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[oldshurst442]

*oxen*

I had a slight brain slip up.  Stupid English language.

- fox  >foxes

- ox   >oxes?    HELL NO!  Lets phoque the minds of people...  Ox >Oxen

Ive got a mouses problem in my house.  I wonder how many hice have mouses problems in my neighbourhood?

Or would that be a RATT problem?  (like the Geico commercial)   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Robert Hall]

40 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

*oxen*

I had a slight brain slip up.  Stupid English language.

- fox  >foxes

- ox   >oxes?    HELL NO!  Lets phoque the minds of people...  Ox >Oxen

Ive got a mouses problem in my house.  I wonder how many hice have mouses problems in my neighbourhood?

 

Mouse plural is mice.  I wonder if that applies to multiple computer mouse also, though?  Mouses?  

[ocnblu]

1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

Mouse plural is mice

I find it funny that your sarcasm sensor is constantly on the fritz.

[oldshurst442]

17 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Mouse plural is mice.  I wonder if that applies to multiple computer mouse also, though?  Mouses?  

So...is the plural of house, hice?   Im Canadian you know...  We English differently than  you Americans.  Then there is the English English.  I really dont know what language they speak. 

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by oldshurst442

[balthazar]

7 hours ago, ykX said:

@balthazar While I am not a huge EV proponent, personally last few years starting to change my mind. I can see the change and the advantages.  As a CONSUMER I can tell you, that personally when I will be in need of my next daily driver in about 6 years, EV will be on top of my shopping list.  I was not considering EV just couple years back.  

I mean this is really kind of pointless argument, you and @ocnblu will not change your mind and at the moment, purely from economical standpoint, ICE still wins the numbers.   However, like it or not EVs are coming.  EVs are more efficient and when the cost of batteries will  come down they will be able to compete easily with ICE vehicles.  You can see that EVERY automaker has a number of new models in pipeline already and more will come.

To clarify; I don't have a problem with EV vehicles existing, and they have some tangible advantages. Ocnblu doesn't seem to want them to exist, if I may be boldly assumptive. Now, an EV would not work for me- I need the same size truck I have now, I cannot park inside so I'd have to run an extension cord out to it daily, then coil it up in the morning/stow it (that might fall under "maintenance" for some), and I don't have $125,000 budgeted for a Bolinger.

But that's not to say I wish to deny Bolinger to try and sell it's truck. That also doesn't mean I believe all the futurist unicorn fart babble that everything's wonderful and these EV start-ups are all in perfect health / going to last 100 years. There is wishful thinking and there is reality. You can't tell me anyone is making money on a production EV in the big picture.

[A Horse With No Name]

On 5/13/2020 at 10:19 PM, balthazar said:

Horses still exist.

But I don't remotely feel the auto was a replacement for the horse. That would be the tractor.

Any talk of doing away with Horse is something I find troubling and a bit offensive....and personal....

On 4/17/2020 at 7:30 PM, balthazar said:

This COVID-19 mess literally could not have come at a worse time for EVs.

It is not going to get better any time soon...

[David]

Tesla has narrowed the scope of where their new TeraFactory will be built. Seems the two choices are Austin Texas or Tulsa Oklahoma. Either way Musk has told his team to prepare for building the plant and start production of the Model Y CUV by the end of the year.

Normally many in the auto industry say this is impossible but after breaking ground and starting production of Tesla 3 at the Chinese plant, one has to wonder if Tesla could pull this off in 6 months.

