too much music and far too few chairs. IT jobs can be key-stroked overnight to Rawalpindi and Bangalore. Bill Gates pleads before Congress for more H1B visas, a spectacle as regular as the cherry blossom festival down in DC. Colleges graduate sub-standard product and a marksman occasionally. America is in retrograde. Tip. Iceberg.

I'm adding this link to a New York Times piece which speaks to the concerns of some with regard to education and to how it may affect the Nation as a whole and our competitiveness in the Global arena.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/opinion/...&ei=5087%0A

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By the way. Unions are not the problem. Their workers comprise around 12% of the workforce. The 'workplace' and the 'working-world' as some have termed it is not so inviting and hospitable as some would have you believe it is. It is presently like a game of musical chairs. Too much music and not enough chairs. IT jobs can be key-stroked overnight to Rawalpindi and Bangalore. Bill Gates pleads before Congress for more H1B visas, a spectacle as regular as the cherry blossom festival down in DC. Colleges graduate sub-standard product and a marksman occasionally. America is in retrograde. Tip. Icebeg.

If they didn't blame the Unions, the management of the Big 2.8 might actually have to blame themselves! (When's the last time one of these guys took responsibility for their inability to plan for market corrections? Never.)

The Union issues are just one of the many problems each company has as they lurch into the 21st century with overcapacity in the US and uncertainty abroad. GM has consistently displayed an uncanny knack for half-steps, when giant leaps are needed. Mark my words, another round of drastic downsizing will take place at GM within the next 18 months--the erosion of the large truck market nearly guarantees it.

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If they didn't blame the Unions, the management of the Big 2.8 might actually have to blame themselves! (When's the last time one of these guys took responsibility for their inability to plan for market corrections? Never.)

The Union issues are just one of the many problems each company has as they lurch into the 21st century with overcapacity in the US and uncertainty abroad. GM has consistently displayed an uncanny knack for half-steps, when giant leaps are needed. Mark my words, another round of drastic downsizing will take place at GM within the next 18 months--the erosion of the large truck market nearly guarantees it.

By blaming Unions, the D3 the scope of the problem is artificially limited. Like hiding under the covers.

I apologize if it would seem to some as pushing an agenda. I'll throw in the New York Times link one last time so it can be recognized more readily. sit back and take my 'lumps'. Thank you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/opinion/...&ei=5087%0A

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