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Some folk like flat asses tho. ?

It's not a 'short term trend', folks; it's a market shift. And it's been the better part of 50 years in the making. Trucks/SUVs are 72% of the USDM and still rising. Sedans WILL continue to bleed marketshare. GM & Ford are simply conceding their portion of the 'whip socket segment' to the japanese (who are already madly SUV/CUV heavy, too). Recall when an SUV in the U.S. only meant the BOF / V8 Explorer or Tahoe?? Once CUVs met sedans in pricing, size & MPG, all the while providing better interior room/capacity, it was game over for sedans. Jeep went from 63K sales in 1982 to 973K in 2018. The oh-so-desireable honda accord has lost 42% of it's volume in only 5 years. I don't know what more telling/damning evidence anyone would require than that. GM & Ford are absolutely doing long-term thinking here.

Has FCA not learned that nobody in the USA wants a FIAT 500 (regardless of trim level)?!

GXP - the best iteration of the last Bonne. Still a great looking car. Now we have to look at disjointed shit like this:

Grand total of 2,076 Fiat 500X sold in the first three quarters of this year.

for a rental I got a Mitsubishi Outlander Sport (RVR in Canada) with about 200 miles on the odo. the target buyer is your weird aunt who always called herself ‘the fun aunt’ when you were 11 because she’s 44 but says she looks 41, unmarried, says words like ‘groovy’ , funky’ and ‘kiddo’ and always takes you to applebees for appy hour for some belated birthdate you had a week and a half ago. the aunt whose name your mom would slowly sigh out after hanging up another phone call where the subjects shifted between dried ovaries, outdated match.com profile photos, gravity’s toll and questioning why that nice boy way back in grade 12 never called again, while your dad sat at the kitchen table staring stone faced at the newspaper knowing if he made one smart remark, he’d be hit with it. she was on a tuesday evening date with a divorced 47-year old beergut named richie who drives the shuttle for an automall, and the sales manager at the mitsu dealer promised richie a $100 gift card to montana’s for each successful referral. your aunt jumped at the chance for a second date to ride richie’s short bus around the dealerships all day. unfortunately, richie interpreted ‘ride richie’s short bus’ incorrectly on the second date, so your aunt was promptly dropped off in front of a shiny Mitsubishi Outlander Sport. she loved how ‘it looks like a little truck’ and couldn’t believe the giant sunroof. a sales rep upon seeing an actual person on the lot, thought she was lost opening the door, the old navy yoga pants on aunt’s diminishing derrière slid onto the cheap, plasticky leather seating, her chunky jewelry-laden hands running along hard, hollow, textured plastics, leaving fingerprints on the sparse piano black plastic accents. ‘ooooh i can fit all my girlfriends in this for a road trip’ exclaimed your aunt to the sales rep, who silently doubted the plural in girlfriends as he looked at the decent interior space that welcomed nobody. as if by magic, the radio is tuned to 95.9 SPLASH FM, ‘WITH TRIX AND THE CHIX,‘ and shania is belting out on speakers tinnier than the discman headphones you had when she was popular. unable to see over the exaggerated hood and rear quarter panels, your aunt doesn’t care because the outlander allegedly has four wheel drive, so even snow won’t stop her from safely getting to her administrative job at the caster wheel wholesaler. in just a few short hours, the young finance guy who politely yet deftly ignored any ‘is there a missus todd?’ questions has put your aunt in the outlander for 72 months at just a little over $100 a week. now your aunt has plenty of hatchback to put bumper stickers like ‘I got crabs in Maryland’ and ‘Caution: Blonde Driving,’ and you’ll appreciate the last one because the mitsu’s handling isn’t good and feels disconnected from the road. the cvt makes the engine seem lazy, devoid of pep and drive. like your aunt, the mitsubishi outlander sport just... exists. it pleases no one even if it’s trying and it makes you feel bad.

This sounds more like a review of your Aunt rather than the Outlander Sport....

^ 1965 was a very good year for GM styling across the board..

The CT5's trunk is anything but huge, it's 11.9 cubic feet. For reference, a Corolla's trunk is 13.0 cubic feet. More appropriately; C Class trunk volume: 12.6 cubic feet E Class trunk volume: 13.1 cubic feet 3 Series trunk volume: 17.0 cubic feet 5 Series trunk volume: 14.5-18.7 cubic feet Audi A4 trunk volume: 13.0 cubic feet Audi A6 trunk volume: 13.7 cubic feet

I generally don't like Ford truck styling since 1997, but this DDR Concepts Lightning is sweet...I like the cleaned up front end.

I see a Palissade Hyundai, and I dont think about Cadillac. I think about a certain 1960s tune. And that tune reminds me of clowns, and I, in turn think about how clowny the Hyundai Palissade is...

There is a weirdly modified Custom Cruiser of that era around here I see occasionally...black, with a padded top covering the back side windows, dark window tint, blue headlights, custom wheels and big tires, very loud exhaust, big hood scoop...

