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So I understand there will be no 2009 model year Saturn Astra due to an almost complete lack of sales for the 2008. A model designated as a 2010 will be released sometime in the spring with a few new colors. Sad that a Saturn small car, which the brand was built upon back in the day, is now put so far on the back burner because of a total lack of buyer interest. Yeah, GME will be the saviour of GM... I think not.
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So I understand there will be no 2009 model year Saturn Astra due to an almost complete lack of sales for the 2008. A model designated as a 2010 will be released sometime in the spring with a few new colors. Sad that a Saturn small car, which the brand was built upon back in the day, is now put so far on the back burner because of a total lack of buyer interest. Yeah, GME will be the saviour of GM... I think not.

Well we can't save every North American brand, we are too busy saving Buick now, with all those wonderful EP IIs. The W car of thr 21st century, :smilewide:

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Well we can't save every North American brand, we are too busy saving Buick now, with all those wonderful EP IIs. The W car of thr 21st century, :smilewide:

LOL...

I fear for Buick then, given your recent track record...

Catera did NOTHING for Cadillac, L Series did nothing for Saturn... Then an entire line up of Opels did nothing for Saturn. looks like Buick is in trouble.

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So I understand there will be no 2009 model year Saturn Astra due to an almost complete lack of sales for the 2008. A model designated as a 2010 will be released sometime in the spring with a few new colors. Sad that a Saturn small car, which the brand was built upon back in the day, is now put so far on the back burner because of a total lack of buyer interest. Yeah, GME will be the saviour of GM... I think not.

And just think, this is GME's 'most fabulous product'

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Catera did NOTHING for Cadillac, L Series did nothing for Saturn... Then an entire line up of Opels did nothing for Saturn. looks like Buick is in trouble.

To be fair, the Catera was half assed and we didn't even get the good engines. We got the engine Europe didn't want.

The L-series was never really marketed.

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To be fair, the Catera was half assed and we didn't even get the good engines. We got the engine Europe didn't want.

The L-series was never really marketed.

I know... But keep in mind that EVERYTHING GM does is half assed... So that makes my point all the more relevant.

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I know... But keep in mind that EVERYTHING GM does is half assed... So that makes my point all the more relevant.

True

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The Astra failed here because it has no sedan/coupe body style, has no performance model (Red Line), and looks too odd for most. With the GTI/Rabbit/Jetta you have a larger model/body choice, more engines, and looks that aren't strange from most angles.

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The Astra failed here because it has no sedan/coupe body style, has no performance model (Red Line), and looks too odd for most. With the GTI/Rabbit/Jetta you have a larger model/body choice, more engines, and looks that aren't strange from most angles.

And non existent marketing.

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Well we can't save every North American brand, we are too busy saving Buick now, with all those wonderful EP IIs. The W car of thr 21st century, :smilewide:

Considering you did exactly the opposite of saving Saturn, you're "saving" of Buick is basically a bunch of fluff at the moment.

I don't think too many people want a repeat of the W car... perhaps you do, but not most.

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For my two cents, if GM had brought the Astra sedan over as well as better and wider engine spread and options choices, it would have done better.

The Astra is one of the best if not THE best looking car in the segment.

Plus, having driven it, it is also the best driving, most expensive feeling small car available in the U.S. and I am not counting the A3 with it.

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I'd make the argument of "W" (also known as GM10) as being the last time GM attempted to capture the lightning-in-a-bottle it had found in '79 with the X-Car program and the success it had recently (at that time) tasted with the high volume Chevy Celebrity. Still see a number of Celebrities running around out there and the Pontiac sister-ship the 6000. The STE was a personal favorite of mine. Loved the piquant and flatulent sound of the STE exhaust-note.

The Fisher Body plant in New Jersey where I was employed at the time made encapsulated glass, seat-adjusters, tavern-styled door handles and a plethora of decorative and functional moldings for the slew of W-Cars which GM built in the late '80s and early '90s. By the time the 6th Generation W/Grand Prix and associates were coming into existence my home-plant was nearly shuttered. It survived as a temporary shelter/warehouse for the thousands upon thousands of electric seat adjusters built out in the waning days of it's life span.

GM's Fisher Body (Ternstedt Division) plant on Parkway Avenue in Ewing Township, New Jersey: Born 1938 Died 1998. Leaving behind many family members and a host of people in that Community to remember 'her'.

During World War II, the Plant became part of Eastern Aircraft and built the Grumman Avenger torpedo-bomber (ironically, an aircraft of this type was flown during that war by George Herbert Walker Bush, our 41st President) employing nearly 6000 souls at it's zenith.

