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My great grandfather, grandfather and me with my great grandfather's Ford.

To Quote: According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there were 114,533 gas stations in the U.S. at the end of 2012, the last year for which data is available. Pretty much the West Coast Electric Highway has become the role model for what VW is doing in installing chargers all across America. http://westcoastgreenhighway.com/electrichighway.htm Then you also have the national map of charging stations and there are far more than most people think. https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=ELEC I posted in another thread that we have over 43,000 charge points across the US. 114,533 gas stations versus 43,011 public charge points and charge points will be growing massively.

That's basically what BMW did with the i3, at least in terms of power output, and it didn't work so well. They made the range so small that even with the gas regenerator there is range anxiety.

DRIVEN: 2019 Cadillac XT4 Premium Luxury AWD 2.0t, sticker north of 50 for sure HIGHS: -Pretty spot on size for compact class for Cadillac, this will be easy to park for urban dwellers or those who park in ramps. -A Cadillac with some personality, whoa. -Despite what you've read, this is actually a smooth engine, and it revs nicely. -I felt the acceleration was very good and more than I expected following reviews I've read. And the transmission really kicked down nicely when i needed it. -Very nice responsive steering. Perfect quickness and a very nice size steering wheel to work with. This wasn't a sport model yet to me this is sportier than so many other vehicles out there. -It's an all wheel drive vehicle, but you wouldn't have guessed during the drive. I didn't feel excessive weight or drag like on most AWD vehicles. The AWD may have been fully turned off but even then on other cars you still feel the car carrying around all the other stuff all the time. I didn't feel that here. Overall the chassis felt tight. -I feel very good cabin space front and rear for a compact class. Right size, I even had what i felt was decent elbow room -I felt the seat height and dash location was very good. I didn't feel like i was sitting up too high like a lot of CUV's but i still could get a nice leg extension for CUV comfort. -Really liked (and I didn't think I would) the dash layout. Gauges were nice, the chiclet buttons for climate i would eventually figure out what each was for but they are RIGHT there. The steering wheel buttons don't feel cheap even though there are a lot of them crammed in there. Dig the size and shape of the new shifter, and the knobs for multimedia behind the shifter initially seem helpful to cut down pawing at the dash for audio functions. The in dash screen is at a nice angle and doesn't dominate the dash like say, the 2020 Ford Explorer's. Overall I was very surprised that I didn't really take issue with any material quality inside. -No complaints on the front seats. I would always like to spend more time with them but initially they seemed supportive for even a bigger guy. -I think this is a vehicle that would appeal to the target market of younger women, if they can look past the badge, and if you can get them in the seat. -Overall, this vehicle has a much different feel than the milquetoast XT5 I drove immediately prior. Really its quite evident very quickly between the two how different they are when you get it on the road. -A really good vehicle for singles or DINK empty nesters, who won't be carting around a lot of extra people and stuff often. A good second vehicle for those who may already have another larger utility vehicle in the fold as well. LOWS: -Exhaust is loud, and I think this is what some reviewers perceive to be coarse powertrain. Admittedly I think Cadillac needs to tone down some of the exhaust sound and add some more sound deadening inside the cabin). "Luxury" does mean a certain level of tuning out noise levels and certain types of road noise. I won't classify it as egregious, just a bit different than what those shopping Cadillacs are used to hearing. -Car had good power but I hope to see them offer an optional state of tune of 300hp or so (and more mid range torque snap); the vehicle is spunky and more power available would really add to the aura of sportiness. -While I loved the steering, it's almost awesome, just asking for a bit more steering heft and weight to go with the quickness. -If i recall, the rear seat backrests don't recline, that should be something you'd expect in a 50k vehicle. -Shfter / console does tend to cut into your leg space more than it should I think. -GM still wants to push this shifter with an odd operation. I guess it just takes awhile to get used to, but I want to really know what the benefit is to it being different. -There are those that criticize the styling as either being too much like an old Ford Edge, or too much old school GM folds and creases. I would not call the XT4 sleek, I will say that. I wish the design was less safe, even though it's just fine. -Not having driven a lot of the competitors of this class of vehicle it is hard for me to know if it is really deficient in some areas like some reviews suggest or if it's just media bias. -Pricing is pretty ambitious, let's see what happens with that. Value is decent at lower MSRP's but like other GM's the pricing gets comical when they start adding a ton of stuff; then at that point there isn't good value there. -Be absolutely certain you don't want something larger than a compact class vehicle, especially if this is your daily driver and needs to serve all your passenger needs. SUMMARY I am usually pretty homer on GM stuff, so this was probably going to get a good review from me anyways, and I really do put out the disclaimer that I don't know what an X1 or XC40 is like. But to me I judge this in two significant ways. I think it could potentially appeal to younger women who take the chance to drive it (which is exactly what GM is hoping for), and I think some of GM's usual fan base.... I will be curious to see the reaction. I've already read some owner reviews of this vehicle on other websites and such and some typical Cadillac fans think its not posh like they are used to. I think the liveliness of the XT4 is something new for pedestrian Cadillacs and I think its a good direction that we shall see if it sticks. But I liked it well enough assuming lower trim spec and a careful control of the price. No letter grade here, I just enjoyed driving it, it was fun, i could live with it apart from overall usually just wanting a larger vehicle. Plenty of opportunities to fine tune little things as far as perceived refinement and maybe adding more power. Once they do that, I hope to see this do well in the market .

