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Chevrolet to get a new compact car for sale early next year

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Jamie LaReau

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June 2, 2008 - 1:52 pm ET

DETROIT -- General Motors will unveil a Chevrolet compact car at an auto show this fall, with production slated to begin early next year, say sources familiar with GM's product program.

The vehicle will be built on the Delta compact car architecture at GM's plant in Lordstown, Ohio.

The car will use a new 1.4-liter global engine that GM developed and recently announced in Europe. The turbocharged four-cylinder engine will be used in several GM vehicles worldwide.

The Chevrolet compact will not be called the Cobalt, says one source familiar with the plans. GM will produce the current-generation Cobalt through June 2010 as a 2009 model. It was unclear from sources whether GM will continue to build the Cobalt after that.

Shared among five nameplates

The car's engine will be capable of developing between 120 and 140 hp. Sources say mileage could easily exceed 40 mpg.

"It's a pretty incredible engine; it's direct-injected with great power," the source says. "The small-displacement turbos make it possible to get great power so that GM might put it in the mid-sized products, too. It's an extremely important engine and a very capable powertrain."

The new engine will be shared among five nameplates: Chevrolet, Pontiac, Saturn, Opel and Daewoo, sources say. That means the Lordstown plant could build cars for export.

The engine continues the trend that GM started with such cars as the Pontiac Solstice GXP and Saturn Sky Red Line. Those cars use smaller engines and high-technology devices such as direct fuel injection and turbochargers to boost fuel economy and performance.

Lordstown plant retooling

GM is retooling its plant in Lordstown for a new vehicle, sources say. Lordstown union officials have heard that GM plans to add a shift.

GM now is building between 1,400 and 1,500 cars a day at Lordstown; adding a shift would increase that output to 2,100 cars a day. GM builds the Chevrolet Cobalt as well as the Pontiac G5 and its Canadian counterpart, the Pontiac Pursuit, at the Lordstown plant. All these vehicles also are built on the Delta architecture.

Meanwhile, GM is reconsidering bringing the Chevrolet minicar, the Beat, to the United States.

"The Beat for the U.S. is getting a pretty thorough examination now that you see what's going on with fuel prices," says a source close to GM's product development. "It isn't definitively on there as a go product, but there is a lot of inside chatter and it's on the consideration list."

Link: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...p;rssfeed=RSS34

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Relative size to the Cobalt? Body styles (sedan, coupe, hatch)? How "early next year" will it be sold?

Being that the 1.4L is turbocharged, is it safe to assume it will require premium fuel?

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[sarcasm]Sorry, but I didn't see a concept for this car 3 years ago and Chevrolet is being completely ingored with the dealers suffering for new product. GM management didn't foresee the gas crisis so nothing fuel efficient is coming out until 2015 at the earliest... There's just no way this car exists. [/sarcasm]

Anyway, Congrats for GM and Chevrolet. This explains why the Cobalt didn't receive the normal MCE. GM must have moved up the Cobalt replacement as some here hoped for and suggested. :smilewide:

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The Chevrolet compact will not be called the Cobalt, says one source familiar with the plans. GM will produce the current-generation Cobalt through June 2010 as a 2009 model. It was unclear from sources whether GM will continue to build the Cobalt after that.

If it's replacing the Cobalt; GM is ignorant. Customers are just now becoming acclimated with the Cobalt name now that gas is so high. Why go and have to build identity for a brand new name? (With the no money that GM has)

The car's engine will be capable of developing between 120 and 140 hp. Sources say mileage could easily exceed 40 mpg.

"It's a pretty incredible engine; it's direct-injected with great power," the source says. "The small-displacement turbos make it possible to get great power so that GM might put it in the mid-sized products, too. It's an extremely important engine and a very capable powertrain."

Great power my ass... And why couldn't this technology be applied to a slightly bigger 'buzz box' and slid into Zeta?

The new engine will be shared among five nameplates: Chevrolet, Pontiac, Saturn, Opel and Daewoo, sources say. That means the Lordstown plant could build cars for export.
Astra replacement and G5 replacement? My curiosity is up now about the Pontiac model. (Although it's probably just a clone of the Chevrolet)

Meanwhile, GM is reconsidering bringing the Chevrolet minicar, the Beat, to the United States.

I thought it was a done deal? How stupid is GM? the damn car should be on the schedule NOW!

"The Beat for the U.S. is getting a pretty thorough examination now that you see what's going on with fuel prices," says a source close to GM's product development. "It isn't definitively on there as a go product, but there is a lot of inside chatter and it's on the consideration list."

So they'll "think about it" for 3 damn years and allow everyone else to get a head start. Then they'll give us a Beat that has been introduced across the globe for 3 years already and fail miserably. (You know, like the genius that is the Astra program)

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Thank You GME for the New 1.4-liter Global Engine! :wub:

Yes,

I'm sure Briggs and Straton is shaking in it's boots.

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FOG... I'm guessing the name change is so that the car will be sold globally as a single Chevrolet model. I don't think the "Cobalt" name would travel well internationally.

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[sarcasm]Sorry, but I didn't see a concept for this car 3 years ago and Chevrolet is being completely ingored with the dealers suffering for new product. GM management didn't foresee the gas crisis so nothing fuel efficient is coming out until 2015 at the earliest... There's just no way this car exists. [/sarcasm]

Anyway, Congrats for GM and Chevrolet. This explains why the Cobalt didn't receive the normal MCE. GM must have moved up the Cobalt replacement as some here hoped for and suggested. :smilewide:

GOOD GOD! GM took away my one usual complaint. I'm hoping for the best.

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Thank You GME for the New 1.4-liter Global Engine! :wub:

Edit, another source - http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/chevrol...for-gm-in-2009/

OK... so smaller then a Cobalt, but bigger then an Aveo?