My gut says no. Even building this in a Red state of business friendly, I just do not see such a massive factory / building getting built and starting production of a specific auto in 6 months.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/tesla-says-its-new-terafactory-will-be-producing-model-y-by-the-end-of-this-year/

Tesla full production S sedan with new Cheetah mode makes new world record in 1/4 mile run at the track.

https://electrek.co/2020/05/18/tesla-model-s-performance-achieves-new-record-quarter-mile-cheetah-stance/

[David]

Seems Pandemic is delaying everything. Ford has stated that the start of production for the 2021 Bronco and Mach-e has been delayed by 2 months. They now join the delay of the new F-150 and Bronco Sport which are also delayed.
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/05/18/ford-bronco-mach-e-production-delayed-coronavirus/

Shame Dyson could not figure out how to produce their electric auto. Now in an interview with Sir Dyson, they finally show off the 700 mile range Solid State battery powered 7 seater CUV.

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/05/17/dyson-electric-car-revealed/

Battery tech will go into Dyson products and be sold to other auto companies.

Dyson say's that to break even in the first few years, the auto would have to sell for at least $150,000 per auto.

I suspect that Dyson also realized the huge investment it will take to start up an auto company as to be the real reason for killing off their project.

[David]

History is made in beating Big Daddy Don Garlits in EV Drag as his record was 189 mph last year. 

With 2,400 HP, 2,000 lb feet of torque. You have a new world record of 201 mph @ 7.520 second quarter mile. With driver, this dragster weights only 2010 lbs.

 

[David]

Auto registrations are set to fall 18% this year for EV's sold globally. Yet this is smaller than what analyst say will be at least a 23% reduction in ICE auto registrations.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-electric-research/electric-car-sales-to-fall-but-not-as-much-as-other-vehicles-research-idUSKBN22V0DD

Analyst are projecting a bumpy 3 years for auto sales globally. 

Bloomberg projects that EV will account for 31% of overall auto fleet by 2040 and account for 58% of new auto sales by 2040. This is expected as ICE auto sales hit their global peak in 2017 and have been tappering off since. The pandemic will cause an even bigger hit to over all auto sales with ICE having the biggest drop.

The figures have implications for the Oil and Electricity Markets. Bloomberg is forcasting that by 2040, EV's will remove 17.6 million barrels per day of Oil Demand up from 1 million today.

The report also shows growth for Hydrogen fuel-cell auto's which would be in the heavy-duty commercial market.

[balthazar]

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Auto registrations are set to fall 18% this year for EV's sold globally. Yet this is smaller than what analyst say will be at least a 23% reduction in ICE auto registrations.

Mathmatically, that translates to an unchanged market.
If we use 2000  & 100,000 to represent the 2.0% of current EV marketshare, multiplying by the percentages above gives EVs a market share of 2.1%. The 5% difference is negligible when your slice of the pie is so tiny.

- - - - -
For EVs to "account" for 31% of the overall fleet of vehicles in 20 years' time, they will have to average 4.12 million sales per year starting immediately (31% of 275,000,000 is 82,500,000/20). But US & global EV sales peaked in 2018, and were down in 2019. 2019's US sales were 330,000, a bit shy of 4.1 million. And being that 2020 sales are going to be terrible, let's just call it 4.34 million U.S. EV sales starting 1/1/21.

GOOD LUCK with that!!

And; MATH.

 

Edited May 19, 2020 by balthazar

[ocnblu]

The agenda does not include common sense.

[David]

Very Excited for the Hummer by GMC EV Truck and SUV. What they keep releasing is making me like the auto more and more.

Gotta Love the removable top design on it.

https://www.gmc.com/electric-truck/hummer-ev?evar36=MRM_eml_GMC_HR_2022_HummerEV_May_adhoc_0520_16465263280

 

[David]

Mercedes-Benz EQA is spotted with very little camo on it, giving the best look yet at what this subcompact EV CUV will look like.

 

11min video by a rabid Tesla fan teen who has been documenting the new Tesla 4 factory or what is now known as Gigafactory Berlin. The size of the site that is now prepped for ground breaking and construction start is impressive.

 

 

[balthazar]

The mercedes evcuv will look like every other cuv they’ve built over the last 15 years. The camo is unnecessary. 

[David]

Here is a bit of Irony, seems the oil industry is backing moving to pure EV oil tankers.

