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Completely understandable. They honestly just make more sense with the added space for a car that will get the same mpg and basically cost the same...but you get more room. I love the hatch design. I don't agree with only offering a premium trim level, unless it is just a first year thing like Surreal suggested, because they will make it unattainable for some in a class of vehicle that was once marketed around the cheap and affordable.

What about tailgate down? I think you'd need the measurement from the front of the front wheel to the "wheelbase" measurement of the rear to make sure it'll fit. Sounds like it might be pretty tight. But anytime I've loaded a bike in a bed we put the front wheel in one of the front corners so it's kindof wedged in there real tight and also gives you some extra room. Also, it will be a bastard to load that heavy bike up into an Avalanche.

How long is the bike and how long is the bed?

It's premature to assume these things until we see what it comes with standard. "It should be noted that the hatchback isn't offered in the base L or LS trims like the sedan. The more apt comparison would the Cruze LT sedan which begins at $20,695. Comparing the prices of the LT models sees a difference of $1,495." You're definitely right but that sucks that you're again forced into a package if you want a hatch. A lot of people like the added space and ability of a hatch and you have to pony up a few grand more for Chevy's as opposed to those others listed. Not everybody wants or can afford the creature comforts but need the space of a hatch.

I'm at work but I'm streaming live from Ford's on board cameras. It's pretty awesome.

I didn't realize back in the day Ford started 8 GT's in one race. That's a lot of cars.

Me either..

One day you'll grow up. Sadly you're old enough where you might not. So maybe you won't grow up... *shrugs shoulders*

You really don't know anything about the series and you just sound ignorant. Regardless of how perfect a car is the series will level the field by pulling power, adding weight and vise versa for the competition so it doesn't really matter how great a car is because the series is aimed at a competitive racing otherwise it would be like watching F1 where the same team wins/leads at every track. It might switch from year to year but like this year Mclaren Mercedes is winning just about everything(if they don't take each other out). And because you don't follow the sport, it's pretty obvious your intentions in this thread. Not to actually discuss the topic but to try and bash a brand(the same one you do at every turn). Follow the sport and don't look like a douche next time.

Wow that sounds a little pricey to me.. This is still a compact car. Focus Hatch: $19,015 Mazda 3: $18,545 Golf: $20,175 Forte5: $18,090 Elantra GT: $18,800 Impreza Hatch: $18,795

"This year’s Garage 56 entry, the No. 84 SRT41 by OAK Racing, is a Morgan LMP2 modified for a quadruple amputee to share with two drivers, perSportscar365. While Garage 56 is a one-car class for innovative cars, the No. 84 ran faster than two of the regular LMP2s with a 3:45.178. " http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/first-le-mans-qualifying-session-puts-a-sandbag-free-fo-1782063033 (Thanks to Bong for the link) Then I had to look up the car/driver because hearing quadruple amputee sprung my attention. This was last October: "Quadruple amputee Frederic Sausset will take part in next year’s 24 Hours of Le Mans as a Garage 56 entrant, with his “SRT 41” program having been formally launched this week in France. (En Français) Sausset, who lost all four limbs following a bacterial infection in 2012, will team with Christophe Tinseau and a third, yet-to-be-confirmed driver in a specially adapted Morgan LMP2 car that’s received the backing of a number of influential players in the sport. “It’s been a long road since July 2012,” Sausset told Endurance-Info. “The accident was a traumatic experience for me, my family and relatives. We had to take on all of that." http://sportscar365.com/lemans/lemans24/quad-amputee-sausset-launches-2016-garage-56-entry/ Really freakin' awesome that this is a thing. Congrats to him and his team to even making the field let alone running some good lap times. Not overall competitive but they aren't the slowest in their class.

Super low considering it'd be a low run option on a low run car on a car that hasn't sold all that well to begin with.

Honestly, I think they all 'bagged a little. Its the nature of the game when you have "on the fly" adjustments to the fastest cars to slow them down. That's one reason NASCAR is such a great form of auto racing. There is none of that going on. To try and single out one manufacture/team and not look at the whole picture of how the sport just "is" is a little near sighted. Ferrari, Ford, and Vette were all forced to make changes this week. This kind of thing literally happens every week/event in this series to try and keep as level playing field as possible.

Yup, the Corvettes were sandbagging. That was the tactic to get a BOP change in their favor.Ya... That's why the Corvette and every other maker in the class got breathing and/or ballast reductions...including frickin' Ferrari.The ACO doesn't like being made to look foolish. Neither does Audi. We shall see how this plays out, but having your boost cut back throughout your effective racing rev range AND adding ballast? That's a pretty good slap. Corvette's initial BoP adjustment.http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/news/a29574/corvette-racing-is-not-impressed-with-performance-adjustments-at-le-mans/ Ferrari gained weight. 55lbs. "On the Ferrari side, its new twin-turbo V8 488 was met with the opposite treatment as its boost was left alone in favor of reducing its pace through bolting an extra 25 kilos (55 pounds) to the three Prancing horses that qualified P3-5-6."[/size] WTF are you even reading? Ok, I'll retract my Ferrari comment and double down on the sandbagging one:http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/first-le-mans-qualifying-session-puts-a-sandbag-free-fo-1782063033 ...everybody knew. They used a carbon tub in a produc Per your link... "Its sister No. 64 Corvette was the second slowest in LM GTE Pro. Another conspiracy theory posits that the Corvettes are saving their true pace for later in order to force Balance of Performance changes for the Fords. Adjust those tin-foil berets, folks, and welcome to Le Mans week." I can tell you don't follow the sport because if you had been this has been a discussion amongst EVERY team holding back prior t even coming to Le Mans because everybody wants to have as much advantage as they can.

