Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Camino LS6

If GM is reduced to Chevy and Caddy

67 posts in this topic

They will have nothing left to sell to me anytime soon.

The only candidates will be:

Corvette: too expensive

Camaro: cool, but not individual enough for my taste

A Chevy truck: I won't need one until at least 2015

And that's it.

Nothing else comes anywhere close to what I'd buy.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would have the Cobalt SS. Already I'm scared that they will shut down the Solstice/Sky which is the GM car I most want right now...but at 300 units a month, it's not enough to keep any assembly lines rolling.

BTW, I wonder how long it took to build the 300 53 Corvettes.

...and I agree about the Camaro individuality thing. I love it but would rather have the Cobalt SS/Sky/Solstice.

It's a shame that the Astra has turned out to be such a dud, one of the best cars GM ever brought out in the North American marketplace.

Chris

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

...I'm really wondering if there isn't a future for me as a biker or walker if the present trend continues. Seriously. If GM goes and the Accord/Camry/Altima type V6 jellybean car is all that is left, I'm getting a bike.

Chris

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I will continue to do what I have always done, only buy and drive what I like.

However, I may have to build them for myself if nothing I want is available new.

I will never buy a new car that doesn't fit my requirements. That means I won't settle for a sedan, or FWD, and so on.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd settle for a sedan if it was a G8, or FWD for a MINI Cooper S or Cobalt SS. )Or perhaps a VW TDI.

But yeah, I can look at a whole parking lot of modern cars and see nothing that I'd want to own.

Chris

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I will continue to do what I have always done, only buy and drive what I like.

However, I may have to build them for myself if nothing I want is available new.

Totally agree with you. I've said it a million times and I'll say it again: when it comes time for me to purchase a home, it MUST have ample garage space because I see redoing a lot of old Cadillacs and Chevy/GMC trucks in my future.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Totally agree with you. I've said it a million times and I'll say it again: when it comes time for me to purchase a home, it MUST have ample garage space because I see redoing a lot of old Cadillacs and Chevy/GMC trucks in my future.

You buy that '76 yet?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would love to own a Caddy someday- they were my first automotive love, but that's a few decades off.

I do not care for most Chevys, unfortunately; the Corvette is awesome, the Camaro, too, and I like their trucks (buddy has an '08 Silverado 1500 Crew 5.3- what a beautiful truck), but I am over here in a Chevy from the Ford truck camp; and with the job Ford does there- I could go right back.

But the biggest thing for me is, I may never buy new again- I cannot stomach the depreciation- all new cars suck in value retention vs. a 3-4 yr old car.

But if another GM division goes away, I will be heartbroken. Not to the point of swearing off GM, but heartbroken all the same.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I would love to own a Caddy someday- they were my first automotive love, but that's a few decades off.

I do not care for most Chevys, unfortunately; the Corvette is awesome, the Camaro, too, and I like their trucks (buddy has an '08 Silverado 1500 Crew 5.3- what a beautiful truck), but I am over here in a Chevy from the Ford truck camp; and with the job Ford does there- I could go right back.

But the biggest thing for me is, I may never buy new again- I cannot stomach the depreciation- all new cars suck in value retention vs. a 3-4 yr old car.

But if another GM division goes away, I will be heartbroken. Not to the point of swearing off GM, but heartbroken all the same.

Well, we cross paths on many things, but the differences between us can be found in this post of yours as well.

I've never cared one whit about Caddy generally. I just don't have much love for luxury cars in general.

Chevy, on the other hand, used to build so many cars I loved that it was hard to pick any one out of the fleet. Not so much anymore, as most of the pride has left them and they are seen as generics (the Vette and Camaro excepted). As for trucks, I am a life-long Chevy truck buyer and have no intention of switching to any other brand. The final point of difference is that I am very willing to buy new, if they build something I really like. I did so with the Firehawk, and the GTO, and intend to do so again with the G8 ST. Without such cars, I simply won't bother with new.

I too, will truly be heartbroken if a real GM brand goes away. Hummer, Saturn, and Saab do not count.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>>"Hummer, Saturn, and Saab do not count."<<

Agreed, completely.