When are Q3 and Q4, and in this case will the reveal be a concept or production version (if production, when will it be in dealerships)?

Any more information (regarding questions in this post and my past post) would be appreciated.

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Please, don't let it be the only engine option. Give Chevy an SS, Saturn a Red Line, and Pontiac a GXP. (And make sure they all deserve the name!) 140 can be a reasonable amount of power, especially if they've smartened up & are putting these next gen products on a diet, but even if the powerband is good, 140hp isn't going to get people really, really excited. (see Astra)

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This is great news. FOG, choice is good, no? We are north of $5 a gallon here, and let me tell you - a well built, well designed car that gets 40 mpg or better will be welcomed with open arms here. A turbo sounds interesting, too. Why would it have to run on premium? This vehicle shouldn't be tuned to be a rocket.

Enzl, over to you....

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This should be interesting....

I get the feeling that this is the start of something....

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This is great news...perhaps the rumored pull-ahead of Delta...or a running change of plan to put export product together here while the $ is in the toilet?

No complaints, this is exactly what GM has to do to survive.

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Good news. And a car smaller than the Cobalt is fine. Cobalt is bigger than Civic, Corolla, Sentra, Focus, and the list goes on and on... and some of them it's significantly bigger than... the Focus is 5 1/2 inches shorter.

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My only complaint is that there should not be a Pontiac version.

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Hmm so will this be a car inbetween the Cobalt and Aveo eh? So in effect is the Cobalt replacement? Or will they redo that one along with the G5 later?

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My only complaint is that there should not be a Pontiac version.

Who knows if it's coming here, though? Hopefully it's just for Canada.

The Chevy was originally an Aug 2009 intro, so it's been moved up ~6 months... if everything else has been moved up 6 months on Global Delta, the Astra will be here late 2009/early 2010 in sedan form, and around the same time as the Chevy if we're getting the 5-door this go around as well. The 3-door comes at basically the same time as the sedan.

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It is amazing how fast this news hit once the UAW signed it deal. Too bad they did not sign it sooner.

These are the cars that will pay the bills if gas remains high. At least they are giving us something to drive that is 90 Hp like the old Iron Duke Citations of the past.

Not a car I would want but one GM needs.

I expect the fuel will be premium but will run ok on regular with a loss of about 20 HP. This is how the other tubo and 3800 series III supercharged engines are running.

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It is amazing how fast this news hit once the UAW signed it deal. Too bad they did not sign it sooner.

These are the cars that will pay the bills if gas remains high. At least they are giving us something to drive that is 90 Hp like the old Iron Duke Citations of the past.

Not a car I would want but one GM needs.

I expect the fuel will be premium but will run ok on regular with a loss of about 20 HP. This is how the other tubo and 3800 series III supercharged engines are running.

The 2.0L DI Turbo used in the HHR SS runs on regular gas, not premium. So odds are this new engine won't require premium.

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This is good news, but I can't understand why they're keeping the Cobalt around for an extra year. Its styling is already very dated, and it's not very competitive.

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Who knows if it's coming here, though? Hopefully it's just for Canada.

The Chevy was originally an Aug 2009 intro, so it's been moved up ~6 months... if everything else has been moved up 6 months on Global Delta, the Astra will be here late 2009/early 2010 in sedan form, and around the same time as the Chevy if we're getting the 5-door this go around as well. The 3-door comes at basically the same time as the sedan.

It will be a North American Pontiac, all of North America.

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This is good news, but I can't understand why they're keeping the Cobalt around for an extra year. Its styling is already very dated, and it's not very competitive.

Fleets, probably.

It will be a North American Pontiac, all of North America.

Want to give a hint as to how soon? It could be the Vibe replacement, which is really just an MCE, anyways (same basic interior). You could answer "soon" (less than 2 years) or "not soon" (more than 2 years) :AH-HA_wink:

If done right a small FWD Pontiac is OK as long as we still get an Alpha one (perhaps bigger than the Delta car), but it is unneeded. R&T or C&D (can't remember which) just tested the Cobalt SS turbo and said it's the best handling sport-compact ever, so it's not as if GM couldn't do a very sport FWD compact Pontiac.

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Fleets, probably.

Want to give a hint as to how soon? It could be the Vibe replacement, which is really just an MCE, anyways (same basic interior). You could answer "soon" (less than 2 years) or "not soon" (more than 2 years) :AH-HA_wink:

If done right a small FWD Pontiac is OK as long as we still get an Alpha one (perhaps bigger than the Delta car), but it is unneeded. R&T or C&D (can't remember which) just tested the Cobalt SS turbo and said it's the best handling sport-compact ever, so it's not as if GM couldn't do a very sport FWD compact Pontiac.

It will be revealed either in Frankfurt or the Paris Auto shows in the fall. If I had to bet it will be Frankfurt. You should have production version by 1st or early 2nd quarter 2009. I don't see an Alpha in Pontiac's future, I see one for Cadillac, Buick and Chevrolet. But hey, I could be wrong, I was once! :AH-HA_wink:

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Let the record show that I feel as if there is a glaring error in giving Buick a car on Alpha.

Here is your captain obvious moment for tonight:

Chevrolet Alpha = Camaro

Cadillac Alpha = BLS-replacement

:P

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Let the record show that I feel as if there is a glaring error in giving Buick a car on Alpha.

Here is your captain obvious moment for tonight:

Chevrolet Alpha = Camaro

Cadillac Alpha = BLS-replacement

Well, since Pontiac seems to be heading towards an Aveo-clone strategy, couldn't Buick have it's own Riviera or Velite sitting on Alpha? Or maybe a slightly restlyed Holden Torana sedan? Or even something that is China-only?

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