I liked these. I didn't love them. So, then, today I saw the last rendition of Olds' Custom Cruiser full size wagon. It was white. Couldn't get a photo. It was in very good condition. This model was only run for 1991 and 1992. That meant I was looking at a 27 or 28 year old RWD vehicle that the years had been kind to. The front end is cool. The rear third is a little on the bloated side. They kept the old school square front fascia all the way through 1990. I was driving and couldn't look at the interior but, wow, this looks like a nicely crafted interior that's quite a few notches above a base GM offering in wagons of that era. There's the vista roof treatment that Olds used to use quite extensively in wagons. I'm guessing V8s of the 5.0 (307) or 5.7 (350) variety, hopefully produced by Oldsmobile Motor Division.

Drive it like you stole it!! Just get it back with 4 wheels still intact. ?

I could see that jumping ship as soon as they knew AWD wasn't available. In a way, it says people DO like sedans. In a way, you're advocating the qualities of a boulevardier type sedan. I'm with you on this. I'd like to see ample leg and head room front and back, a nice usable trunk without a mail slot as a trunk lid, and even more formal (more notchback like) looks, if they can be made to be aerodynamic and fetch the needed mpg. I think today's fastback styling on sedans compromises visibility and, for me, that takes away from both the sense of control and the pleasure of driving.

My point and @balthazar is that Cadillac has had the distinctive vertical LED light piping design cue front and back for over a decade and no other manf. has gone there until now with Hyu/Kia Palisade and K5. To your own point Cadillac has been doing it for 7 years in the front.

2008+ CTS. I had a White Diamond 2013 CTS-V Coupe (first pic) so I know first hand what it had. With the 2014 CTS it was more defined and went further up the fender, but the large headlight fixture had the long vertical LED light bar from bumper to top of fender in 2008. It's a distinctive Cadillac design cue long before the CT4 and CT5. Super aerodynamic in reverse though! ?

It's not a losing proposition if they were losing money on making those cars. You can't make it up on volume.

EXCITEMENT!

Those don't even sell at reputable brands.

The aspect many are copying Cadillac is linear light piping trailing out of the headlight/tailight cluster. Very distinctive and like USA-1 stated, goes back over a decade now.

I had a fun Aunt, one of my Dad's sisters...never had kids, married 3 times. A really nice lady. She always drove Buicks..

Can’t disagree with that. https://www.motor1.com/news/95302/pontiac-rageous/ Time to bring back the Pontiac Rageous! Not a sedan. Not an suv!

I just found out that it's had AWD basically the whole time.

I really don't. And absolutely, the CT cars definitely look better, I just don't see a resemblance. Also, the LED curling up the fender was already designed by Kia before the CT5 was released.. It wasn't something they threw together in the last 2-3 months.

Then they are screwed for their short-sightedness. Basically Ford, GM and FCA are giving the mainstream FWD sedan market in the US to the Japanese and Korean companies. Incompetence and short-term thinking because of the current CUV fad. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai and Kia aren't getting out of the mainstream sedan market and will own it in NA. Then again, incompetence and short-term thinking is nothing new for the Detroit automakers....

That is really sad. What if the whole CUV/SUV trend gets crushed? Where will the sedans from GM come in? As we all know, no trend lasts forever.

I don't think there are going to be any sedans from GM outside of Cadillac in a few years? The ones left will be Cadillac with their sports car/convertible size trunks.

Fugly POS car! ??

Angus beef is still my fav. grilled animal, grew up on a farm where we raised our own grass fed beef, nothing better. A T-bone or NY Strip grilled medium with taters on the side please!

Sells all day long at $55k if they make that a crossover coupe.

^ True dat; opening was quite decent. But the prior car was a K- Body, not X.

ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU DON'T LIKE FISH?

Except... the bustleback Seville's lid was actually pretty long, it just had its kink toward the top of the lid, not the bottom, the actual opening was not that tiny. And it lost .5 cu ft trunk space v. the previous X-body based car (14.4 v. 14.9 cu ft).

Corolla? LMAO! Relax dude, I was giving @dfelt a hard time. It's called friendly banter.

@riviera74 Helllllooooooo Baby! This is the Big Bopper speakin'. Im here to tell ya that you should um...get ready to dust off your Old Glory, because you promised me... Tesla is just about there...being an American Icon!!! And if Tesla succeeds in building a factory in Germany to build Teslas and zee Germans buy Teslas... There is no need for Tesla to outsell Toyota and GM. In other words, Tesla does not need to become the world's biggest car maker. Hell, Tesla does not need to become the word's largest car maker now, EV or otherwise. But you should be proud, that if Tesla gains ground in Germany by having SOME market share in Germany by having Germans build and buy Teslas over VW and Audi, BMW and Mercedes...boy...that be something, right? Tesla is rocking those Germans like a HURRICANE!!!

Pretty much the same size as the Renegade that it shares a platform with. And it's already been here for a few years, this is just an update.

When Cadillac went to this design is when I went SUV. To me, that is what I see Kia has done with their trunk, killed the opening with a stupid look like this.

So car and driver had a new comparison test up for all wheel drive Altima vs all wheel drive legacy. Also toyota just announced that Camry will be available with AWD for 2020. I remember from my 2019 Malibu test drive the sales guy said that lots of people as soon as they found out AWD was not available on Malibu they went to the equinox. Do you think this new focus on AWD on midsize sedans May boost that market and should Chevy also offer an AWD midsize sedan to compete.

That detail and the C-pillar quarter window shape kind of remind me of the MXZ.

I too think that the trunk looks too ... truncated. It needs some more length back there. But yea Ocn, you're right that the cutline does to up into what is meant to look like window.

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