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3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

^ Good lord, VW...

Right, This is just mind boggling that they went this far with deceptive MPG software.

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Wonder how this will effect their reputation / trust level going forward, even if it's regarding EVs. Multiple corporate-level marketing cheats don't go far in the 2nd-largest-capital-expenditure of a consumer's life.

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49 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Wonder how this will effect their reputation / trust level going forward, even if it's regarding EVs. Multiple corporate-level marketing cheats don't go far in the 2nd-largest-capital-expenditure of a consumer's life.

Certainly true.  Then again, VW is a perfect case of truly rotten management, poor leadership and shoddy thinking led to these multiple scandals.  New leadership is required to clean up these messes.

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4 hours ago, balthazar said:

Wonder how this will effect their reputation / trust level going forward, even if it's regarding EVs. Multiple corporate-level marketing cheats don't go far in the 2nd-largest-capital-expenditure of a consumer's life.

BUt the thing is.. AMERICAN MEDIA.. won't cover it except for a blurb. GM or Ford.. or even Chry.. they would be running the stories back to back daily for 5 years. 

I mean really. I just thought about what I typed and almost threw up in my mouth at the bulls#!t. Especially if it were GM they would be obsessed over it.. demanding Trump ram Mary Barra's residence door down to get at her

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11 hours ago, dfelt said:

NOT to be political, but focused on the trade and it's relation to the auto industry. So many of the electrical components come from the Asian rim. As one can see from the chart below, costs have gone up across the board due to the trade war, but no real positive change in that relation and with the increased cost of auto's, we have all stated that auto's are becoming less of an ownership thing for everyone. Companies have started to move manufacturing from China to other 3rd world places in the Asian rim such as Malaysia and one has to wonder if that will really change anything.

WHAT DO YOU think will happen with auto costs and as companies move to EVs in replacing ICE, does that mean we truly will see lower costs or are the higher prices here to stay?

WHAT DO YOU think of the relation of trade deficit to the auto companies ability to deliver QUALITY ICE/EV auto's at prices people will pay / can afford?

https://www.axios.com/trump-trade-deficit-world-china-6c0e421a-872d-4232-951c-511e0c785f68.html

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Depends on where we are talking about.

EV growth will continue on with slow, but steady growth. The biggest thing holding EV back is the infrastructure. You can’t just throw one up like a gas station- nor how the general public will abuse them like the current ICE.......

The smarter thing would be to ease regulations (safety) to bring the cost down some. I mean-if your car has to beep every time to correct you, I’m thinking they shouldn’t be driving in the first place! Younger folks are having a hard time between the debt and the lower intro salaries to justify buying a decent CUV or even a new car......

The economy is going to hurt even more with many companies slashing models to stem the flow of losses (like you see Ford do with the car line)

And these are just the starting points.....

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@daves87rs I am really interested in why you think putting up a commercial grade charger is harder than a destructive environmental gas station. All the EPA regs and double wall tank plus underground leak sensors, soil sensors, etc. compared to running the 220 or 440 3 phase to a pad and putting up the trickle or quick charge chargers.

Right now there are 22,800 commerical charging stations in the US.

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=ELEC&country=US&ev_levels=2&ev_levels=dc_fast&ev_levels=1

According to the U.S. Department of Energy, we have the following statistics:

270 million ICE autos, 150,000 Gas stations, 1.2 million pumps which equals 225 ICE autos to a single pump.

1 million EVs at the end of 2018 registered, 22,800 Charge stations, 63,840 Charging connections which equals 15 EVs per charge connection.

This does not even include 110 or 220, level 1 & 2 home or business connections that are out there.

I would say the EV charging infrastructure is building fast.

I would say check out your area for current details.

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Seems Cadillac is behind the 8 ball in regards to the new V series due to emission issues that they say are now resolved but explains why the V and Blackwing 2019's which are all sold out have not shipped to a single dealer yet.

http://cadillacsociety.com/2019/08/31/cadillac-ct6-v-deliveries-delayed-over-emissions/

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8 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

BUt the thing is.. AMERICAN MEDIA.. won't cover it except for a blurb. GM or Ford.. or even Chry.. they would be running the stories back to back daily for 5 years. 

I mean really. I just thought about what I typed and almost threw up in my mouth at the bulls#!t. Especially if it were GM they would be obsessed over it.. demanding Trump ram Mary Barra's residence door down to get at her

Ohhh...I have given up on the mainstream American media. I never watch Fox, MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS or the like. 

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21 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Great Fleet!!  I guess I'm waiting till next spring now to get a bike. 

Didn't know U rode. Naaah. If I were U I'd get one now or in the coming months. Prices will be down. 2019 Harleys, if that's what U are going for are on sale. Went on Labor Day just to peruse and man they have hella deals. One day.. when I'm ready to do that cross-country ride.. I'll go back to pick-up a Road Glide or Road King

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7 hours ago, dfelt said:

Seems Cadillac is behind the 8 ball in regards to the new V series due to emission issues that they say are now resolved but explains why the V and Blackwing 2019's which are all sold out have not shipped to a single dealer yet.

http://cadillacsociety.com/2019/08/31/cadillac-ct6-v-deliveries-delayed-over-emissions/

Yeah.. saw that a few days ago. Oh well.. Its reason one why I have zero issue with waiting til the 2020s go into production.. maybe even a lightly used one to kill me taking a hit on depreciation. Luxury cars are the worst when it comes to that. Friend of mine literally went into trade his S63AMG in with less than 20K on the odo.. I think it was a '17.. they offered him $60K if I remember correct. 