Check out the skills on this safety car driver!

Yup, the Corvettes were sandbagging. That was the tactic to get a BOP change in their favor. Ya... That's why the Corvette and every other maker in the class got breathing and/or ballast reductions...including frickin' Ferrari.The ACO doesn't like being made to look foolish. Neither does Audi. We shall see how this plays out, but having your boost cut back throughout your effective racing rev range AND adding ballast? That's a pretty good slap. Corvette's initial BoP adjustment. http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/news/a29574/corvette-racing-is-not-impressed-with-performance-adjustments-at-le-mans/ Ferrari gained weight. 55lbs. "On the Ferrari side, its new twin-turbo V8 488 was met with the opposite treatment as its boost was left alone in favor of reducing its pace through bolting an extra 25 kilos (55 pounds) to the three Prancing horses that qualified P3-5-6." WTF are you even reading?

There was zero mention of sandbagging in that article. If you would please point out the part where they mention sandbagging. If you're referring to them running ver quick laps then the Ferrari 488 and Corvettes all had BoP changes this week reducing speed and just yesterday they gave a little back to the Vettes. Really? That's actually really cool!

I think it's pretty safe to say it's just a lower PSI in that rpm range. No way would they only allow boost over 7000rpm and heck, I don't even know if that's possible to even do. Plus, there is no way the turbo mill makes enough power if you eliminated the turbos to keep pace with anything.

I didn't realize one team could field 4 cars. I saw a little article the other day highlighting the drivers and the new program and whatnot but I didn't realize they could run so many cars.

Lovely bike Drew! Motoplex by my house sells Yamaha, Indian, BMW bikes and has a great selection of used also. Here is their used listing, http://www.motoplex.net/s/search/inventory/availability/In%20Stock/usage/Used/type/Street%20Bikes/type/Cruiser~~V-Twin/sort/best-match Here is their listing of Indian, You might like the black Dark Horse bike. http://www.northsoundindianmotorcycle.net/s/search/inventory/ Over all, I have to say I like the selection of bikes at Motoplex. http://www.motoplex.net/index.htm Those prices on the few that I'm fairly knowledgeable seem outrageous. 7k for a 2007 GSXR1000 w/ 19,200 miles on it.. Just sounds high to me. When it was brand new in 2007 it was probably only like 12k back then. Then a 2013 CBR250 with 12,200 miles for 4k... a brand spankin new CBR300F is 4k and a CBR300R is 4,400. Oh and a new CBR250R is only 4200

Wow that's really awesome you gave everything away to those who need it rather than the people who sound like they were trying to screw you over because they probably thought you'd just be too lazy to come pick it up. Good for you, Olds! V8s do just sound great!

I can't ever see me commuting on the bike unless I was leaving from the office to go somewhere on a trip. I only go into the office one day a week now, partially because the commute is so bad. I'd be walking the bike for half of it.. To otherwise answer your question... I'm not sure. I love getting out on the open road for a while even in my Toronado. Probably mostly 1 - 3 hour jaunts. I'd like to take longer trips too. I do want to be able to put side bags on whatever I get in case I want to do an overnight somewhere, but I would not want to leave them on permanently. Edit: I intend to buy a full face helmet, so I never really thought about a fairing. Fairing really does play a major role in more than just your face. Maybe try looking at the sport touring route. My dad has a Honda ST1300(it's a little dated now as all of the others have been updated) and it's freakin great. The Kawi Concours 14 is a badass touring bike. It'll legitimately hang with a lot of the sporty bikes and then you have luxury at your fingertips/butt as well. Adjustable windscreen and air vents for if you want more of less air on you, they make heated everything for it in the aftermarket along with power outlets for phone/gps/radio. Get a rear trunk and your space is almost endless and it gives your partner a backrest which is very reassuring if you've ever ridden on the back of a bike(I did it once and will never again.. I didn't like the lack of control). You can get cruise control.. Again, after doing a little more reading the Yamaha FJR1300 has a lot of insane stuff standard; Cruise control, adjustable seat height(without tools), multi-level power modes, traction control, lean-angle LED sensitive lighting to see through curves at night, heated grips... so many things that are pretty gnarly.

I should probably ask what kind of riding do you plan on doing? Taking trips kind of thing? or more or less shorter 1hr jaunts here and there sometimes w/ and sometimes w/o a partner? Commuting(oh yeah you work at home now!!)? I ask because FAP brought up a great point w/ the fairing situation.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about keeping up with anybody. If they are riding at a pace that's too fast for you then you're into felony territory anyway... even if it's just hustling around the back roads. Similar to what Scout said, I'd go sit on a bunch of bikes that you think look good and go from there. I'm not going to say don't let looks sell or don't sell the bike because you want to look at your bike and love it still. Holy $h!! a two-stroke 750?!?! That's one gnarly bike!

Well the Streetfighter is a badass bike.. to legitimately keep up with that you'd also need a lot of bike and about the only ones that would truly keep pace with the Streetfighter. if driven balls out, are the I4's like the GSX750, Z800, or even more so the 1050 in the Speed Triple. What's you dad have???