 

Have to say this is funny as heck as a consortium of Japanese companies are working to change all shipping to Electric vessels and their first target is the oil industry that is supporting this change.

Now this is NOT the Super Oil Transport tankers, but what would be coastal delivery ships. Much like in Europe where you have electric ferries moving people and auto's around.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128265_electric-oil-tankers-a-slick-use-of-renewable-energy

[David]

Once a focused Aerospace powertrain company, IRP Systems has totally during this Pandemic changed into a EV powertrain provider company.

Clearly there is money in the business as they raised $17 million in Series B funding to support their change from an Aerospace company to an auto powertrain supplier.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/electric-powertrain-provider-irp-systems-raises-17-million-in-series-b-funding/

Seems Tesla has cut prices across the board as a base Tesla 3 now starts at $37,990.

https://electrek.co/2020/05/27/tesla-cuts-prices-lineup/

[balthazar]

So, aside from the “off-menu”, stripped model 3 for “$35K”, up until yesterday the 3 was $40 grand to start. Too high above the median family sedan level, IMO.

What is the price for the Y?

[David]

2 minutes ago, balthazar said:

So, aside from the “off-menu”, stripped model 3 for “$35K”, up until yesterday the 3 was $40 grand to start. Too high above the median family sedan level, IMO.

What is the price for the Y?

Tesla Y AWD as no RWD or FWD version available starts at $48,690.

[balthazar]

^ LOL that's literally insane!
Remember all the flap about the Blazer RS being $49K??

Tesla pushing their vehicle's top speed is really bizarre and detached. I mean- who cares??

[oldshurst442]

40 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Tesla pushing their vehicle's top speed is really bizarre and detached. I mean- who cares??

Tesla is in a pickle marketing wise...   

They have branded themselves as performance oriented EVs.  But with the Model Y, the target market Tesla wants and NEEDS to survive with couldnt care less about perfornce.

So what does Elon gotta do?

Sell the Model Y as a performance EV where 99% of the peeps buying THIS particular EV dont care, and risk losing them to other brands like Chevy when Chevy brings out their non-performance CUV EV or...

Market this Model Y like how the core market of this particular EV will be like,  which should technically be as a family hauler and grocery getter,   and risk tarnishing the Tesla performance branded and oriented EV company they have successfully done so far ?

 

[frogger]

42 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Tesla is in a pickle marketing wise...   

They have branded themselves as performance oriented EVs.  But with the Model Y, the target market Tesla wants and NEEDS to survive with couldnt care less about perfornce.

So what does Elon gotta do?

Sell the Model Y as a performance EV where 99% of the peeps buying THIS particular EV dont care, and risk losing them to other brands like Chevy when Chevy brings out their non-performance CUV EV or...

Market this Model Y like how the core market of this particular EV will be like,  which should technically be as a family hauler and grocery getter,   and risk tarnishing the Tesla performance branded and oriented EV company they have successfully done so far ?

 

I don't think most people over analyze... Porsche has done just fine selling their CUVs and sedan to go with their real sports cars.  The ground clearance is the same as a typical sedan and the centre of gravity is lower due to the batteries.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by frogger

[riviera74]

2 minutes ago, frogger said:

I don't think most people over analyze... Porsche has done just fine selling their CUVs and sedan to go with their real sports cars.

 

It's either that or go under.  Everyone is selling CUVs for that reason.

[oldshurst442]

Ill agree to that sentiment that Porsche is doing just fine...and that people dont tend to overanalyze...to a point.

I read an article not too long ago that Porsche's marketing department is concerned with their current image. Many new and recent Porsche owners arent really connecting to or  relating to the 911 or the supercars Porsche makes.   In other words,  Porsche is worried that they are fast becoming just another automobile company making just another CUV or sedan...   And the performance part and/or enthusiasm part of what made Porsche performance cars legendary  is not exactly  on top of new Porsche or would be Porsche car buyer's minds.