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At least Cadillac resolved the emissions issue on the CT6-V.  I do hope that at least another 5000 are made and released to the public.

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3 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Ohhh...I have given up on the mainstream American media. I never watch Fox, MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS or the like. 

5 years ago I cut the cord and went with streaming to enjoy the shows I wanted to watch, reduce the commercials and BS Media Manipulation. Course Social Media is even worse than Mainstream American Media.

Rather read BCC or some other news source over our current mess.

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2 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Didn't know U rode. Naaah. If I were U I'd get one now or in the coming months. Prices will be down. 2019 Harleys, if that's what U are going for are on sale. Went on Labor Day just to peruse and man they have hella deals. One day.. when I'm ready to do that cross-country ride.. I'll go back to pick-up a Road Glide or Road King

I'm waiting for a rental property to sell.  I won't be buying new, I'll buy a low mileage pre-owned this:

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3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I'm waiting for a rental property to sell.  I won't be buying new, I'll buy a low mileage pre-owned this:

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BMW ninet Scrambler? How tall are U? 

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10 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

BMW ninet Scrambler? How tall are U? 

Yes. 5'10"... why?

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9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Yes. 5'10"... why?

Height matters in riding. Believe me. When I was originally looking for a bike (I'm 6'3) I was gonna get a Sportster 1200.. Sat on it.. all hunched over even with 10 inch bars.. went for a test.. came back with an aching back. At 5'10,.. U still might want to look at a larger bike so as U don;t have to go thru as much adjusting and changing stuff to accommodate your height.. just sayin. If U already know this.. my bad.. That BMW may have U needing to up the handle bars and change the seat.. no to mention get forward controls. TRUTHFULLY.. U can find a lotta nice deals on older bikes with low miles that are larger.. from Harley.. Triumph.. Indian.. hell even Yamaha. I admittedly was considering getting a Yamaha Raider S

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If I ever get the urge to get back onto a bike, I would go this route for ICE:

 

See the source image

For EV I would go with the Live Wire from Harley.

Best electric motorcycles - Johammer J1 200Best electric motorcycles - Johammer J1 200

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18 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Height matters in riding. Believe me. When I was originally looking for a bike (I'm 6'3) I was gonna get a Sportster 1200.. Sat on it.. all hunched over even with 10 inch bars.. went for a test.. came back with an aching back. At 5'10,.. U still might want to look at a larger bike so as U don;t have to go thru as much adjusting and changing stuff to accommodate your height.. just sayin. If U already know this.. my bad.. That BMW may have U needing to up the handle bars and change the seat.. no to mention get forward controls. TRUTHFULLY.. U can find a lotta nice deals on older bikes with low miles that are larger.. from Harley.. Triumph.. Indian.. hell even Yamaha. I admittedly was considering getting a Yamaha Raider S

I've tried this one out already. BMW lent me one for a day (it's nice to know people).  I picked this one because it is a 1,200, but it is under 500 lbs, so it can go on a Mototote to let me drag it down to Florida without having to get a trailer. It's basically the most powerful bike under 500 lbs that I can find... plus, I love the way it looks.  I'm not a big fan of V-twins. I took an Indian out for a day and I just don't like the lumpiness of it. 

One of the smoothest I found was the Honda CB1100 EX, but it's over the 500lbs limit. 

edit: I also have gorilla arms, so I can do a really long reach 

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21 hours ago, dfelt said:

@daves87rs I am really interested in why you think putting up a commercial grade charger is harder than a destructive environmental gas station. All the EPA regs and double wall tank plus underground leak sensors, soil sensors, etc. compared to running the 220 or 440 3 phase to a pad and putting up the trickle or quick charge chargers.

Right now there are 22,800 commerical charging stations in the US.

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=ELEC&country=US&ev_levels=2&ev_levels=dc_fast&ev_levels=1

According to the U.S. Department of Energy, we have the following statistics:

270 million ICE autos, 150,000 Gas stations, 1.2 million pumps which equals 225 ICE autos to a single pump.

1 million EVs at the end of 2018 registered, 22,800 Charge stations, 63,840 Charging connections which equals 15 EVs per charge connection.

This does not even include 110 or 220, level 1 & 2 home or business connections that are out there.

I would say the EV charging infrastructure is building fast.

I would say check out your area for current details.

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Simple answer my friend - not hard-just not fast enough. Keep in mind they have been putting in gas stations in for over 100 years...and are still putting them in! 

Going to take awhile to get that many electric stations for the general public to have many choices.....

While there are other options ( home, work, local public place) they really need to be everywhere to be the dominant choice.

Hence my thought on the ramp up of EV.......

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Man, does HomeAdvisor give some shitty, erroneous information.
"light fixture work : $150 - $750"
"wiring a house : $550 - $750."

Look at that for a half second.

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12 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Simple answer my friend - not hard-just not fast enough. Keep in mind they have been putting in gas stations in for over 100 years...and are still putting them in! 

Going to take awhile to get that many electric stations for the general public to have many choices.....

While there are other options ( home, work, local public place) they really need to be everywhere to be the dominant choice.

Hence my thought on the ramp up of EV.......

Those are just the public charging points. Most people charge up at home (except the Tesla Supercharger leaches). 

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32 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

(except the Tesla Supercharger leaches).

You make it sound like they didn't already pay for the service up front... 

While annoying, I get it. They paid for that. Why pay two times for charging?

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