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$17,000 or so to start-aluminum wheels better be standard, along with that 2.4. for that price-a 1.8-liter I-4 just won't cut it regardless of whether or not it has 130hp-this isn't Europe, and they should've learned something from Chevy with the 2.2-liter HHR models. Have fun losing sales Dodge without a real compact car.
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The media carps about GM being caught with its pants down in this new market, but Chrysler really seems to be swimming upstream. Their entire marketing campaign is swaddled in HEMI. At $3 a gallon, I am not sure HEMI is the way to go. Their trucks keep getting bigger and bigger on the outside with bigger and bigger engines, but they are doing big just for the sake of being big - they don't bring anything new to the market. And car sales? Other than the 300, what do they have that is selling well? Dodge will get their asses kicked in Canada where sales of the Aveo, Echo/Yaris and other vehicles are on the rise. Eight years ago, the Neon was a strong contender in the small car department. Lately, nobody mentions Chrysler when it comes to small cars. This will pretty much leave the Cobalt/Pursuit twins to battle the Civic alone. Chrysler is really missing the boat on this one. I am sure the Caliber will do well, but they are going to miss out on the crucial student/young adult market who are very price sensitive.
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One advantage the Calibre has over the Cobalt is the hatchback. The lack of hatchback body styles is a real limitation of the Cobalt compared to the Focus, Mazda3, and other compacts, IMHO.
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http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103446

$17,000 or so to start-aluminum wheels better be standard, along with that 2.4. for that price-a 1.8-liter I-4 just won't cut it regardless of whether or not it has 130hp-this isn't Europe, and they should've learned something from Chevy with the 2.2-liter HHR models. Have fun losing sales Dodge without a real compact car.


Actually, with $3 gas prices the norm now, a car like the Caliber makes perfect sense for the US now.
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Their entire marketing campaign is swaddled in HEMI. At $3 a gallon, I am not sure HEMI is the way to go. Their trucks keep getting bigger and bigger on the outside with bigger and bigger engines, but they are doing big just for the sake of being big - they don't bring anything new to the market.

And car sales?  Other than the 300, what do they have that is selling well?

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PT Cruiser still sells pretty well.......but I guess that's technically classified as a truck.

Maybe they are leaving room for a truely small car. Maybe something like the Dodge Slingshot based on the SMART roadster:
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They also have the Sebring and Stratus replacements coming in less than a year (they have been delayed slightly).

As far as fuel costs.......well they have two new 4 cyl Jeeps comming out, along with new 4 cyl Sebring's/Stratus's......the 4 cyl Caliber and the PT Cruiser replacement. They also have deisel varients of alot of their vehicles, to help with fuel economy.

Chrysler is not GM. They don't have to compete with the volume GM produces. They have one or two cars in each catagory, and that's it. Edited by BrewSwillis
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Yes, what's the real deal? Dodge will have no compact car at all now and its lowest model will be the Caliber? Caliber Stratus Magnum/Charger Nice lineup...
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All I am saying it that, overall, it is bad for them. They are barely keeping ahead of Toyota or Honda in overall sales. In car sales, Toyota and HOnda sell the same or more than they do. At one time, Plymouth and Dodge each had 4 or 5 models, as well as Chrysler's. It has been a long, downhill slide for a once proud company. They have too few models spread too thin. I am not saying they have a choice, but each time a college student defects to the Yaris or Focus or whatever, it is another nail in the coffin of Chrysler's market share. No doubt Chrysler has financial/engineering constraints that we can only imagine, but leaving a hole in your segment only invites defection of customers. For example, how many potential customers did Oldsmobile lose because they had no mid-sized car in 1997? GM is paying the price now because it ignored the small car segment for the past several years; only getting religion in the past two years.
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All I am saying it that, overall, it is bad for them.  They are barely keeping ahead of Toyota or Honda in overall sales.  In car sales, Toyota and HOnda sell the same or more than they do.  At one time, Plymouth and Dodge each had 4 or 5 models, as well as Chrysler's.
It has been a long, downhill slide for a once proud company.  They have too few models spread too thin.  I am not saying they have a choice, but each time a college student defects to the Yaris or Focus or whatever, it is another nail in the coffin of Chrysler's market share.  No doubt Chrysler has financial/engineering constraints that we can only imagine, but leaving a hole in your segment only invites defection of customers.
  For example, how many potential customers did Oldsmobile lose because they had no mid-sized car in 1997?
  GM is paying the price now because it ignored the small car segment for the past several years; only getting religion in the past two years.

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Chrysler just posted a profit (unlike GM&Ford)...the Caliber will have 2 Jeep sister products and DCX has smart branded cars, small MB's (A/B class) and will sell Dodge, Chryslers and Jeeps in Europe....where small cars sell (& for a premium price).

The new Caliber plant can produce 400k vehicles/yr. What are you talking about?
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Chrysler just posted a profit (unlike GM&Ford)...the Caliber will have 2 Jeep sister products and DCX has smart branded cars, small MB's (A/B class) and will sell Dodge, Chryslers and Jeeps in Europe....where small cars sell (& for a premium price).

The new Caliber plant can produce 400k vehicles/yr. What are you talking about?

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I predict that Caliber (and Patriot and Compass) will be big hits.....maybe even along the lines of the original PT. It's got style, roominess, and the new 2.4L is said to produce upwards of 170hp (matching the EcoTec 2.4)

AND.....who's to say they can't put the 2.4L Turbo H.O. (230hp) into this chassis?

