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Sold Out: Saturn Sky, Pontiac Solstice and Chevrolet Corvette Are All Spoken For This Year

Date posted: 04-20-2006

NEW YORK — General Motors may have posted its sixth straight quarterly loss on Wednesday, but many of its low-volume sports cars, including the yet-to-be-launched 2007 Saturn Sky, are already sold out for this year, according to GM Vice-Chairman Bob Lutz.

In a speech in New York, the GM executive said in reference to the Sky, "All available production for 2006 is accounted for."

The Sky shares its platform with GM's other popular roadster, the Pontiac Solstice. Lutz said the Solstice has the best turn rate of any vehicle in its segment and that the car is sold out for the 2006 model year. Pontiac launched the Solstice last year and by the fall had about 13,000 orders for only 7,000 units. The roadsters are often selling for more than their starting sticker price of $20,490.

Lutz said the Chevrolet Corvette is also sold out for the 2006 model year.

What this means to you: Expect to pay top dollar for the Sky, the Solstice… and the Vette — if you can get your hands on one.

Link: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=110101

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If this isn't a business case for the development of a more flexible Kappa II (coupes and sedans in addition to roadsters), I don't know what is.

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great, but they need to sell more high volume products. Hoping the Sky buzz translates into more Aura and Outlook sales.

Also, more RETAIL sales of Impala, Cobalt, Malibu, G6, etc, etc,etc...

Yeah,yeah heard it before. These cars are hits plain and simple, let's just celebrate that for a while shall we?

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Bottom line a lot of G6 and Aura's will be sold due to increase in showroom traffic because of the Kappa's.

Many in past years could not buy a Vette but they bought Chevelles, Impalas and other cars because of the Vette.

It is an old trick and it works in the short term. Even the Fiero drew a lot of folks in to buy other Pontiac's in 84-85 before other problems came to be. If it was not for the Fiero helping sell Grand Ams, It could have been Pontiac not Olds taking the bullit.

Lets face it the Sky can and will make Saturn cool to own and get folks to look at the cars they might have ignored.

Pontiac still needs some new product other than the G6 to make much inroads.

Edited by hyperv6

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In theory, that's how it should work. But that's not always the case. (I don't feel like supporting my argument, so just go with it). I think once people start seeing the Aura and Outlook on the roads they'll first wonder who the hell made them, then probably check them out because of their exterior styling alone. Hopefully. Hey, I like them.

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I may be in the minority, but I think it's poor GM planning, not that these products are hits....

I mean, how many Kappas can be built this year? I've heard 40k, including Opels...they should be selling out!

I do, however, buy into the halo car theory. Hopefully, that is something that with materialize into greater sales for Pontiac and Saturn, but its hard to quantify.

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Damn, I can't get my SKY.

At any rate, these are selling out because they are great products that people want to own and are priced well. They are also selling out because the capacity is so low. Still, the bigger reason is that they are great cars.

It may bring it more sales for other models but I am somewhat skeptical. The Corvette, SKY and Solstice have a small but solid block of buyers/fans. Someone going to look at a Corvette is not going to say, "Oh, I can't make that monthly payment. Let me look at an Impala SS." The same thing with the Kappas, people are not going to look at/buy a small RWD coupe just to suddenly decide to get a FWD midsize sedan or crossover.

Bimmer has it, however. The success of Kappa should translate into a higher volume, more advanced and flexible Kappa II architecture.

Overall, great news but I'd rather have the rest or most of the rest of GM's 100+ cars selling well rather than having three sell out.

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If this isn't a business case for the development of a more flexible Kappa II (coupes and sedans in addition to roadsters), I don't know what is.

For sure.

:chevy::gm_logo:

:Toyota:

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Wait.. haven't they already started working on a more flexible Kappa platform? I think Lutz was counting on the Kappa platform to be a high volume platform all along. He's a smart man. Imagine the potential with a small RWD platform with AWD capabilities. You can kiss Pontiac's FWD days goodbye.

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I hope we've heard the "Kappa was a mistake"  garbage for the last time.

This is great stuff. :gm_logo:

If this isn't a business case for the development of a more flexible Kappa II (coupes and sedans in addition to roadsters), I don't know what is.

They are selling out because they are highly desireable cars - period.

Ummm...when GM artificially limits their production, then they better be selling out. I won't be celebrating until the plant is at full capacity and they are STILL sold out...

GM is just making a limited run so that the sales are concentrated over a multiyear run instead of all being with the buzz and in the first year and a half with incentives o the hoods the remaining years.

As far as Kappa being a mistake? The way it was rushed through it sure was! The platform is one of the most inflexible, which is why we have a lot of 2-seater coupes.........and nothing else. Engineering costs would be far too great.

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Ummm...when GM artificially limits their production, then they better be selling out.  I won't be celebrating until the plant is at full capacity and they are STILL sold out...

GM is just making a limited run so that the sales are concentrated over a multiyear run instead of all being with the buzz and in the first year and a half with incentives o the hoods the remaining years.

As far as Kappa being a mistake?  The way it was rushed through it sure was!  The platform is one of the most inflexible, which is why we have a lot of 2-seater coupes.........and nothing else.  Engineering costs would be far too great.

