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Chevrolet News:2017 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Produces 650 Horsepower and Pound-Feet

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William Maley    394

When Chevrolet revealed the 2017 Camaro ZL1 at the New York Auto Show earlier this year, it was said that the supercharged 6.2L V8 would produce 640 horsepower and 640 pound-feet of torque. But a leaked order guide shows that the Camaro ZL1 actually has a little bit more power.

 

The folks at Camaro6 forum got their hands on a leaked order guide for the 2017 Camaro and found out that the ZL1 actually produces 650 horsepower and 650 pound-feet of torque. Just to put that in perspective, the Corvette Z06 has the same power numbers. We're sensing there will be a fight when the ZL1 arrives later this year.

 

Source: Camaro6.com



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El Kabong    273

Great news for Camaro fans... but I'm not sure if it means the Z06 won't be getting a few more hp as well. New hood, new cooling upgrades...

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ocnblu    733

I am a true blue Chevy fan, but the Camaro is just too expensive.  People will always shop it against the Mustang and Challenger... not a BMW M4.  650 horsepower is NOTHING to sneeze at... but at what price?  A Mustang 5.0 can be had for $4-$6k less than Camaro SS with disciplined ordering... plus it is dead sexy.  The Camaro looks good, if a bit detached, closed in and emotionally unavailable, while the Mustang's been doing squats (dat ass tho!) and is not afraid to flaunt it.

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El Kabong    273

GM's profit sheet would seem to indicate that the Camaro is pushing the envelope of affordability as opposed to tearing it. The weakest link in the Camaro chain price-wise is the 2SS, and even it offers a performance premium proportional to its price premium over the Mustang GT.

In fact, if the 1LE comes in at 60 grand I would make the argument that it is, by far, the best value per dollar proposition for ponycar fans. It will almost certainly match the power to weight of a Hellcat but with more tire and gears, and it has the goods to annihilate the GT350.

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Suaviloquent    713

Except ya forgot that even true blue Chevy fans also place value on looks and among other things practicalities.

 

Now, both the GT350 and the 1LE will probably ride worse than a standard tune GT/SS, but the point being, performance value is one kind of value. There's many different kinds of values that together make a purchase.

 

I couldn't care anymore. A car that comes out 2 model years later should damn well be better than the competition. 

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William Maley    394

I am a true blue Chevy fan, but the Camaro is just too expensive.  People will always shop it against the Mustang and Challenger... not a BMW M4.  650 horsepower is NOTHING to sneeze at... but at what price?  A Mustang 5.0 can be had for $4-$6k less than Camaro SS with disciplined ordering... plus it is dead sexy.  The Camaro looks good, if a bit detached, closed in and emotionally unavailable, while the Mustang's been doing squats (dat ass tho!) and is not afraid to flaunt it.

I'll agree on the 'closed in' part since I just drove a Camaro SS convertible and felt like that even with the top down. I'm not sure about the other two since I felt the Camaro had slightly more emotion than the Mustang. Plus I feel more attached to the Camaro than Mustang.

Although if you were to ask me which car has the most emotion, I would put the Challenger on top.

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regfootball    234

650 hp doesn't make the back seat bigger, doesn't make the vehicle any easier to see out of or feel less bunker like.

 

the prices are a lot of what is killing the sales.

 

they really could reskin this car with a taller roof and thinner pillars and keep a look of say, the 69.

 

fantastic car.  Give it another 6 months, GM will or should adjust the pricing and packaging and get rebates going.

 

They'll probably get more profits off the special editions like this than v6's with a few options.  

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oldshurst442    991

Please.

Please.

Let us NOT complain about price.

THAT is the price you pay to play.

If not....a regular SS will have to do.

And if THAT price tag is too high, then a turbo 4 ecotec is the way to go.

Hey...that little 4 cylinder packs nearly 300 horsepower and as much torque.

A C4 Vette had wet dreams to have that much under the hood.

It took a 1992 LT1 Vette to eek out more power that this little turbo ecotec. (yes yes...1990 ZR1)

 

And please...the ORIGINAL 1969 Camaro ZL1 aluminium big block 427 also had a sky high price tag...

 

The 650/650 club.

Its a phoking nice club to be in....

Not to mention the handling characteristics of this beast. (and beast this is....in looks and in performance)

 

I saw my first Challenger Hellcat today.

I was full of glee.

If I ever come across ANY Camaro ZL1, be it an F-Body or Zeta or Alpha...I will probably shyte myself with glee as much as I had with the Hellcat today.

 

Why?

 

Because  tremendously V8 powered muscle car....that is why!!!

 

The sales may not be there...

Its because:

1. Its a coupe

2. It aint a SUV

3. Insurance kills these cars.

 

Same reasons why the Camaro died in 2002.

Hell, same reasons why all muscle cars died in 1974...

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El Kabong    273

Except ya forgot that even true blue Chevy fans also place value on looks and among other things practicalities.

