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Please discuss the possibility of a Chevrolet Spark being added to Chevy's US lineup.

I think it's a horrible idea, and an ugly little POS car.

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When compared to the Aveo, I'm not sure why this is such a bad idea. It looks overly busy from certain angles, and there are certain details that I could live w/o, but I'm not really the target market for this car either. If this car makes financial/economical sense for GM to sell here then I think they should do it.

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Yup.

It's hideous, but that doesn't mean it won't sell.

I would never own such a thing, but it may have a market, and it would help with CAFE.

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Yeah, GM needs to let Honda and Toyota have the subcompact hatch market, that'll teach those other carmakers to produce profits and not have to get bailouts from the U.S. government.

I bet that if it were the Pontiac Spark, you'd be jizzing over it.

And how can you call something that hasn't entered production yet a POS?

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Please discuss the possibility of a Chevrolet Spark being added to Chevy's US lineup.

I think it's a horrible idea, and an ugly little POS car.

Not everyone will like the styling of this car but why is it a horrible idea that GM wants to bring it here? Toyota and Kia both have vehicles entering this city car segment soon and the smaller Smart car is already selling pretty well. Gas prices will soar again as soon as the economy rebounds completely and people start buying again. GM's lack of good compact and subcompact vehicles during the time when we had $4 gas prices is what got GM helped lead the company to the problems it had last year at this time. Shouldn't GM be prepared?

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I bet that if it were the Pontiac Spark, you'd be jizzing over it.

That would be a Pontiac G2... and if they made a coupe version, I'd buy one for parking purposes in NYC.

Instead, I have to consider the Smart, Mini, Fiesta coupe, Toyota IQ, etc.

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I don't like it - I'd much rather have a Fiesta, Fit, 208, 500, Polo, or MINI - but it's no worse than the current Cobalt, Aveo, etc., and those vehicles sell.

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Honestly, I wouldn't drive anything smaller than what I've got. The Spark is ugly and Americans, as a rule, are not comfortable in tiny penalty boxes. Studies have shown that people who traded their comfortable vehicles for tiny ones as a result of the $4 gasoline spike are remorseful. If we have another spike, and people feel they are forced into these pedal cars, the result will still be the same... a bunch of unhappy owners. It is a no-win for any manufacturer.

How would you like to be in charge of trying to market something like this to Americans? Something you KNOW they do not want? It's impossible.

And Satty, please move soon. I like you when you're a smartass, but not an a-hole.

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Yeah, GM needs to let Honda and Toyota have the subcompact hatch market, that'll teach those other carmakers to produce profits and not have to get bailouts from the U.S. government.

That sums it up.

I personally wouldn't buy a Spark, but it has its place.

I bet that if it were the Pontiac Spark, you'd be jizzing over it.

The personal rancor reflected in that remark I don't intend to dignify with comment.

And how can you call something that hasn't entered production yet a POS?

Aside from fit and finish, materials used, refinement, and so on, we do know what the design looks like. That's where initial judgment is coming from.

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Honestly, I wouldn't drive anything smaller than what I've got. The Spark is ugly and Americans, as a rule, are not comfortable in tiny penalty boxes. Studies have shown that people who traded their comfortable vehicles for tiny ones as a result of the $4 gasoline spike are remorseful. If we have another spike, and people feel they are forced into these pedal cars, the result will still be the same... a bunch of unhappy owners. It is a no-win for any manufacturer.

How would you like to be in charge of trying to market something like this to Americans? Something you KNOW they do not want? It's impossible.

And Satty, please move soon. I like you when you're a smartass, but not an a-hole.

With all due respect, you don't speak for every American. If every car built required 100% public support or catered to the most buyers, we wouldn't see great cars like the Camaro, CTS-V, CTS Wagon, or the Corvette. Instead, every car would look and drive like as plainly as a Toyota Camry. I'm not saying you're wrong believing that most people would prefer to buy cars that were large and comfortable but, the reality is that not everyone can afford a $15,000 compact car or want to spend a lot of money on fueling up their car. Smaller cars, as a rule, get much better the mileage than larger cars. There are quite a few people out there who would think this is the perfect car for them. It would be a mistake for GM to not offer a car in this segment.

Personally, I would never drive a car like this and nobody is saying that GM should only be building cars like this, but it does serve the growing city car segment and people will buy it if the need it... even if they don't want to.

