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I was having just this same conversation with my dad maybe a month ago.

It's interesting how priorities and hobbies change with generations... It is plain to see for me as I observe my peers. Many people around my age (21-23) don't drive period, the ones that do seem to prefer appliances like the Civic or Corolla (if they have money it's the ubiquitous base model Silver 3-Series, White C-Class or Black A4) to anything interesting, be it American, German, Korean or Japanese . Then again lots of folks my age seem to me to lack the situational awareness that would make them safe drivers (perhaps this is also related in some way to phones, texting, technology replacing common sense- I could go on and on forever on this one).

I would agree that it's not connecting any more. I used to think think that I one of the things that made me an "old soul" was my taste in big american cars, but it has been becoming more and more apparent to me lately that it's maybe because I am into cars period. From where I sit my generation is, though in the presence of exceptions, becoming a subset of drones who are cripplingly beholden to societal 'norms', social trends, and blending in at all costs, lest, god forbid, someone realize you are a living breathing individual.

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Of the roughly 15 good friends I have in my age group in Toronto, one has a car. Three have licenses. Transit is seen as the future and many of them don't understand why I drive.

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In metropolitan areas I can understand why cars are becoming less relevant. But where I grew up and still live, where there is practically zero public transportation, cars are still very important to young people. My house and my friends' houses aren't in walking distance from ANYWHERE interesting. Even so, I didn't like learning to drive and put off getting my license until after I graduated high school. I was perfectly content riding in my parents' or friends' cars.

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Around here in northwestern Ontario people prefer trucks, People i know actually hate cars, and drive these

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other than that close to the same situation as Mr. $wordfish i could see not having a vehicle in a city, but in small towns there is no public transit

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I can't imagine living w/o a car, even in the city. I've lived downtown before in a city of 1/2 million people (Denver), but still had 2-3 cars. And in the suburbs or small towns or rural areas, public transit options are little to none. I'd hate to have to wait on a bus (though I did use the light rail often to get from the burbs to downtown and vice versa in Denver).

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Reality, circa 2012. People are so dumbed down that in another decade or so, will there be anyone under 30 in the US that can even operate a manual transmission?

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Reality, circa 2012. People are so dumbed down that in another decade or so, will there be anyone under 30 in the US that can even operate a manual transmission?

It's not dumbed down. I don't know if anyone here has noticed lately. but the economy isn't in great shape. Especially if you don't need a car, it makes perfect sense not to take on the financial responsibility of owning one. From payments, to insurance, to maintenance. It costs a lot of money to have a car, and if you live in an era where public transit is a viable option, there's not a real need for it.

Plus, it works well for those of us to do enjoy our cars. Remember that statistics show that 16-18 year olds have the highest accident rate of any rage group. Having less of them on the road is just fine by me.

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Guys, in a century, cars are going to be about as common as horse-drawn carriages are now. And they'll have the same romanticism associated with them. There will always be people who like to drive, but it's incredibly naîve to believe that the motor car is the pinnacle of personal transportation.

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Guys, in a century, cars are going to be about as common as horse-drawn carriages are now. And they'll have the same romanticism associated with them. There will always be people who like to drive, but it's incredibly naîve to believe that the motor car is the pinnacle of personal transportation.

In the future, maybe it will be like the Matrix...resource units just plug in and provide energy to the computers... :)

As far as driving less, I wouldn't mind at some point living in a nice gentrified neighborhood in a large city where I only need my cars on weekends and can enjoy driving and live and work in walking distance of lots of restaurants and bars, etc. When I lived downtown I enjoyed it, but I never worked downtown--found myself commuting to the burbs..that got old. I want more square footage in a house, though, so my next place will probably be in the burbs...

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Guys, in a century, cars are going to be about as common as horse-drawn carriages are now. And they'll have the same romanticism associated with them. There will always be people who like to drive, but it's incredibly naîve to believe that the motor car is the pinnacle of personal transportation.

Unless I can beam myself between point A and point B (and come out completely intact when I arrive there) with a magic wrist-watch, the automobile is about as good as it's going to get. And I'm just fine with that.