And hence the Jason Bourne/Fast and Furious/The Italian Job Superbowl commercial this past February. It was to try to rekindle that special Porsche performance magic...

In other words...

When did Porsche have to remind us car guys that Porsche has made some of the world's most thrilling cars?

Answer:

Since they build not one, not two, but three, tall, heavy,  SUVs  that are the exact opposite of what the original air cooled 911 was...

Not to mention the heavy AF sedan they got and the even heavier EV they are just beginning to peddle...

Back to Tesla...

A carefully crafted image that becomes accepted in the car community and has carved up itself a decent market and niche is easily shaken up with the peddling of the wrong product.  Oh sure, the wrong product could and would be WILDLY successful, but it could and would be a detriment to the image of the company sometime in the future and that could and would cause irreparable damage to the name sake....and good luck in getting that image back...and then eventually, sales...

Look at Cadillac.  

Look at Pontiac

Heck...look at Porsche. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by oldshurst442

[David]

Yet I think GM gets this with doing a Hummer by GMC EV Truck and SUV full size. 

I could care less and if they went away and into the history books, I still could care less about Porsche cars. Their CUVs are cool.

Hummer by GMC EV's are even Cooler.

[riviera74]

10 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Ill agree to that sentiment that Porsche is doing just fine...and that people dont tend to overanalyze...to a point.

I read an article not too long ago that Porsche's marketing department is concerned with their current image. Many new and recent Porsche owners arent really connecting to or  relating to the 911 or the supercars Porsche makes.   In other words,  Porsche is worried that they are fast becoming just another automobile company making just another CUV or sedan...   And the performance part and/or enthusiasm part of what made Porsche performance cars legendary  is not exactly  on top of new Porsche or would be Porsche car buyer's minds.

And hence the Jason Bourne/Fast and Furious/The Italian Job Superbowl commercial this past February. It was to try to rekindle that special Porsche performance magic...

In other words...

When did Porsche have to remind us car guys that Porsche has made some of the world's most thrilling cars?

Answer:

Since they build not one, not two, but three, tall, heavy,  SUVs  that are the exact opposite of what the original air cooled 911 was...

Not to mention the heavy AF sedan they got and the even heavier EV they are just beginning to peddle...

Back to Tesla...

A carefully crafted image that becomes accepted in the car community and has carved up itself a decent market and niche is easily shaken up with the peddling of the wrong product.  Oh sure, the wrong product could and would be WILDLY successful, but it could and would be a detriment to the image of the company sometime in the future and that could and would cause irreparable damage to the name sake....and good luck in getting that image back...and then eventually, sales...

Look at Cadillac.  

Look at Pontiac

Heck...look at Porsche. 

The Cimarron (1982-88) destroyed Cadillac's image in ways nothing else did.  Cadillac needed nothing smaller than the Seville period.

Pontiac's problem was FWD generally.  How do you build excitement out of a W-body Grand Prix and an A-body Grand Am? and a FWD G-body Bonneville?  BORING!

As for Porsche, they may have too many CUVs, but the 911 is still being built.  Porsche does need to lighten up the Panamera and the CUVs to bring them more in line with their original 911.

[David]

1970's and 1980's era Mercedes-Benz are best used for what?

Electrification according to a Belgium company that restores them to like new off the assembly line with an electric power train.

From $179,000 to $200,000 depending on model, you can have your dearly loved 70's or 80's MB restored to factory fresh with a high output EV system.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/33731/electric-conversions-dont-get-much-better-than-70s-and-80s-mercedes-benz-classics

[riviera74]

Looks interesting.  Would rather have a 2030 version of a GM BEV but OK.

[David]

Interesting EV news this evening.

First up is Lordstown motors which bought the 6.2 million square-feet Ohio Factory from GM last year. In the latest interview, CEO Steve Burns says they can produce 600,000 EV's a year out of the plant and are planning to fill it up fast with not just their AWD EV Truck but also an SUV when production starts later this year and deliveries scheduled for January 2021. Starting in 2022, an SUV and other auto's will come on line and Lordstown is planning to employ as many as 5,000 people by then in production of EVs.