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Well, first things first. They have to make the Aveo replacement into something desirable before they go shoving the Spark down our throats, and they already have a strike 1 with news it will be a five-door only.

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Well, first things first. They have to make the Aveo replacement into something desirable before they go shoving the Spark down our throats, and they already have a strike 1 with news it will be a five-door only.

I don't think they are 'shoving it down anyone's throats', and the Spark is below the Aveo, as the entry level model (i.e. Matiz replacement), and would be a new niche for Chevy in the US. I assume the development of the NG Aveo is on track also..(rumored to be called Viva in some markets?). I don't see why you are so negative on this--obviously, you aren't the target consumer..

Anyway, since Buick dealers don't have Pontiac for the G3 anymore, I wonder if Buick will get a lux version of the NG Aveo to fill that niche?

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I predict a big win for the first automaker to build something in this segment that isn't butt ugly. At least during the next run-up in gas prices.

All current offerings are awful eyesores.

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I understand the reasons for its existence, but I will not be caught dead in one.

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Ford has decided not to bring their Ka to the US, citing its small size. Volkswagen has decided to dilute their handsome new Polo for US customers by making it bigger (a mistake, imo, as I believe it is B-segment and fine as is). I am not the only person who thinks this way.

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Ford has decided not to bring their Ka to the US, citing its small size. Volkswagen has decided to dilute their handsome new Polo for US customers by making it bigger (a mistake, imo, as I believe it is B-segment and fine as is). I am not the only person who thinks this way.

Being 3dr only would limit the Ka's potential in the US..however, the Fiat 500 which it is based on is coming here. With a 5dr, the Spark has more sales potential than the 3dr only Ka.

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I predict a big win for the first automaker to build something in this segment that isn't butt ugly. At least during the next run-up in gas prices.

All current offerings are awful eyesores.

Fiat FTW!

Seriously, the K car helped saved Chrysler before, a smartly styled and built subcompact might save chryco's bacon now.

Not every small car is a penalty box...and gas prices will go through the roof in the next decade.

Expect cars like the Camaro and CTS to go away. I'm not saying this because I am happy about it, I am saying it because I think its reality. The free market will do for fuel savings what CAFE standards can't or won't.

Chris

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Ford has decided not to bring their Ka to the US, citing its small size. Volkswagen has decided to dilute their handsome new Polo for US customers by making it bigger (a mistake, imo, as I believe it is B-segment and fine as is). I am not the only person who thinks this way.

Ford is going to have a huge winner on its hands in about three years with this car IMHO.

Chris

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Well, first things first. They have to make the Aveo replacement into something desirable before they go shoving the Spark down our throats, and they already have a strike 1 with news it will be a five-door only.

Shoving down our throats?! Why is offering a new model in a growing segment equate to GM forcing us to buy something that we don't want? This is one car in a full lineup of new Chevrolet cars that vary in size. You'll have plenty of options. You DON'T have to buy it. . Some people like cars like this... I know.. it's so weird that other people have different opinions than you, isn't it? Why is it so horrible that GM's considering them important to growth of the brand? You really aren't making a lot of sense.

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2011 Aveo

Here's an article on the '11 Aveo. So potentially by '11-12, Chevy NA will have plenty of B- and C- seg FWD models for the mainstream to choose from--Spark, Aveo, Cruze, Volt.

And the FWD Malibu and Impala in the mid and larger size, and the Corvette, Camaro, and Caprice PPV/SS for RWD fans.

Sounds like a lot of variety.

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I'm with Satty. I'd personally never be caught dead in a Camaro, but I won't go raining on all of your parades about it.

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if GM can make the numbers work, it doesn't hurt to have 20k of them in the US a year, just to keep an entry in the segment. it makes no sense to build it here though.

as someone said, there will be an ongoing 'city car' niche that GM needs to remain represented in. to bad the spark is childish and ugly.

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I'd personally never be caught dead in a Camaro, but I won't go raining on all of your parades about it.

Why?

Just curious.

I can understand why you might not want to buy one, but I don't get "never be caught dead in a Camaro" bit. Don't you think it might be fun to cruise around in one for a day?

OTOH, I can see why many people might feel that way about a Spark or similar car.

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if GM can make the numbers work, it doesn't hurt to have 20k of them in the US a year, just to keep an entry in the segment. it makes no sense to build it here though.

as someone said, there will be an ongoing 'city car' niche that GM needs to remain represented in. to bad the spark is childish and ugly.

Just about sums it up.

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