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For the lazy:

First Place: 2007 Toyota Camry XLE V6

Vehicle Tested:

2007 Toyota Camry XLE V6 4dr Sedan (3.5L 6cyl 6A)

MSRP of Test Vehicle: $30,840

What Works:

Could easily be passed off as a Lexus, class-leading 3.5-liter V6, interior is equally impressive.

What Needs Work:

What once was considered a boring exterior becomes objectionable to some, that family-friendly price keeps creeping up, safety advocates are still winning the battle with those in the enthusiast camp.

Bottom Line:

If you expected the new Camry to be only marginally better than the one it replaces, you'll be happily disappointed by its significant improvements.

Second Place: 2006 Honda Accord EX V6

Vehicle Tested:

2006 Honda Accord EX V-6 4dr Sedan w/Navigation (3.0L 6cyl 5A)

MSRP of Test Vehicle: $29,850

What Works:

Honda knows how to tune an engine, conservative reputation hides athletic abilities, superb build quality.

What Needs Work:

The brakes and tires don't seem to be on speaking terms, what once looked pretty daring (for Honda) is starting to look ordinary, separate locations for HVAC display and adjustment.

Bottom Line:

The value of conservatism is in its inherent ability to avoid controversy and risk-taking. But then again, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Third Place: 2006 Hyundai Sonata V6

Vehicle Tested:

2006 Hyundai Sonata LX 4dr Sedan (3.3L 6cyl 5A)

MSRP of Test Vehicle: $24,895

What Works:

Incredible value, plush interior, mainstream (not ugly) styling.

What Needs Work:

Vague steering, easily confused transmission, some interior details were overlooked.

Bottom Line:

While the Sonata represents a huge step forward for the carmaker, Hyundai apparently benchmarked a car that's since been replaced.

Fourth Place: 2006 Ford Fusion SEL V6

Vehicle Tested:

2006 Ford Fusion V6 SEL 4dr Sedan (3.0L 6cyl 6A)

MSRP of Test Vehicle: $25,650

What Works:

Contemporary exterior design, European-car ride and handling.

What Needs Work:

Drab interior, thrashy engine, lack of available content.

Bottom Line:

What the Fusion lacks in standard (or even optional) equipment, it tries to make up for with a low-ball base-MSRP, sporty driving dynamics and unique style.

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I'd probably take the Accord over the Camry because you can get a slick 6-speed, it looks less frumpy, and the interior build quality is much better from what I've observed.

It will be interesting to see if the 2008 Malibu is as good as the press made it out to be during GM's "sneak preview" last year. It's sure to look better than the Camry, so hopefully it has a competitive powertrain and a kickass interior.

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the camry's MSRP was 5300 more than the Fusion's and 6 grand more than the Sonata. in the real world that camry will sell for 7-8 thou more than either of those two. so i would hope its a better car. the cadillac CTS and Lincoln LS v8 base versions become available at this price.

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Let's hope the 2007 Aura has something to say about this comparison.

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LOL

What a surprise... More proof that the domestics will NEVER be good enough for the press.

"Drab interior" ?!?!?!? The Fusion is an EXCELLENT car, yet, of course, finishes last becuse of the badge in it's grille.

Get used to this folks... The domestics finish last because that's where the press has predetermined them to finish.

It even says in the article that "If you want more pizazz (In the interior) word accents are available" yet they still kill it for the (NICE) interior?

Was Ford attempting to mimic BMW's dour, rubberized black dash and buttons? If so, why?

Umm... MAYBE because everyone in the press WORSHIPS that company?!?!?

Another major complaint was "the relative height of the rear window" GIVE ME A BREAK!

All who drove the Fusion remarked that it felt the most "European" of the four. With its taut chassis, confident steering and predictable handling, the Fusion exhibited a sophisticated-sporty nature that even the best handler of the group, the Honda Accord, lacked.

Okay, FIRST, if the Fusion is the "most european" then shouldn't IT have been the best handler? SECOND: in any OTHER comparison this would've waranted the Fusion the winner, but I guess since it's a "ferd" then nobody wants that... Right????

but like a BMW, the trade-off is that this attribute takes it further away from what some might call a luxurious ride.