They believe they can outsell GM which does not expect to sell 1 million EVs a year till 2025.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128301_will-lordstown-motors-outsell-electric-trucks-from-gm-ford-and-rivian

Next up is the posted interview with Mark Kaufman, Global Director of Electrification for Ford. Mark revealed 5 geeky details that shows or proves to some that Ford is committed to EVs long term and eventually replacing ICE auto's all together.

1. There is two battery tunes depending on if you buy RWD or AWD. This will satisfy the high performance crowd and still serve the long range distant crowd.
2. Rapid-prototyping prodigy is what the Mach-E has been for Ford. This has allowed them to get feedback and quickly build various versions to allow quick testing with customers. Example is that even on an EV with everything digital, customers still want a physical volume knob to use when driving and not have to look at a big screen and hunt for the touch point.
3. The Revolutionary new Sync 4A system that will debut with the Mach-E is a clean sheet infotainment system that is built on HTML5. Allows for superior system customization and layout. Owners can customize the interface to work the way they want it and not stuck in a Ford only mode. This also allows for future upgrades that can completely change the look and feel.
4. Over the air updates is being taken very seriously as they have an in-house cybersecurity team ensuring that the auto will be encrypted and comply with all privacy laws globally. To quote him: We take our customer trust very seriously.
5. The first update for the Mach-E that will be over the air 6 months after release will be Ford pushing out their Fords Autopilot feature for the EV. Kaufman did not state it would rival GM's supercruise or Tesla Autopilot, but enough comments from him leads the media and writers at Green Car Reports to believe so.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128304_ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-suv-5-geeky-details-show-ford-s-commitment-to-evs

[ocnblu]

Well bless their widdle pea-pickin' hearts.  So earnest in their dreams.  600k units per year?  Aww, that's an awful big number for a product that hasn't been delivered to one customer, and is coming into a market that has very little interest, and only the possibility of a lunatic fringe fan base.  At best.

[ykX]

Getting closer in pricing

[oldshurst442]

3 hours ago, ocnblu said:

lunatic fringe

 Good 'ole Canuck rock.  

CANUCK ROCK RULES!

 

Now...if Im restomodding a 1970s or 1980s Mercedes, Id be a freakin' lunatic to do so. Especially with a price tag of  179 000-200 000 American freakin' dollars.  But if I was on the fringe to do so,  Id think long and hard about electrification, but really, Id HEMI those bitches JUST to stick it to Mercedes! 

Id take the AMG HAMMER 

And DEMONIZE it!

Take that grille, Dodge-ify it by making it it a Dodge Crosshair look-alike. Rip those silly headlight washers out, take the left side headlight, modify it so I got one functional headlight and one functional air duct feeding the Hellcat crate motor under the hood that I will modify to have huge air scoops to feed that huge Kompressor...    Take that small and  silly 3 pointed star at the front on top of the grill and throw it out in the trash.  Put Hellcat logos on the left and right side front fenders and Im ready to go to Mercedes gatherings to show off my new MOPAR ride!  

If I had money to burn, Id get my hands on this nice electric blue, hybrid SLS 

 

Rip out all the drivetrain in it, trash that 3 pointed star. Modify the grill for it to be a Dodge Crosshair grill and stick any generation Viper V10 I could get my hands on in it.  You guessed it. To STICK it to Mercedes! 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by oldshurst442

[balthazar]

I question whether many people would be happy dumping major coin into a car as crappily built as a 70s-80s mercedes.

[oldshurst442]

Im sorry. This is an alternate fuels and propulsion thread.  Sorry I derailed it with MOPAR propelled German cars. 

The thing is, I wouldn't spend a dime restoring 70's and '80s Mercedes cars.   Not worth my time or money.  