Lest we forget, the Grand Prix (W body) was Motor Trend's COTY. So, in 21 model years since, see how much the Industry's evolved. Lots of friends and relatives had the 5th Generation Grand Prix. In spite of me. My brother-in-law traded-in his '86 T-topped beauty GP for the '89 coupe with a digi-dash (which failed 3 weeks out-of-the-box) and kept it for 8 years. It survives in the capable hands of his youngest child (replacement dash still functioning through 19 frigid Northern Pennsylvania near Wellsboro) Winters.

Now it is a question of whether GM and the Domestic Auto Industry survives.

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For my two cents, if GM had brought the Astra sedan over as well as better and wider engine spread and options choices, it would have done better.

The Astra is one of the best if not THE best looking car in the segment.

Plus, having driven it, it is also the best driving, most expensive feeling small car available in the U.S. and I am not counting the A3 with it.

see, you know it too.

the astra is worlds better than the cobalt and the cobalt is a good car itself. just that the cobalt has a few more engine options and better pricing and options packages.

i can't see the a3 being worth the extra dough.

the dealer i was talking to emailed me last week and said they added 0%/60 and 1.9/72 financing on the astra i had picked out on top of all the rebates. I was kind of upset to have had to tell him its harder to reason to buy a car when you are now jobless.......needless to say i would have pulled the trigger.

i really like the astra and don't really care if its not got high horsepower, the next model will correct that. for me now its a question of whether when i am gainfully employed again, do i wait for an 010 astra or find an even better deal on an 08? my fallback is used 08 taurus, which is a different animal.

i even decided i wanted the astra over the vw's. i like the VW's, but didn't want the 5 cylinder. optioning up a jetta or jetta sportwagen with the 4pot turbo and such gets really pricey. The new mazda 3 is possibly the only other compact i may have interest in, once the 010 fusion engine upgrades come on line and the new 010 taurus hits. I would be perfectly happy with an astra for awhile though. It falls under the 'you have to drive it against its competition' on the same day type of thing. The VW's were the only ones in my mind that had the same solidity and driving enjoyment in the compact class. i was willing to live with a little less hp in the astra compared to the vw.

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FWIW the catera was a great car too, except the motor sucked and its reliability overall was unacceptable. i wonder how may of you actually drove a catera. i considered buying one, but it had rwd, didn't want that here. then it turned out to be an unreliable car.

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FWIW the catera was a great car too, except the motor sucked and its reliability overall was unacceptable. i wonder how may of you actually drove a catera. i considered buying one, but it had rwd, didn't want that here. then it turned out to be an unreliable car.

In typical GM fashion, the reliability issues had been fixed in the final two years.

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In typical GM fashion, the reliability issues had been fixed in the final two years.

i had test driven the catera a couple of times. it felt like a really good drive. way better than the gm front drivers at the time. and the space utlization of that car was tremendous. the rear seat was spacious. i had just figured it was a bit shaky of a proposition at the time and i was leery of the motor.

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I'd make the argument of "W" (also known as GM10) as being the last time GM attempted to capture the lightning-in-a-bottle it had found in '79 with the X-Car program and the success it had recently (at that time) tasted with the high volume Chevy Celebrity. Still see a number of Celebrities running around out there and the Pontiac sister-ship the 6000. The STE was a personal favorite of mine. Loved the piquant and flatulent sound of the STE exhaust-note.

The Fisher Body plant in New Jersey where I was employed at the time made encapsulated glass, seat-adjusters, tavern-styled door handles and a plethora of decorative and functional moldings for the slew of W-Cars which GM built in the late '80s and early '90s. By the time the 6th Generation W/Grand Prix and associates were coming into existence my home-plant was nearly shuttered. It survived as a temporary shelter/warehouse for the thousands upon thousands of electric seat adjusters built out in the waning days of it's life span.

GM's Fisher Body (Ternstedt Division) plant on Parkway Avenue in Ewing Township, New Jersey: Born 1938 Died 1998. Leaving behind many family members and a host of people in that Community to remember 'her'.

During World War II, the Plant became part of Eastern Aircraft and built the Grumman Avenger torpedo-bomber (ironically, an aircraft of this type was flown during that war by George Herbert Walker Bush, our 41st President) employing nearly 6000 souls at it's zenith.