Funny.... I've never seen THAT in any BMW review. Yet another POSITIVE in a domestic that the media turns around to be a negative through subjective bullsh*t.

While that's a good start, when we started scoring standard/optional features,

You know... I can remember when GM cars were LOADED with electronic 'GEEK' features and no one ever scored them the BETTER for it. Now, all of the sudden, since Japan Inc. signed some deals with their electronics industry that killed ours long ago, all of the sudden we "SCORE" these things.

Still, the Fusion's total as-tested price was an admirable $25,650, the second lowest in the group. That doesn't, however, necessarily translate to a good value if only half the low-cost/high-content equation is exploited.

Yet another POSITIVE exploited as a NEGATIVE.... A good price, but because it doesn't feature all the CRAP that some people might not want anyway, it's a negative. The FJ Cruiser doesn't have everything the H3 offers, yet "It's okay because it's SUPPOSED to be that way." and the FJ Cruiser is subsequently scored higher.

All through the article they have positives about the car... That are subjectively weighted of course to ensure a last place finish. Then they NAIL the coffin shut with this in the conclusion

The 2006 Ford Fusion seems to be trying to be all things to all people, but doesn't really succeed in any one area.

That's a bit harsh IMO and a bit of BULLSH*T It's trying to be "all things to all people" because that's 1) the only way they're going to get the desperately needed sales and 2) to TRY and get a decent f*ckin' unbiased review for once.

Then we get this:

The daring exterior styling was deemed too weird or appliancelike by some,

AFTER the Toyota Camry was deemed the winner.... WHICH one is "weirder"?????

the no-nonsense interior just plain boring,

Of course, if it were in a Honda it would be deemed "Conservative and nicely done with quality to boot"

and the performance was admirable, but not earth-shattering.

Okay, so BESTING the competitors isn't enough now... It has to be "EARTH SHATTERING" before the domestic is fairly evaluated?

Sure, there's that low price, but there's also a lack of content.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Its warranty is good, and it's always nice to know there's roadside assistance for the three-year/36,000-mile period, but the Hyundai Sonata's got the Fusion beat there

I'm willing to bet that this wouldn't have even been an issue or complaint had they not known that they could make the Fusion look bad. Oh, and if this is so important, WHY isn't it factored into the Accord and Camry reviews???? Oh wait, that's right (FOG smacks himself on the head) They're THE ALMIGHTY NEVER BREAK DOWN DUO!!!! But the Ford... Well, I guess you're taking your chances with it, right????? BULLSH*T!!!!!

****The rank and file has been established folks... GET USED TO IT! The press will now continue to *CLAIM* that even the quality glitch ridden koreans are BETTER than Detroit. And they (the press) won't stop until GM and Ford are bankrupt; IF then****

EDIT: You know, now that I think of it... HASN'T that been the MEDIA hallmark of a PERFECT family sedan up until now???? Something that is good in ALL areas?!?!?!? Edmunds even ADMITS that the Fusion is good in all areas, yet apparently, the BAR HAS BEEN MOVED AGAIN... It's kinda hard for the domestics to hit the target when the media is constantly MOVING it right before the silver bullet passes through it.

:bs:

P.S. Why not test the MKZ in this comparo since the Camry is so pricey?

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Let's hope the 2007 Aura has something to say about this comparison.

It'll have something to say about 4th place (Because it'll bump the Fusion to 5th)

They'll cite something to the tune of "The Epsilon chasis just feels dated" and "The V6 isn't as smooth" and "THe interior, while quality, is drab" and "We just don't think SATURN when we see this car and that could turn off buyers"

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Edmunds is so full of $h!.

Even the Leinert's called the Fusion a great car. This really Is bull$h! of the highest order. Ive seen the inside of a 2k4 Honda Accord V6 and its a damn nice car, but I would compare the Fusion favorably to it. Both are very nice good looking interiors and Fusion seems to be in the msame handling/performance class. The Toyota doesnt even register on the same level. Failure.

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you can get an LE V6 Camry at 26,500 w/moonroof, alloy wheels, and leather.

results would have been exactly the same.

though Ford does offer a $1500 rebate on the Fusion

Edited by toyoguy

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It will be competitive for the first few months, til the competition comes out with something newer.

The problem with GM's models, they design their products to compete with the competition's current line-up

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Let's hope the 2007 Aura has something to say about this comparison.