For the record, a self-driving car, despite the fact it is Satan incarnate, is still a car. It still has four wheels, something that powers them, and is road-going. A bus, by technicality, is also an automobile as well.

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Sorry if you misunderstood me, I was referring to manually-operated cars like we've had for six score years. Self-driving cars will probably become very common in the next century, much as everyone here will hate to admit it. I'm having a hard time caring anymore.

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Well from this point on, when I refer to "cars," I mean cars as we know them today.

It just baffles me that some people here can't accept that other people have greater priorities in their lives than their mode of transportation. Cars are not a quintessential part of human existence. Americans lived without them for over a century. Humanity has lived without them for millennia. Billions of people STILL live without them, and couldn't care less about what they're missing. When the complete history of humanity is written up, the internal combustion engine powered automobile will be nothing more than a footnote, a fad that lasted 100-odd years before people found some other gadget to obsess over. THINGS CHANGE, it's a fact of the universe. Nothing lasts forever. Enjoy what you have while you still have it, don't bitch about nobody else giving a f@#k someday.

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Well I see I've managed to offend a few of the resident clowns around here by all of the negative points on my posts. Sorry my opinion differs from yours. Sorry for being myself. Just to make ya'll happy, I've taken down most of my posts in this thread.

Also, since I'm so inclined to please everyone tonight, you can just go ahead and down rank this post into oblivion too since I know you won't agree with it and can't be bothered to respond to it as an intelligent adult. And hey! Before I forget, while you're at it you can just go find my other 11,923 posts and rank all of those down too.

I wonder why I even bother to stick around this place sometimes.

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Wasn't me who downvoted your posts. And my posts were aimed at everyone, not you personally. I don't have a problem with anyone who's a fervent petrolhead, I mean who else is this website for? What really annoys me though is when some fervent petrolheads get all indignant towards people who don't really give a damn about cars, acting like that makes them some sort of soulless brainless communist sheeple or whatever other ridiculous epithet they care to apply to them. Just as it annoys me when non-car lovers get indignant towards car lovers and think they're sociopaths who are single-handedly ruining the environment.

It's not "sad" that some people don't care about cars. It's perfectly normal to not care about cars. People will find other things to care about as times change. That doesn't make them wrong, nor does it make you wrong for not caring about the same things they do. Why is this so hard for some people to accept?

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Wasn't me who downvoted your posts. And I don't have a problem with anyone who's a fervent petrolhead, I mean who else is this place for? What really annoys me though is when some fervent petrolheads get all indignant towards people who don't really give a damn about cars, acting like that makes them some sort of soulless brainless communist sheeple or whatever other ridiculous epithet they care to apply to them. Just as it annoys me when non-car lovers get indignant towards car lovers and think they're sociopaths who are single-handedly ruining the environment.

I know it wasn't you.

I don't remember if I was belligerent in any way towards your posts and I personally don't think that I was, but if I was then I didn't mean to be.

Threads like these, though ... what can I say? They scare the piss out of me. Like I said in one of my earlier posts (which I have taken down), I've loved cars since I was just old enough to say a coherent sentence. I always looked forward to getting my license growing up. I always aspired to own a car that was fun to drive when I was a kid. Sad to say, but there isn't much in my life that I'm truly passionate about. A future without cars around to drive, love, hate, praise, and bash is a future that I just do not want to be a part of, sorry.

There's also no changing the fact that I'm proud to be one of the few out there in my generation who still feels that way. I make no apologies for who I am. You love or like me, or you don't and you stay the hell away from me and out of my way.

So do I get confused about someone who could care less about the concept of driving a car? Well, yeah. There's no avoiding the fact you'll have to get behind the wheel of a car at least once in your life. Acting apathetic about driving and treating it like a chore is only going to make you drive poorly, I think. Find some reason, some way to make it fun regardless of what you're driving. You only live once. Life is too short to not to get the most out of every last second you get.

That doesn't mean I want to seek someone who could care less out and put their head on a pike. I guess I might be a little daft but I'm not quite that daft.