Could they use something smaller and less-expensive? Sure....and we'll probably see it somewhere down the road....but Enzl is right....Chrysler is the healthiest of the Big 3 right now....
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The Caliber will be a hit, especially if the weight/power ratio works out well, unlike the original PT. BTW, the Focus and Mazda3 are offered in wagon variants that look better than the sedans.
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Yes, what's the real deal? Dodge will have no compact car at all now and its lowest model will be the Caliber?

Caliber
Stratus
Magnum/Charger

Nice lineup...


Huh? The Caliber is a compact...the Stratus is a midsize, the Magnum and Charger are full size...
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BTW, the Focus and Mazda3 are offered in wagon variants that look better than the sedans.

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I have never understood why the Focus wagon does not sell better. It is probably my favorite small car, and I would love it with a turbo diesel.
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Also, isn't there a confirmed rumor that VW would be sharing the Polo platform with DCX? That would bring in a smaller auto, one that is almost exactly the same dimensions as the original Golf/Rabbit. That would cover the small car end of the market in the states.
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I have never understood why the Focus wagon does not sell better.  It is probably my favorite small car, and I would love it with a turbo diesel.

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the escape takes sales from the otherwise awesome focus wagon
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chrylser and dodge with their whole hemi based image now and big trucks really has made them sort of a redneck image for a lot of its products. then they have the vans. aside from that, Chrysler is very anti meanstream right now and that direction could very well hurt their long term future. the upcoming stratus replacement is UGLY and will do nothing for them. Chrylser can only ride the hemi and 300 for so long before their well is dry. the caliber is a good start, but doesn't appear to bring anything truly unique to the table. As an example, wouldn't you still just get a four cylinder escape or an Element before the Calibre?
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chrylser and dodge with their whole hemi based image now and big trucks really has made them sort of a redneck image for a lot of its products, taking the redneck crown away from pontiac, (who now has some real cred i feel).  then they have the vans.  aside from that, Chrysler is very anti meanstream right now and that direction could very well hurt their long term future.  the upcoming stratus replacement is UGLY and will do nothing for them.  Chrylser can only ride the hemi and 300 for so long before their well is dry.  the caliber is a good start, but doesn't appear to bring anything truly unique to the table.  As an example, wouldn't you still just get a four cylinder escape or an Element before the Calibre?

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As an example, wouldn't you still just get a four cylinder escape or an Element before the Calibre?

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The Caliber is a hatchback/wagon, not an SUV. It not really fair to compare it to the Escape or Element.

Now if you wanted a 4cyl SUV, wouldn't you get a Jeep Patriot before you get an Escape or Element?

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  Their entire marketing campaign is swaddled in HEMI.  At $3 a gallon, I am not sure HEMI is the way to go.

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where are you at? is gas still that high where you are? if so, i am sorry. here in michigan we're paying about $2.30 for regular no lead (which is what the mopar burns).
sad part is when you add a markup to the wholesale price we should be at about 2.19. when you look at the glut of oil and the overstock of refined gas, in texas, we should be paying a buck something.
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I think it will do well...but I think it should be priced lower..

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and you know how this works. mssp: $17,000.00 your price...$15,300.00. and when you think about it, thats probably a lot of car for the $$.
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won't this be competing directly with their own PT cruiser? i think it's a dumb move to abandon the neon. the only reason the second generation failed is because they didn't try to keep the fun feeling of the original, it became a boring car that did no one thing well. except the last minute srt-4. i also think they should have kept the two door, and added a convertible. this is something the cobalt needs badly, a convertible. and dont say solstice or sky, that is a different demographic. think secretaries car. . . Edited by thedriver
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The Caliber is a hatchback/wagon, not an SUV.  It not really fair to compare it to the Escape or Element.

Now if you wanted a 4cyl SUV, wouldn't you get a Jeep Patriot before you get an Escape or Element?

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the caliber by virtue of its hatchback falls into the same market group as vehicles like the Escape and Element and Vibe....smaller 4 cylinder getabouts with cargo room....and buyers, especially women, will compare them that way.

patriot looks ok, but its not a REAL jeep. its a pussified non trial rated version made to look like a jeep.

and already with the Liberty...why would they bother? Edited by regfootball
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the caliber by virtue of its hatchback falls into the same market group as vehicles like the Escape and Element and Vibe....smaller 4 cylinder getabouts with cargo room....and buyers, especially women, will compare them that way.

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Wierd...I can't see comparing the Escape, Element with the Caliber...I see comparing the Caliber with the Focus 5dr hatchback and Mazda3 5dr hatchback,and the Vibe... the Escape is a compact SUV and the Element is a box..different realities.


What I find interesting about the Patriot styling is it looks a lot like the old XJ Cherokee (roofline). Edited by moltar
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the caliber by virtue of its hatchback falls into the same market group as vehicles like the Escape and Element and Vibe....smaller 4 cylinder getabouts with cargo room....and buyers, especially women, will compare them that way.

patriot looks ok, but its not a REAL jeep.  its a pussified non trial rated version made to look like a jeep.

and already with the Liberty...why would they bother?

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The Liberty is rumored to be getting a little bigger along with the new Dodge Nitro. The Patriot is still smaller than the Liberty right now, but the Liberty will get bigger. I believe the Patriot may be trail rated, but the Compass will just be an AWD soft roader.
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