LOL

What a surprise... More proof that the domestics will NEVER be good enough for the press.

"Drab interior" ?!?!?!? The Fusion is an EXCELLENT car, yet, of course, finishes last becuse of the badge in it's grille.

Get used to this folks... The domestics finish last because that's where the press has predetermined them to finish.

It even says in the article that "If you want more pizazz (In the interior) word accents are available" yet they still kill it for the (NICE) interior?

Umm... MAYBE because everyone in the press WORSHIPS that company?!?!?

Another major complaint was "the relative height of the rear window" GIVE ME A BREAK!

Okay, FIRST, if the Fusion is the "most european" then shouldn't IT have been the best handler? SECOND: in any OTHER comparison this would've waranted the Fusion the winner, but I guess since it's a "ferd" then nobody wants that... Right????

Funny.... I've never seen THAT in any BMW review. Yet another POSITIVE in a domestic that the media turns around to be a negative through subjective bullsh*t.

You know... I can remember when GM cars were LOADED with electronic 'GEEK' features and no one ever scored them the BETTER for it. Now, all of the sudden, since Japan Inc. signed some deals with their electronics industry that killed ours long ago, all of the sudden we "SCORE" these things.

Yet another POSITIVE exploited as a NEGATIVE.... A good price, but because it doesn't feature all the CRAP that some people might not want anyway, it's a negative. The FJ Cruiser doesn't have everything the H3 offers, yet "It's okay because it's SUPPOSED to be that way." and the FJ Cruiser is subsequently scored higher.

All through the article they have positives about the car... That are subjectively weighted of course to ensure a last place finish. Then they NAIL the coffin shut with this in the conclusion

That's a bit harsh IMO and a bit of BULLSH*T It's trying to be "all things to all people" because that's 1) the only way they're going to get the desperately needed sales and 2) to TRY and get a decent f*ckin' unbiased review for once.

Then we get this:

AFTER the Toyota Camry was deemed the winner.... WHICH one is "weirder"?????

Of course, if it were in a Honda it would be deemed "Conservative and nicely done with quality to boot"

Okay, so BESTING the competitors isn't enough now... It has to be "EARTH SHATTERING" before the domestic is fairly evaluated?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I'm willing to bet that this wouldn't have even been an issue or complaint had they not known that they could make the Fusion look bad. Oh, and if this is so important, WHY isn't it factored into the Accord and Camry reviews???? Oh wait, that's right (FOG smacks himself on the head) They're THE ALMIGHTY NEVER BREAK DOWN DUO!!!! But the Ford... Well, I guess you're taking your chances with it, right????? BULLSH*T!!!!!

****The rank and file has been established folks... GET USED TO IT! The press will now continue to *CLAIM* that even the quality glitch ridden koreans are BETTER than Detroit. And they (the press) won't stop until GM and Ford are bankrupt; IF then****

EDIT: You know, now that I think of it... HASN'T that been the MEDIA hallmark of a PERFECT family sedan up until now???? Something that is good in ALL areas?!?!?!? Edmunds even ADMITS that the Fusion is good in all areas, yet apparently, the BAR HAS BEEN MOVED AGAIN... It's kinda hard for the domestics to hit the target when the media is constantly MOVING it right before the silver bullet passes through it.

:bs:

P.S. Why not test the MKZ in this comparo since the Camry is so pricey?

It'll have something to say about 4th place (Because it'll bump the Fusion to 5th)

They'll cite something to the tune of "The Epsilon chasis just feels dated" and "The V6 isn't as smooth" and "THe interior, while quality, is drab" and "We just don't think SATURN when we see this car and that could turn off buyers"

You know what, I was looking at your myspace, and there is a link to a survey to tell you what political leader you are familiar to. I'm assuming you resemble Hitler. LOL You sure do sound like it. Except bashing the Jews and Other non-Germans, you bash the media... Behold, the next dictator of America, FOG!

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$30,000??!?!?!?!   For a freakin FAMILY SEDAN?  I should HOPE its the best of the bunch.