Like I said..take a plane. Take a train. But now...you are just trying to FIND a kink in the EV thing. Giving me hypothetical problems...that is why Im giving you hypothetical solutions... And...if you and your spouse WORKED ALL DAY... The BEST thing to do is NOT DRIVE AT ALL... You wouldnt want to endanger the lives of your kids while traveling...battery powered or gasoline powered. Driving while being tired AND on a stressed scheduled is just begging for disaster to strike. There is NEVER a good reason to put you, your loved ones and others in danger just for the sake of making "good time". That is why a plane ride is the way to go if you feel the need to get to where you are going in a limited amount of time. Money problems for taking a plane... You know what? Take a good night sleep and leave in the morning if you really need to drive...EV or not! But stretching out different scenarios to prove me wrong...like I said, in reality, it aint a problem unless you want it to be... And that is fine. It is your opinion for 45 minutes of charge up time too long for you. But in reality, it aint...

There's a big problem with that, and we've ALL seen Gov't projected end dates fail / get pushed back before. Look at cigarettes- lawmakers have been turning the screws on smoking for 60 YEARS - there's zero benefit to it other than some people have a preference for the habit. Why isn't it banned yet? Very difficult to do. And while it MAY work in a couple of countries and actually stick, it's not the way here. RE EVs- IMO the U.S. will NEVER ban IC vehicles. I actually do mean "never" on this one.

And what if you rock chip the glass? Windshield replacement? This tech stuff is gone too far. Do they even want to take away the human ability to perceive the rotsiton, entry, apex and departure of every curve in the road? Seems really video-gamey and not very driver friendly. If the car does all the work, are you really ever a driver?

oh HELL yes ~

^ Many valid points. • No doubt that 43K number does NOT include home units- I believe the idea in play here is 'fueling' while out- there is no 'anxiety' at the owner's home. • I agree that having a surplus of charging stations out & about goes a long way to reducing range anxiety and is nicely ahead of the sales curve. However I cannot help but to wonder- what if charging stations continue to expand at their admirable rate of installation, but EVs take another 20 years to get to just 5% of the market??

You are lucky! I never got to meet my grandparents on my dad's side. They past away before he even got married. I met my granddad on my mom's side twice, but he past away in Greece when I was 7 years old. I got to see him when I was 4 years old and 6 years old. I do remeber him at 4 years old and I remember him vivdly at 6. My kids, my dad died before my son was born, he was in his mom's belly. My daughter was 1 year old. Their other granddad died before my wife and I met. My mom past away almost 3 years ago. My daughter remembers her well. But not my son. The other grandma is doing well!!! Forget about great grandparents on both sides!!! That is remarkable Blu!!! I like that!!!

^ Awesome. I never got to meet any of my great grandparents, tho both of my sons knew 3 of theirs. My father's father passed in 2016, 6 weeks shy of turning 101. - - - - -

I like it...it gives Caddy purpose...and a actual direction to go into....

I could've sworn I predicted this back in November. That perhaps the death of the CT6, or change over of the CT6 was to make way for some sort of EV replacement.. and that Cadillac was preparing for a move to take on Tesla... that another large sedan is replacing it (CT6).. a full size vehicle, that is a direct competitor, but obviously more luxurious than the Model S, which unless U spend serious coin, has a very basic interior. The plan also called for a large majority of the upcoming GM EVs to be Cadillacs. If that plan is still in play.. with the only surprise for Cadillac upon the announcements laid out was the North American death of the aforementioned CT6.. it stands to reason that it is not the Germans, nor Lincoln that Cadillac is looking to emulate.. but Tesla? Difference being.. with the full force of a profitable GM, comprised of Chevy, Buick, GMC, and a plethora of Trucks and SUVs to fund this venture.. Cadillac's "Tesla" will be actually profitable from git.