 

Now, both the GT350 and the 1LE will probably ride worse than a standard tune GT/SS, but the point being, performance value is one kind of value. There's many different kinds of values that together make a purchase.

 

I couldn't care anymore. A car that comes out 2 model years later should damn well be better than the competition.

I suspect the 1LE will ride better than any of them. MR shocks and all.

Your point about the newer car being better is not something you should take for granted. After all, let's not forget that the Alpha platform is actually OLDER than S550. Engineered to standard, not a price.

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FordCosworth    128
Except ya forgot that even true blue Chevy fans also place value on looks and among other things practicalities.

 

Now, both the GT350 and the 1LE will probably ride worse than a standard tune GT/SS, but the point being, performance value is one kind of value. There's many different kinds of values that together make a purchase.

 

I couldn't care anymore. A car that comes out 2 model years later should damn well be better than the competition.

FYI the 2017 GT350, which will be out soon, comes standard with MR Dampers.

It'll ride nicely.

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FordCosworth    128

Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow, the SS has them toooooo-day...

Yes. Tomorrow, tomorrow...

Like the ZL1 and 1LE

And unlike the SS and current GT350, the MR will be standard and not an option.

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surreal1272    677

Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow, the SS has them toooooo-day...

Yes. Tomorrow, tomorrow...

Like the ZL1 and 1LE

And unlike the SS, the MR will be standard and not an option.

On a near $50K car, it damn well better be standard. As it stands, you can get MRC cheaper on a 2SS than you will be able to get on the 2017 GT350.

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FordCosworth    128

Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow, the SS has them toooooo-day...

Yes. Tomorrow, tomorrow...

Like the ZL1 and 1LE

And unlike the SS, the MR will be standard and not an option.

On a near $50K car, it damn well better be standard. As it stands, you can get MRC cheaper on a 2SS than you will be able to get on the 2017 GT350.

Yes the MR should be standard equipment on 50k + cars like the GT350 and Corvette.

Nice to Ford rectify this.

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surreal1272    677

Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow, the SS has them toooooo-day...

Yes. Tomorrow, tomorrow...

Like the ZL1 and 1LE

And unlike the SS, the MR will be standard and not an option.

On a near $50K car, it damn well better be standard. As it stands, you can get MRC cheaper on a 2SS than you will be able to get on the 2017 GT350.

Yes the MR should be standard equipment on 50k + cars like the GT350 and Corvette.

Nice to Ford rectify this.

Of course Chevy gives it to you for $42K on the 2SS package.

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surreal1272    677

Jesus.. And for 34K you get a V8 in a mustang.. how much further down are we going to go?

Jesus yourself. Pay attention to what is actually being said. This was about cars equipped with MRC and the 2SS is the cheapest one out there with that.

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Suaviloquent    713

Many kinds of value. Performance value. Aesthetics value. Space efficiency value. Fuel economy. Safety. And different people put different weights on those values.

 

 

Don't make this a big 2 middle finger thread guys.

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dfelt    1,782

Regardless of Mustang or Camaro, we all should be freaking happy with the performance war that has delivered such amazing beasts.

 

The next war will not be based on petro engines, but on pure electric. I am calling it here now and that we will see the next pony war to expand to include pony type auto;s from the asian rim and it will be pure EV baby. Everyone will want to have Insane Mode on their Electric AWD Pony car! :metal:

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oldshurst442    991

Jesus.. And for 34K you get a V8 in a mustang.. how much further down are we going to go?

 

If Bong, Surreal and Mr. Fordcosworth somehow look like this:

girls-next-door-picture.jpg

 

Then I wont mind any further Mustang versus Camaro pillow fights.

276855.jpg

 

Ill let my fantasies run wild.

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But Sadly...THIS is the reality of these Mustang versus Camaro Pillow Fights...

 

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surreal1272    677

Jesus.. And for 34K you get a V8 in a mustang.. how much further down are we going to go?

 

If Bong, Surreal and Mr. Fordcosworth somehow look like this:

girls-next-door-picture.jpg

 

Then I wont mind any further Mustang versus Camaro pillow fights.

276855.jpg

 

Ill let my fantasies run wild.

qeJu6zq.gif

tumblr_m8d35v7S9c1rpqv5go1_500.gif

 

But Sadly...THIS is the reality of these Mustang versus Camaro Pillow Fights...

 

tumblr_no3w91Uo0G1smsh68o1_500.gif

I merely gave the facts. No drama on my part and no skin off my back if some here have a problem with the facts.

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oldshurst442    991

Im just having fun, Surreal. No malice intended.

Like Samantha Fox once said:

Hello....Its me again... (I just came back from vacation)

I WANNA HAVE SOME FUN!

(Yes, I realize that she says that she wants to have fun with her body all nite long....WHAT A COINKYDINK??!!!!