[balthazar]

^ yeah- its a hilarious proposition. Take a $5K car, pay $175K and make it slower with a fraction of the range. Meanwhile you still (assumedly) have the same vinyl sticker ‘wood’ and shoddy, cheap engineering. 
would anyone do this to a Pinto?

[riviera74]

Seriously, it would be better to restore a true classic, like the Invicta project elsewhere in these forums.  I doubt any Germans would restore a 40-50 year-old Mercedes Benz.

[Robert Hall]

For a vintage Mercedes resto, I'd rather go the Mechatronik route.   Vintage car updated w/ modern Mercedes hardware.  

Edited May 29, 2020 by Robert Hall

[balthazar]

Why would want a mercedes engine in a classic Mercury? 😉

[Robert Hall]

3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Why would want a mercedes engine in a classic Mercury? 😉

Merc = Mercedes.

For a classic Mercury, I'd want a Ford powertrain, of course.   

If I had the garage space, wouldn't mind something like this for summer weekend  'tooling around' (as my Dad used to say)...

Edited May 29, 2020 by Robert Hall

[oldshurst442]

3 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

For a vintage Mercedes resto, I'd rather go the Mechatronik route.   Vintage car updated w/ modern Mercedes hardware.  

I googled Mechatronik.  Interesting.  I love stuff like that.  Companies that take classics and restomod them to high standard levels. Although I wouldnt be a customer of theirs (if I had ungodly amounts of money at my disposal) as Mercedes is not what Im into, but I love what they and other similar companies do.   

 

 

 

 

[Robert Hall]

I saw a couple of Mechatronik's cars on display at Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale a few years ago, they look well-built and well detailed...very pricy but very neat also.   Similarly,  I love the resto mod Singer Porsches..

Edited May 29, 2020 by Robert Hall

[David]

In reading the Press release, Toyota's web site and the first review on the Rav4 Prime, a plug-in hybrid. This Rav4 Prime is the fastest 4 door in Toyota's auto lineup other than the Supra. I will say it is not bad looking since it does not have the predator mouth.

One thing that I compared and am not surprised by since you have the electric assist system is that 0 to 60mph is 5.8 seconds compared to my 2008 Chevrolet Trailblazer SS AWD with a V8 that goes 0 to 60 in 5.7 seconds. Toyota Rav4 Prime is 90 MPGe versus my 12 MPG. WOW very impressive.

My sister and her best friend and room mate are both on site nurses that travel all over for in home care. As such putting on 30 to 45,000 miles a year is not uncommon for them. While she loves her Buick CUV, it is time to replace it and I have to say that it is hard to not recommend this AWD that just beats everything else out there in it's class.

My email to my sister posted here for you all to read.

Other than the Toyota Supra sports car, this is the fastest 4 door Toyota they have and it is no slouch with 302HP. It is worth a look as a replacement for your CUV’s you have. Battery warranty is 10 years or 150,000 miles whichever comes first. Assembled / built in Alabama from parts from Canada, Mexico, Japan and the US.

Based on the reviews, the Rav4 Prime XSE fully optioned including the weather package has the following:

• 9” Audio Plus system with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay
• Heated steering wheel
• Heated and cooled front seats
• Heated rear seats
• Parking assist
• HUD – color heads up display
• Adaptive front headlights – Means as you turn, the lights turn with you so you have maximum visability at night.
• Rain sensing wipers with deicer
• JBL premium audio
• Panoramic moonroof
• Hands-free power-hatch actuation
• Plus more

A True Performer

Tuned with responsiveness in mind, RAV4 Prime's powertrain rockets this SUV from 0 to 60 in an estimated 5.8 seconds. Its Electronic On-Demand All-Wheel Drive is able to send power to all four wheels, so every press of the throttle produces instant torque and thrilling acceleration. The available steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters help put this power directly into your hands, delivering even more exhilaration every time you get behind the wheel.