Why does the new Explorer front end remind me of this? FORD FAMILY

There once was a time, a time when full sized family sedans were in nearly every driveway in America. During this time GM's Oldsmobile divison built a reputation for quality and performance on the name Eighty-Eight. Introduced in 1949, the Eighty-Eight was the least expensive of Oldsmobile's full size offerings for 50 years until the end of production in 1999. The following C&G Drive is on a 1988 model with the optional 3800 V6 As Dick Van Patten says so well in this 1986 commercial"Its the family car, that didn't forget the family" . My 1988 Delta 88 Royale has done just that, after nearly two decades of faithful service I can say this is one family car that didn't forget the family. First Impressions: Its a little hard to tell at first glance, to look past the worn paint, the tired chrome, that this car was once a looker. There is still a little shine left in the big chrome bumpers, a little class still in the miles of chrome that seem to wrap around the car, and the aura of pride, pride that is seen clearly in the bright read "Royale" emblem on the hood. The engine starts up right away dispite the every growing number on the odometer, a number that currently reads 334,594 miles. The doors close with a thunk that is missing from todays cars, the controls have a simple layout that unlike so many of todays cars do not require the owner to read the owners manual just to get to work in the morning. Interior: Plush. Everything and anything that can be covered in soft fabrics and velour is. The interior is accented with chrome and faux brushed aluminum that gives the car a classic yet still modern look. Standard power drivers seat is a huge plus allowing almost anyone to find a very comfortable position. The family car idea is very clear here with loads of room, a back seat that is big enough to house a small town, and a trunk that has vast space. Road noise is well controled and the controls are well placed. The dash is very much traditonal Olds with a very neat looking "Eighty Eight" emblem next to the idiot lights. Performance: Though power may not be something you associate with 88 Royale one may be in for quite the shock. The 3.8L "3800" V6 puts out 160hp. Though you won't set any land speed records ( Oldsmobile used the Aero Tech to do that) passing power on the highway as well as power from the stop light is effortless, all while returning fuel economy in the mid to upper 20's. This means that when junor is late for practice, not only will the family car that didn't forget the family get him there on time, it also means that ma and pa don't have to stop for gas on the way. Quality: What can you say for a car with over 300,000 mile? Oldsmobile put this thing together right the first time and it shows. Even after 300,000 miles the body gaps are consistant, the car still idles smooth, and the fuel economy has not fallen off. Delta 88 will give any Toyota, Honda, or Nissan and spanking int he engineering department. Even after 300,000 miles the Delta 88 Royale is yet to fail an emissons test. With all the money you saved on repair bills and fuel, looks like someone is getting a few extra gifts under the tree. Yet one more way the family car didn't forget the family. Over all: If you enjoy big car ride and comfort with power and quality all around the 88 is a must have. Test Car Specs: Year: 1988 Make: Oldsmobile Model: Delta 88 Royale 4 dr sedan Miles: 334,594 Optional Equiptment: LN3 3800 V6 White wall tires* *Car currently sports blackwalls. Major Repairs: Transmisson Rebuild 160,000 miles (1999) New Exhuast system 323,000 miles (2006)

Here's yet another to-be likely scenario. You're buzzing along on a multi-hour trip in your EV pod, chilluns in the back, vehicle is blinking 'low volts', you buzz into a charging station and all the chargers are full. Now, vs. a fuel station where you may wait 5 or even 10 mins for a pump to open up and fuel in 3, you may wait 30-45 mins for a charger then another 45 mins to charge. You just spent an hour & a half in a 'dirty, buzzing' charging station. I'd blow my brains out if I had to sit at a fuel station that long. At the 15 min mark.

Closer to a 4 hour trip...but that 3 hour statement was to make a...point....in a jokingly fashion. But there was a point being made... Point being, when traveling, 4-5-6-7 hours by car. Its exactly THAT...4-5-6-7 hours on the road. If you are in a hurry. Travel by airplane. If you dont want the hassles of stopping to pee, or charging up...travel by train... If you take the bloody time to travel by car...4-5-6-7 hours, you invest 4-5-6--7 hours of your life on the road....45 minutes to pee and/or to charge up/fuel up is a NON-ISSUE! You could make up all kinds of deterrents in your head, in reality, there are none! THAT is the point. Where do you need to go and that quickly for 250 miles that a 45 minute piss stop or charge up would be an issue for you? You are already on the road for 4-5-6-7 hours...obviously an extra 45 minutes to piss, or to charge up aint a big deal... You could make into a big deal deterrent, I suppose. But it really aint!

What is this... Encyclopedia Britannica? War & Peace? Aaaand... who said it was a 3 hour trip?