I would buy new if I could justify it, budget-wise, but I have 2 sons and disposable income is earmarked elsewhere. Besides, for me- "new' is anything within 4 yrs old.

As for Cadillac, you know this is sourced from 'my era'; the '50s-60s, where Chevys usually could only afford to have 3-piece front bumpers, etc, while Cadillac was building 175+ possible different cars between models, trims & options. I do appreciate the -say- '56 Chevy (same buddy also owns a '56 Bel Air 2-dr), but waggle a '56 Eldorado Seville infront of me and I'm jello. A lot of it also comes from the back story; the innovation, detailing & the craftsmanship (pre-war thru the '70s). These cars were truely special, on par with the world's best, or better than them.

Spin the dial to today and I think the CTS is fantastic (both gens), and when I talk of possibly owning one of them someday, that's the type I'm thinking of. It will still pale in my book to a true classic Caddy, tho. I would enjoy a '28 CTS, but I would still daydream of a '60 Eldo Seville...

Best of both worlds : stick me in a '60s Pontiac.

Edited by balthazar
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Best of both worlds : stick me in a '60s Pontiac.

And this is exactly where our paths cross.

With Caddy I've always been indifferent, and only a handful of Olds and Buick models have ever had my attention.

But Pontiac has always had that edge of exclusivity and individuality that somehow turned a related Chevy model I already liked into a second-place finisher.

Even within the model spread at Pontiac, I would usually want to follow the path less travelled.

ex. : My Firehawk was a Formula and not a Trans Am.

So, despite my undying devotion to the El Camino, the Pontiac G8 ST is almost more perfect for me than a new 'Camino would have been.

Almost. :AH-HA_wink:

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The problem with Chevy-Cadillac is no middle ground brand. If Chevy covers the bottom end and Cadillac the high end, a brand will still be needed to cover the middle end. I know Toyota has gotten away with just them and Lexus until a few years ago when Scion joined on, but that means there's Scion, Toyota and Lexus to cover three distinct buyers. Even Ford uses three brands to cover the market, and that's not counting the "commercial" side of the truck business.

Anyway, back to the question you posed... I know Cadillac won't go down in price, so even though I like the CTS lineup and the DTS, they'll be way out of my price range. As for Chevy, I do like the Camaro, though it really isn't on my radar as a possibility; the Cobalt is nice, but not really "me"; the Impala is outdated and too plain for my tastes; I like the HHR, but feel it is too small for my preferences; the Silverado/Tahoe/Suburban I like a lot but are out of my price range; the Colorado is okay, but would be a big compromise (I feel the same way about the Canyon too); I like the Equinox, but would rather have the Pontiac Torrent; the Aveo is no where near my want list; the Corvette, while awesome, is too far out of reach, plus isn't a good family vehicle; leaving just the Malibu, which fits the bill but I want the EpII for the wider platform before I own another Epsilon-based vehicle ('04 Malibu LT, '07 AURA XE, and the wife's '08 G6 V6).

Needless to say, should GM decide to cut Pontiac soon, I would be very inclined to buy a Pontiac G8 or Pontiac Torrent before the division closes. I'd have to plead to my Pontiac dealer and/or GMAC to make the last 10 payments of my AURA lease somehow "go away" so I could get my last Pontiac.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The writing has been on the wall for Pontiac for sometime now. But just the thought of this division no longer exisiting

fills me with sadness. My father was a Pontiac guy, they were beautiful cars. Always two door coupes of course and a

convertible. Sad for Canada too, historically Pontiac has been popular here.

63pontiacxo9.jpg

Edited by HarleyEarl
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, if GM is reduced to Chevy and Cadillac, GM has more chance of getting anyone to buy their product than they do if GM is reduced to nothing at all... just sayin'.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

f@#king sad, this is. :(

Balthy: Anything within 5-years is considered "new" by you?

I'dgo as far as 7-8 years. :P

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think GM can do OK with just Cadillac and Chevrolet. There won't be that big of a gap between a high end V6 Malibu and a low end Cadillac Alpha.