It costs less than the Impala SS, or Grand Prix GTP.

offers comparable acceleration, w/o pathetic fuel economy

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...26/pageId=64992

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...52/pageId=66491

XLE V6 Camry is an unattractive entry-level luxury sedan w/o the pricetag. You could spend more on a 300C, Lucerne, Maxima, TL, S60, Saab 95, Milian and have nothing to show for it.

Though the TL and Maxima are due in for a redisign shortly.

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You know what, I was looking at your myspace, and there is a link to a survey to tell you what political leader you are familiar to.  I'm assuming you resemble Hitler. LOL  You sure do sound like it.  Except bashing the Jews and Other non-Germans, you bash the media... Behold, the next dictator of America, FOG!

:admin:

You know, I hope this thread doesn't turn into another horrid mess someone is going to be forced to lock.

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It will be competitive for the first few months, til the competition comes out with something newer.

The problem with GM's models, they design their products to compete with the competition's current line-up

This is so true...

You know what, I was looking at your myspace, and there is a link to a survey to tell you what political leader you are familiar to. I'm assuming you resemble Hitler. LOL You sure do sound like it. Except bashing the Jews and Other non-Germans, you bash the media... Behold, the next dictator of America, FOG!

Hey THAT'S RIGHT!!!!

And the Canadians are the first on my list!!! Just like when Hitler invaded Poland buddy.

And thanks for the views, that survey is pretty funny.

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It costs less than the Impala SS, or Grand Prix GTP.

offers comparable acceleration, w/o pathetic fuel economy

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...26/pageId=64992

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...52/pageId=66491

But does it offer BETTER acceleration?!?!?!? Does it offer BETTER muscle car feeling????

And there you go... Apparently, GM cars have to be BETTER than Toyotas to not be "pathetic and crappy"

And while I was at it, I offered a common SUBJECTIVE qualifier that has to be "there" for a win.

XLE V6 Camry is an unattractive entry-level luxury sedan w/o the pricetag.  You could spend more on a 300C, Lucerne, Maxima, TL, S60, Saab 95, Milian and have nothing to show for it.

Except character, class and performance.

Though the TL and Maxima are due in for a redisign shortly.

Gotta protect those Japan Inc. team mates... Of course, I forgot, those are the only companies worthy of 'wool over their eyes' buyers

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You know, I hope this thread doesn't turn into another horrid mess someone is going to be forced to lock.

I'm not worried about it... I've got a new fan!!! (Obviously since he took the time to view my page) and personal attacks don't bother me so much (Remember Baddabing?---I accept that some here don't like me, in fact I enjoy it)

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It costs less than the Impala SS, or Grand Prix GTP.

offers comparable acceleration, w/o pathetic fuel economy

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...26/pageId=64992

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...52/pageId=66491

Edmunds needs to learn how to drive. C&D nailed a 5.7 0-60 for the GXP....almost a full second fast than the Camry.

Pssh..knowing Edmunds they probably aren't even real numbers...just estimates.

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But does it offer BETTER acceleration?!?!?!? Does it offer BETTER muscle car feeling????

Nope, doesn't offer the noise vibration or fuel economy of one either.

Except character, class and performance.

It doesn't carry the sticker price either.

Gotta protect those Japan Inc. team mates... Of course, I forgot, those are the only companies worthy of 'wool over their eyes' buyers

I'm not protecting anything a new Altima is due at NYIAS and a Maxima is bound to follow.

Honda Accord/TL is also due in for an overhaul.

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Edmunds needs to learn how to drive.  C&D nailed a 5.7 0-60 for the GXP....almost a full second fast than the Camry.

Pssh..knowing Edmunds they probably aren't even real numbers...just estimates.

except the GXP heralds from an era where big car dimmensions with small car space was okay. also, heralds from an era where big black flat pieces of plastic was okay. also, uncomfortable seating, gee golly plastics, overwrought design. also, has *too* much character for some, and not the right character for others. also, GXP is fun to drive, has a V8, and is a compelling sporty car, but these cars just don't compete for the same buyer. the camry offers performance, class, quality, reliability, in a sedate package for the average, discerning quality-conscious buyers---a recipe for success some would say

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I'm not protecting anything a new Altima is due at NYIAS and a Maxima is bound to follow.

Honda Accord/TL is also due in for an overhaul.

which will make the market that much broader and competitive. Hopefully, the aura has what it takes to keep up.

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