Im one of those people that think the switch to EVs (in some parts of North America) will happen quicker than we think. (places like Alberta or Texas where they make their $$$ with oil, much much later) With that being said, only time will tell what will happen with this EV revolution. There are several factors though that will push this thing through whether Lancaster Penns. natives, Albertans and Texans like it or not. Different countries around the world have already set a date where new ICE vehicles will no longer be able to be sold and eventually banned completely from their roads These countries that have done that, the major car manufacturers of the world all sell their cars there. There is one country in particular that has done this, and its the biggest car market in the world forcing all car makers to abide by this ban because all major world car makers want a piece of that Chinese car selling pie Because all the major world car makers wanting that piece of Chinese car selling pie, it seems that these car makers are shoving EVs down our throats. They kind of have no choice either, because that is where the $$$ are. But...its not ONLY all the major world car makers that are shoving EVs down our throats, but the countries that havent yet banned ICE vehicles yet, its only a matter of time before they also do. So, once again, all world car makers do not really have a choice in the matter... In other words, whether Lancaster Penns. natives, Albertans and Texans want them or not, EVs are the next wave of transportation methods for the masses. Even if it takes 20 years to make up 5% in the US, at least the infrastructure will be there. And the people that have bought EVs, well, there wont be waiting in line to charge up like how it is now because too many people need batteries charged and not enough stations to accomodate. But...there are engineers that are trying to invent cordless charging/charging while driving.. So...maybe all those charging stations might become overkill??? Not for the 20 years to attain 5% market share angle, but because technology evolves and improves. And what if hydrogen becomes a thing?

True. But, a 250 mile road trip is what...3 hour drive? You are speeding doing that trip in 3 hours so you will probably get stopped by the authorities. Where do you need to go and need to do to be driving that fast, bro???!!! SLOW THE ? DOWN!!! With that being said, a 250 mile trip... SCREW THAT!!! Ive got a Bolt...I need to see my cousin in Boston...(for real, I actually DO have an American (Greek) cousin in Boston. He is a pure Bostonian, accent and all!!!) It aint an emergency because Id FLY there. Take a plane... So...an ICE car gets me to Boston in 5 hours. Like in 5 hours flat WITHOUT speeding (well, carefully planned speeding) If Id roll the with the speed limits it would really take me 5 hours and 35-45 minutes...) All the cars that I have ever owned and driven down to Boston, I had enough gas to get there but Id have to gas up soon after arriving in the city. Like in the city...not aroung city limits, but in the city. When I was single, I NEVER stopped, did that drive DIRECT! Ive been to Boston with the family once and been to Toronto (same distance and time as Boston give or take) once and both times, the wife AND/OR the kids MADE ME STOP TWICE...you know, for bathroom breaks and for snacks...a loss of about 30-45 minutes...or an addition to traveling time... So...a 250 mile trip, or a 300 mile trip...in an EV...one DOES have to make a stop for charging JUST before the destination's city's limits to charge up for another 100% so one does not run out of battery...TRUE!!! About 45 minute delay... But as you can see...being married and traveling with the family...I NEVER have been able to do such a trip non-stop anyway...so...FOR ME...MOOT POINT... I have to stop to pee and eat BBQ chips anyway...charging up aint no big deal...and since the charging network is being beefed up, using a Bolt...will not be a problem finding a charging station... But...if Im traveling with my family...why in the hell am I traveling in such a small car? Id take a Tesla Model 3 or Tesla Model S or better yet, the Tesla Model X over the Chevy Bolt for sure...and if that is the case...250 miles could maybe even be done REACHING the 250 mile destination without stopping...but impossible knowing my wife and kids would want to stop to pee anyway!!! All that just to say, when traveling, especially for fun...what is the damned hurry anyway???!!! But even traveling for business, EVs have come along way even in the short time you and I discussed this EV thing 3 years ago...NO EXCUSES NOW... Oh...you can find weakness still, in 2019...but I doubt you will find these weaknesses in 2021...

Based on that one CGI image, it could ONLY be super annoying. If you need neon green arrows to flash at you in order to execute a turn right in front of you in broad daylight, you should not be licensed to drive.

Not saying you 'said anything' - just a general response to those who've damned GM for the same thing. Goose/gander, right?

How HEARTLESS; right when employees' holiday credit card bills will hit! BOYCOTT JLR; no public company should EVER fire a SINGLE employee!!! ?

Fantastic on the pic and old Fords both.