I WANNA HAVE FUN WITH HER BODY TOO...hence the pillow fight scenes)

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      Both the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango are still competitive in their respective classes, despite getting up there in age. Just be careful with your option selection as it can make both models very poor values.
      Disclaimer: Fiat Chrysler Automobiles Provided the Vehicles, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2017
      Make: Dodge
      Model: Durango
      Trim: GT
      Engine: 3.6L 24-Valve VVT with ESS
      Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, All-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 295 @ 6,400
      Torque @ RPM: 260 @ 4,000
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 18/25/21
      Curb Weight: 4,987 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Detroit, Michigan
      Base Price: $40,095
      As Tested Price: $49,660 (Includes $1,095 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Premium Group - $2,395
      Rear Entertainment System- $1,995
      Safety/Security and Convenience Group - $1,195
      Second-Row Captain Chairs - $995
      Trailer Tow Group IV - $995
      Brass Monkey Appearance Group - $595
      Second-Row Console - $300
      Year: 2017
      Make: Jeep
      Model: Grand Cherokee
      Trim: Summit
      Engine: 3.6L 24-Valve VVT with ESS
      Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, All-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 295 @ 6,400
      Torque @ RPM: 260 @ 4,000
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 18/25/21
      Curb Weight: 4,952 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Detroit, Michigan
      Base Price: $53,995
      As Tested Price: $60,675 (Includes $995 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Signature Leather-Wrapped Interior Package - $4,995
      Summit California Edition - $995
      Skid Plate Group - $295
    • By William Maley
      Chevrolet will be introducing a new base model of the 2018 Tahoe called the Custom. The Custom sets itself apart from other Tahoes as it will not have a third-row seat, increasing cargo space to 54 cubic feet. Standard equipment includes 18-inch wheels, 8-inch touchscreen with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility, OnStar 4G LTE with Wi-Fi, backup camera, and remote start.
      Like most Tahoes, the Custom features the 5.3L V8 with 355 horsepower. Out of the box, the Tahoe Custom can tow up to 6,600 pounds. An optional max trailering package boosts that to 8,600 pounds.
      “The Tahoe Custom is a response to strong customer demand for Tahoe, as well as the full-size SUV segment moving upmarket. In the past five years, the average transaction price for the segment has climbed fueled by customer appetite for features like heated and cooled seats, adaptive cruise control and a head-up display. This created an unmet need in the marketplace for customers who want the cargo and towing capability of a full-size SUV to go camping, boating or off-roading but don’t necessarily want all of the option content offered on a Tahoe Premier,” said Sandor Piszar, Chevrolet Trucks marketing director in a statement.
      The 2018 Tahoe Custom arrives at dealers next month with a base price of $44,995.
      Source: Chevrolet
      Press Release is on Page 2


      CHEVROLET INTRODUCES THE TAHOE CUSTOM
      New model offers Tahoe’s legendary capability starting at $44,995 DETROIT — Today Chevrolet announced the new Tahoe Custom special edition for the 2018 model year. Like other Custom models, the Tahoe Custom is intended for buyers who want the uncompromised capability of Chevrolet trucks and SUVs in a great looking package at an outstanding value.
      “The Tahoe Custom is a response to strong customer demand for Tahoe, as well as the full-size SUV segment moving upmarket,” said Sandor Piszar, Chevrolet Trucks marketing director. “In the past five years, the average transaction price for the segment has climbed fueled by customer appetite for features like heated and cooled seats, adaptive cruise control and a head-up display. This created an unmet need in the marketplace for customers who want the cargo and towing capability of a full-size SUV to go camping, boating or off-roading but don’t necessarily want all of the option content offered on a Tahoe Premier.”
      For $44,995, the 2018 Tahoe Custom comes standard with 6,600 pounds of towing capacity (up to 8,600 pounds of towing with max trailering package), a maximum of 112 cubic feet of cargo space and a 355-hp, 5.3L V-8 engine that delivers an expected segment-leading 23 mpg highway based on EPA estimates.
      The Tahoe Custom is based on the LS trim and adds 18-inch painted aluminum wheels, all-season tires and a chrome-accented grille. Plus, Tahoe Custom features a third-row seat that has been removed, increasing cargo space behind the second row to a substantial 54 cubic feet for added utility.
      Tahoe Custom also features a suite of connectivity technologies including:
      Apple CarPlay & Android Auto compatibility 4G LTE connectivity with Wi-Fi hotspot (includes three-month/3G data trial) 8-inch color touchscreen radio Standard rear-vision camera Standard remote start Standard teen driver mode Available Enhanced Driver Alert Package that features Forward Collision Alert, Safety Alert Driver Seat, IntelliBeam headlamps with automatic high-beam control, Lane Keep Assist and Low Speed Forward Automatic Braking Up to five USB ports and five power outlets — including a 110-volt three-prong outlet —  to support electronic devices of all kinds (up to 11 charging locations) Tahoe Custom will be available at Chevy dealers in September 2017.

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