/endresponseandfirstrant

I'll be fair and say if there's anything at all in that article I agree with it's that the price of insurance, gas, and a decent car does make it difficult for someone my age to get behind the wheel. I don't think any of that should be an excuse, though. If you're like me and you live in a rural town a car is essential. It's how you get to class, it's how you get to work. If you don't have something to drive, you're dead weight. No one's going to chauffeur your ass around, especially when you can't chip in for gas.

Sure, it may be convenient to live in an urban area, but I personally would prefer not to. I value my own personal space, not to mention it's costly to pay for a decent apartment with a minimum wage job in a large city. You can't just wake up one day and suddenly make enough money to pay for any sort of car and any sort of apartment when you're trying to get on your feet. You choose one and go from there. It's almost impossible to have it both ways.

In another post I had up earlier, I said that any financial problems I'm dealing with was due to my own ineptness with money and my lack of effective foresight and planning, not because I have ownership of a car. I stand by that statement. I'll admit I'm wrong if someone wants to show me how with some concrete evidence and not the click of a dumbass button.

I know I should post this thought elsewhere, but I should let it be known I have no issue with the idea of favoriting posts. This current negative/positive rep system, on the other hand, makes this place a little too much like Reddit at times for my liking.

If you read something you don't like, you have other options rather than clicking that stupid, childish, yellow-assed little button. You can:

  • Do the first adult thing by engaging someone in an intelligent debate. It's okay if it gets heated as long as you aren't going to escalate things into an outright flame war.
  • Choose to put the author of the post on your ignored user's list. Sure, you might look like an idiot with your fingers in your ears all the time, but as long as you're happy then who's to judge?
  • Do the other adult thing and simply quit reading the post when you feel a little upset but not upset enough to do anything affirmative about it. It can't be that hard to quit reading something. I always manage to make myself quit reading stuff that I vehemently disagree with when I'm lurking TTAC.

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It's not dumbed down. I don't know if anyone here has noticed lately. but the economy isn't in great shape. Especially if you don't need a car, it makes perfect sense not to take on the financial responsibility of owning one. From payments, to insurance, to maintenance. It costs a lot of money to have a car, and if you live in an era where public transit is a viable option, there's not a real need for it.

And if you live in the 95% of the US where public transportation is awful, I guess you just walk or stay home and "go to" college online. Bunch of socialites that will breed.

We've made cars expensive by insisting that we have insurance, fully optioned premium vehicles, and heavy, yet tiny cars with too much technology... all these cars are a lot more expensive to fix and fuel, and then we removed a whole bunch of perfectly fine affordable vehicles with cash for clunkers. We have allowed ourselves to be priced out by our greed, politicians and the auto, energy and insurance conglomerates.

Plus, it works well for those of us to do enjoy our cars. Remember that statistics show that 16-18 year olds have the highest accident rate of any rage group. Having less of them on the road is just fine by me.

Removing that age group would result in 19-21 year olds having the highest accident rate. Remove them and 22-25 would be highest. Remove them and 25-30 would be highest. Remove them and 31-39 would be highest. Its not the age, its the years of driving experience... even though mostly everyone out there seems awful, they would be TEN TIMES WORSE if they were all rank beginners.

You want less people on the road? Make everybody get retested for a driver's license exam that 98% fail.

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So the kids are not into cars as cars? OK then, such is life. Most of us remember life pre-Twitter, pre-Facebook and pre-cellphones: they do not. A 21 Y.O. would see a car as little more than an appliance for getting from point A to point B. I knew a few when I went back to college, and they are far more interested in other things. I doubt kids HATE cars, as much as they are indifferent to them. In a compact city, cars are expensive and possibly unnecessary. In Florida, they are mandatory, unless you want to be dependent on local buses..... bad idea.

As for cars getting to be too expensive, that is true. Compare a fully equipped 1980 Regal at $9000 brand new to a fully optioned 2012 Lacrosse at $38,000 brand new. Despite cash for clunkers, I still see plenty of used cars around here for sale for the better part of two years after the program ended.

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Just asked my son (17), he mulled it over & said 'phone'.

'I can always get a ride'... :(

that's it right there. 'always get a ride'.

at some point, the job you will need to take will not have transit, and all your other relatives and friends will be busy tending to their own responsibilities and will be worlds away.

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