Allocating/limiting production definitely worked for MINI. Four years since debut, sales are increasing, and people are still paying MSRP and waiting for deliveries. With the GTI, on the other hand, dealers are already knocking $1000 off from sticker.

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Ummm...when GM artificially limits their production, then they better be selling out.  I won't be celebrating until the plant is at full capacity and they are STILL sold out...

GM is just making a limited run so that the sales are concentrated over a multiyear run instead of all being with the buzz and in the first year and a half with incentives o the hoods the remaining years.

As far as Kappa being a mistake?  The way it was rushed through it sure was!  The platform is one of the most inflexible, which is why we have a lot of 2-seater coupes.........and nothing else.  Engineering costs would be far too great.

Croc, if they had followed your advice, we still would be waiting for the Solstice and Sky. And the naysayers would be damning GM for taking so long.

What we do have is hot sellers and a reason to expand the idea to a more ambitous program with KappaII. I'd say they made the right decision, at the right time. :duh:

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So? If one more year would have meant a more flexible platform with more derivatives, more trunk space, etc, then I think it would be worth it. People want the car based on the styling, not because in 2006 they decided it was the year of the roadster.

A better overall package that wasn't so damned expensive and limiting for GM would also mean derivatives to keep the buzz going, a more consumer-friendly package that could be in greater demand and sell out still while producing a higher number of units...and more profitability.

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So?  If one more year would have meant a more flexible platform with more derivatives, more trunk space, etc, then I think it would be worth it.  People want the car based on the styling, not because in 2006 they decided it was the year of the roadster.

So Saturn and Pontiac would not be making headlines today.

So GM would be constantly berated for not getting the cars to market in a timely fashion.

So, it would be too late to matter.

Producing these cars now is an investment in the future of two brands.

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So Saturn and Pontiac would not be making headlines today.

So GM would be constantly berated for not getting the cars to market in a timely fashion.

So, it would be too late to matter.

Producing these cars now is an investment in the future of two brands.

Pontiac and Saturn wouldn't be entering a segment "too late" since they are practically creating the segment. What else competes? Miata? That's about it.

Producing them now is an investment...yes...but a bad investment. We have a white elephant platform that is decent at producing one type of vehicle. That's it. Hardly an investment for the future.

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Pontiac and Saturn wouldn't be entering a segment "too late" since they are practically creating the segment.  What else competes?  Miata?  That's about it.

You miss the point. Too late to give Saturn and Pontiac much needed public buzz.

Producing them now is an investment...yes...but a bad investment.  We have a white elephant platform that is decent at producing one type of vehicle.  That's it.  Hardly an investment for the future.

Wrong again. What we have is proof that the premise works achieved by using parts bin pieces and an otherwise shuttered facility. That is paying workers to actually build cars instead of sitting in the job bank. And they are building cars that people actually want to buy- good experience. Finally the obvious success of the kappa cars gives Lutz the firepower he needs to finance a more flexible small RWD architecture. Can you imagine the roadblocks to that idea if Kappa wasn't built?

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Somehow I'm feeling that Croc's attitude on the fun, affordable, sold out Kappa platform has something to do with Josh.

These cars are good for GM, even at these low volumes. The magic of desirability is precious.

I say this is encouraging for those of us who wish for a smaller-than-Zeta RWD platform from GMNA for Chevy and Pontiac... that 260 hp turbo engine would sing such a sweet song in a Tempest, for example.

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Somehow I'm feeling that Croc's attitude on the fun, affordable, sold out Kappa platform has something to do with Josh.

These cars are good for GM, even at these low volumes.  The magic of desirability is precious.

I say this is encouraging for those of us who wish for a smaller-than-Zeta RWD platform from GMNA for Chevy and Pontiac... that 260 hp turbo engine would sing such a sweet song in a Tempest, for example.

You are a man of vision.

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Somehow I'm feeling that Croc's attitude on the fun, affordable, sold out Kappa platform has something to do with Josh.

That would make you a moron.

Kappa isn't making any money for GM due to the engineering costs. It is losing money. Having a more flexible platform that could spawn more variants would result in better economies of scale and spread the fixed costs out so that the platform might reach profitability. That's it. My dislike for Kappa has to do with the fact that it was rushed and not thought through very well before being approved. As a result, we have two roadsters and that's it. Every proposed variant doesn't make it past the green light. Why? Kappa isn't flexible enough for anything other than 2-seat roadsters. What about a hardtop? Doubtful, since the gas tank still takes up 90% of the trunk. Roadster buyers are a lot more forgiving of virtually zero trunk space. But coupe buyers? Not as much.

Had the business cases been more properly thought out and the platform created so that other types of vehicles could feasibly produced, then I would be a fan of Kappa. But it wastes money, isn't likely to be profitable, and just exacerbates GM's problems...

Yea, ocn, it just HAS to be because Josh owns one :rolleyes:

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I say this is encouraging for those of us who wish for a smaller-than-Zeta RWD platform from GMNA for Chevy and Pontiac... that 260 hp turbo engine would sing such a sweet song in a Tempest, for example.

Only if it's profitable. Guess what? It isn't!

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