A Driver's Space

RAV4 Prime's cabin was tailored for the spirited drive, with everything designed to help keep you in full control. An available all-new 9-in. multimedia display places your entertainment, maps and more at front and center. Loaded with tech features, RAV4 Prime comes standard with Amazon Alexa, ⁶⁵ as well as Android Auto^™ 63 and Apple CarPlay^® 58 compatibility. And the available Head-Up Display (HUD) puts key driving information right on the windshield, so you can keep your eyes on the road ahead.

Review you can read about the Rav4 Hybrid Prime

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128330_2021-toyota-rav4-prime-42-mile-plug-in-could-cost-less-than-rav4-hybrid

Toyota web site for the Prime

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/rav4prime/

Press Release on the Rav4 Hybrid Prime 2021 model

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-revs-up-lineup-with-new-302-horsepower-rav4-prime/

 

[frogger]

They certainly did their homework to make sure the RAV4 would sell ridiculous numbers worldwide, though the Corolla is still far and away ahead of it and the FSeries. I question the wait period for the prime as when my wife was interested in the hybrid it was at least 4 months for the XSE.  Apparently the vast majority of RAV4 sales in Europe are the hybrid.

 

 

[David]

14 minutes ago, frogger said:

They certainly did their homework to make sure the RAV4 would sell ridiculous numbers worldwide, though the Corolla is still far and away ahead of it and the FSeries. I question the wait period for the prime as when my wife was interested in the hybrid it was at least 4 months for the XSE.  Apparently the vast majority of RAV4 sales in Europe are the hybrid.

They clearly are hitting a sweet spot for many who want AWD, CUV and Fuel Efficiency with performance.

Be interesting to see what GM, Ford and FCA respond with as currently they have nothing to compete against this.

[riviera74]

2 hours ago, dfelt said:

They clearly are hitting a sweet spot for many who want AWD, CUV and Fuel Efficiency with performance.

Be interesting to see what GM, Ford and FCA respond with as currently they have nothing to compete against this.

The domestics need an answer for the RAV4 Prime STAT.

[David]

GM is working to educate the public about EVs and as such has released the following videos.

The whole series which some are very GM customer serving will help to better understand EVs. Hopefully the sales people at GM dealerships especially Chevrolet will watch them and get educated on the BOLT.

Bolt EV Acadamy - 

 

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2020/may/0529-boltev.html

 

 

 

[David]

Israel startup REE is going into production building what they call the first true skateboard concept using in-wheel hub motors and putting everything except the battery pack, cooling and power distribution equipment in the wheel arches.

https://ree.auto/

 

[frogger]

On 5/30/2020 at 8:09 PM, dfelt said:

They clearly are hitting a sweet spot for many who want AWD, CUV and Fuel Efficiency with performance.

Be interesting to see what GM, Ford and FCA respond with as currently they have nothing to compete against this.

They are also re-introducing the Venza to North America with a version of the Japanese Harrier model with a pretty much RAV4 sized hybrid vehicle but more upscale appointments.

[frogger]

2021 Venza (initially Hybrid only in NA).  So in the last few years the Blazer, Passport, and Venza names are back and pretty directly competing with each other.

 

 

 

 

[David]

GM supposedly is going after the Commercial delivery fleet of the world. Production and availability is expected by the end of 2021 for Electric Delivery van.

Sounds like this is an answer to Rivian and their 100,000 EV van contract with Amazon.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128390_report-gm-electric-van-for-fleets-due-as-early-as-2021

Chinese EV auto company NIO has proven what Tesla originally proposed and then failed to deliver that Battery swapping is faster and makes customers happier than sitting and charging.

According to NIO and their country wide battery swapping sites, NIO had their 500,000 battery swap. Not that people do not also recharge their NIO, but when on the road, a 90 second battery swap and off for another 300 miles is faster than any Gas fueling ICE auto can do.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128364_hey-tesla-china-s-nio-has-completed-500-000-battery-swaps