Everyone seems to forget about the charging stations owners of EVs have at home Or do those 43 000 charging points INCLUDE the EV owner's garage? So, technically, if those 43 000 charging stations do not include home charge ports then there are more charging stations than 43 000... And this is where it truly becomes interesting... Because if EV charging stations on public Streets and private businesses make up for 25% of all fueling stations of any kind for only 2% of market share, then that means that the governments and EV makers are indeed getting ready for an all EV market pretty darned soon...so we North Americans are ready to buy and use EVs... Also, another point of view that I thought about, is that to once and for all, eliminate this non-starter/non-issue range anxiety thing that seems to be pushed by the anti-EV movement. The more charging stations there are, the less that argument holds true. So...43 000 for only 2%. But both numbers will grow. Its best to be ahead of the game with charging stations than behind the 8 ball... And...again, charging your EV at home eliminates any negative argument about charging networks...because if you charge at home before leaving your house, you start with a full charge and full driving range until you need to charge up again for another 300 or so miles... 300 miles... Distance between Boston and Montréal equals to approx 307 miles... Distance between NYC and Boston equals to approx 214 miles... Distance between Tornto and Montréal equals to approx 336 miles Distance between San Francisco and Los Angleles equals to approx 383 miles Distance between Los Angeles and Las Vegas equals to approx 270 miles Distance between Dallas and Houston equals to approx 239 miles Interesting indeed. When Ive heard all the anti-EV arguments regarding range and charging stations. Alls I see, now that the charging network is beefing up and all the people involved in the EV world (governments and EV makers and all that) are making all the necessary moves to make the transition to EVs from ICE as smooth as possible, to be ready when GM, Ford, M-B, Volvo, Tesla and all others gives us an onslaught of EVs to choose from, then we will see what Joe Public really wants. Does Joe public want EVs? Or does he want ICE? Because as I see it, there are no more excuses and arguments and discussions... Everything will be in place for an EV transition. A variety of EVs will be offered. A charging network in place. Battery even at 300 miles is a non-issue and that will go up soon enough. Fast charging times at more stations will be coming soon too... But will the people flock to them? Interesting indeed!!!

Escala all the things!

Exactly. Ghosn first and everyone loyal/not Japanese to follow.

Wait did I read that right? CHARGERS ACROSS AMERICA? Yes of course, just as I envisioned. One platform for every purpose. Could it be that GM is actually studying how Power Wheels does things, and not Tesla? A common chassis, and just drop a silhouette on top? Wow, so much excitement, and individuality is in store./not

So maybe Johann got the CT6 and hot vee blackwing motor approved and then was told they were scrapping it. Maybe he had an Escala type CT7 in play. And maybe then he got the news that the new mob at GM wanted to axe it all. Probably said screw this and bye. Meanwhile Cadillac has to stretch an XT5 into an XT6 to hope for some sales volume. Have to sell some crossovers in order to raid the coffers to fund electrics. There are gas stations every few miles off the interstate. Would really like to see what the plan is for adding dozens of electric chargers at every Holiday and Qwik Trip before they put all these new electrics on sale. Shouldn’t the chargers be in place when they want to sell the cars ?

I've always wondered what the fancy ones with the LED light piping cost. That price is highway robbery. I got new headlight clusters for the Honda for less than $100 each off eBay and they fit and worked perfectly.

or perhaps we can figure when exactly and what exactly the global charging and power supply infrastructure will be, roll it out and have it in place for that EV we are all going to buy. Any chance we can carry a spare battery in case the one on the car dies?

Saw a new Ranger today...crew cab 4x4 in that orange/gold color in front of the showroom of the local Ford dealer..looks good.

Any new tech, especially EV tech, should start with Cadillac. This is a wise move by GM. I just hope they don’t neglect the ICE side of things.

And is this platform at the expense of other Cadillac ICE vehicle platforms that people will actually buy. It should be in addition.

Given how good Cadillacs look and how bad the Bolt looks, this should be good news for GM's electric program.

I can fit into a model X and look fine but unlike the BOLT where I can leave the seat as is and get into the back still and sit for short trips, the Tesla X only has about 3 inches of leg room from the back of the front seat to the back seat cushion. No one can really sit behind me. I was very suprised by this, I will say, I was sold on the Tesla X when I test drove it, it is wicked fast even in base model and so smooth to drive. The whole can I fit in the front and get out and sit in the back is why I am so excited about the Rivian and Atlis EVs. Something that can handle big people.

Yes, I have never really even as a Teen fit well in cars. Just to damn big Was 2016 when I was able to fit in the production BOLT at the Seattle Auto Show.

The most technologically advanced, fast, efficient, capable, minimal maintenance, and free fillups availabe..... all in one package. No ICE powered car can match that.

"luxury powertrain" - what does that even mean? :P

Definitely. The luxury is all in the powertrain, not in the interior.

Today was my first time seeing one of these on the road