But I think Buick will survive. The Enclave proves that Buick can still sell expensive cars. Pontiac hasn't done well with an expensive cars in years. GM doesn't need 3 low cost brands (Chevrolet, Pontiac, Saturn).

Edited by ehaase
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The writing has been on the wall for Pontiac for sometime now. But just the thought of this division no longer exisiting fills me with sadness. My father was a Pontiac guy, they were beautiful cars. Always two door coupes of course and a convertible.

My dad was a big time Pontiac guy in his younger days too. His first car was a '70 Grand Prix SJ which was sadly totalled one night when he parked it on the street and ran into a pizza shop to pick up his food. He replaced it with a '70 Catalina convertible which he later gave to my mother for her first car while they were still dating.

Funny story about my dad's Catalina: it came through the Ford/Lincoln/Mercury dealership he worked at on trade for a brand new 1977 Lincoln Continental Town Coupe. He was immediately drawn to it because the car had very low mileage and was garage-kept its entire life; absolutely flawless..... except for the interior which was destroyed. As the story goes, the car belonged to the wife of a local business owner and was driven sparingly. The couple also owned some sort of big dog. So one day the lady takes the dog out for a ride and then runs into downtown to do some shopping, leaving the dog in the car. So some kids see the dog in the car and run up and start teasing it. The dog flips out and ultimately tore the seats and door panels of the car to shreds. The wife comes back and was so upset that she didn't even want to look at the car anymore. So my father tells the owner of the dealership he'll take the car as-is, shredded seats and all. The guy tells him he's crazy but sells it to him nonetheless for next to nothing. Little did he know that my father had a friend whose family owned a junkyard; he bought everything he needed for it for a hundred bucks, spent a weekend swapping it in, and he was rolling in style.

Anywho, back to the point: it's gonna be a sad day when we live in a world without Pontiac. It will make my need to own one all that more urgent. Anybody got a line on a '65 Bonneville convertible?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Damn, I hate what's happening to American industries, American culture, the American dream.

I'm Canadian, but we have vested interest in what happens to the US.

We build many of the cars and trucks you drive. We share a culture.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It will be a monumental error if Pontiac is killed.

And it won't save GM.

If GM pares down to just Cadillac and Chevrolet, they will never recover and it will only be a matter of time until the end.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is my view on what is going to happen.

If they get a financial baleout from the goverment, GM will eventually die.

If GM delcares bankruptcy, it will survive.

It will be a pared down GM, but it will survive.

In the end, I think it will be a Chevrolet/Cadillac GM. Two iconic nameplates.

Amazing events taking place, we are witnessing history. You will have many

stories to tell your grandchildren about what happened.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>>"Balthy: Anything within 5-years is considered "new" by you? I'd go as far as 7-8 years."<<

To be blunt, I consider anything newer than 1980 'new'.

.>"My dad was a big time Pontiac guy in his younger days"<<

Grandfather:

'55 Star Chief Catalina 2-dr hdtp

'57 Star Chief 4-dr hdtp

'63 Catalina 4-dr hdtp

'66 Bonneville 4-dr hdtp

'69 Bonneville 4-dr hdtp

'72 Gran Ville 4-dr hdtp

'76 Gran Ville 4-dr hdtp

Father:

'63 Catalina 4-dr hdtp (took over his father's)

'70 Catalina 4-dr sdn

'77 Catalina Safari wagon

Me:

'64 Grand Prix 2-dr hdtp

'64 Catalina 4-dr sdn

'64 Catalina Ventura 4-dr sdn

'65 Catalina 2-dr sdn

'65 Bonneville 4-dr hdtp

'65 Bonneville 2-dr hdtp

'66 Grand Prix 2-dr hdtp

Brother:

'84 Trans Am 2-dr coupe

'68 Firebird 2-dr hdtp

'71 GTO 2-dr hdtp

'63 Tempest 2-dr sdn

>>"Anybody got a line on a '65 Bonneville convertible?"<<

I have a frame & powertrain if you're looking for a project....

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Your content will need to be approved by a moderator

Guest
You are commenting as a guest. If you have an account, please sign in.
Reply to this topic...

×   You have pasted content with formatting.   Remove formatting

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0