Lest we forget, the Grand Prix (W body) was Motor Trend's COTY. So, in 21 model years since, see how much the Industry's evolved. Lots of friends and relatives had the 5th Generation Grand Prix. In spite of me. My brother-in-law traded-in his '86 T-topped beauty GP for the '89 coupe with a digi-dash (which failed 3 weeks out-of-the-box) and kept it for 8 years. It survives in the capable hands of his youngest child (replacement dash still functioning through 19 frigid Northern Pennsylvania near Wellsboro) Winters.

Now it is a question of whether GM and the Domestic Auto Industry survives.

Off topic, but I grew up in Ewing (resident from 1974 <o years old> to 1999 <24 years old>) and went to school with a ton of kids that had parent's employed at the GM plant. I attended the "final farewell" that GM opened to the public back in the summer of 1998, the only time I was ever inside of the plant (drove by that sucker millions of times though and knew many a retired resident that worked there). I was saddened to see the place demolished shortly after that, and haven't been by there in over two years.

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In typical GM fashion, the reliability issues had been fixed in the final two years.

So, do 2000 and 2001 models make good used vehicles then? I've always liked the Catera myself, even had the opportunity to test-drive one brand new upon their intro in '97 (my first brand-new Cadillac test drive). I had a student that graduated two years ago get one from a family member as his first used car (I want to say it was a '98 model). He said it didn't give him any problems, but he only had it for 3 months before he graduated and I haven't seen him since. A teenager near my development that attends my step-son's high school drives a late '90s silver/gray one that I see often. Makes me still want one!

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I always thought the cateras looked nice, but those 3.0L engines have a baaad reputation, not just for a few problems, but for being an absolute pain to work on. Same goes for the L-Series & early Vue with the same engine. The L-Series has some great characteristics, particularly being a VERY lightweight midsize car (just below or just above 3k lbs, depending on 4 or 6 cyl). If it weren't for electrical gremlins (seemingly also fixed toward the end of the model years) and the issues with the 3.0L, it would be a terrific car IMO (though not terribly exciting).

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And just think, this is GME's 'most fabulous product'

It's not GME's fault that GMNA sends obsolete GME products to North America, lets see ...

The current Astra is in it's last year before a new one is on the scene, GMNA's response? Ship the old one over now.

Then we have the Opel Omega which was on high side of middle age in Europe at the time ...

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GMNA's response, let's make it a Cadillac. Behold the Catera ...

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Then Holden wants German engineering, behold the commodore sedan. Look familiar?

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Then Holden takes Opel's platform and does some minor re-engineering to make the 2 door Monaro, and makes it a little wider, puts a corvette engine in it.

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Then GMNA gets the bright idea to take the Monaro and badge re-engineer it into the Pontiac GTO, by this time the platform is so old, I think the German engineer that designed it had retired from Opel, not to mention that Americans had seen this platform back in 1997 as the Cadillac Catera, allbeit a 2 door now. So this was the second time around for many of them. I beleive this was part of the failure of the GTO, which even Lutz said was a failure because the platform was long in the tooth.

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Opels failures? Not hardly, more like GMNA's failures for taking outdated products from Opel and trying to pass them off to the American market as new and improved, people aren't as dumb as GMNA thinks.

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Off topic, but I grew up in Ewing (resident from 1974 <o years old> to 1999 <24 years old>) and went to school with a ton of kids that had parent's employed at the GM plant. I attended the "final farewell" that GM opened to the public back in the summer of 1998, the only time I was ever inside of the plant (drove by that sucker millions of times though and knew many a retired resident that worked there). I was saddened to see the place demolished shortly after that, and haven't been by there in over two years.

Life is about being off-topic.

I went with my Grand Mother that August to the farewell. She'd worked there as a stereotypical "Rosie the Riveter" passing the 'torch' to me in '75.

I went exploring off of the tour route and found a piece of tooling, a cut and pierce die, from a program that spanned over 30 years right where I'd left it in August 1995 almost exactly 3 years earlier. The people, that place was and remains a large part of me. When it was thriving it was American ingenuity and manufacturing prowess at it's finest.

Seems that I'm doomed to wander the Earth remembering this and shoving it in people's faces all of the time.

Forgive me please.

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I always thought the cateras looked nice, but those 3.0L engines have a baaad reputation, not just for a few problems, but for being an absolute pain to work on. Same goes for the L-Series & early Vue with the same engine. The L-Series has some great characteristics, particularly being a VERY lightweight midsize car (just below or just above 3k lbs, depending on 4 or 6 cyl). If it weren't for electrical gremlins (seemingly also fixed toward the end of the model years) and the issues with the 3.0L, it would be a terrific car IMO (though not terribly exciting).

The original Catera was too rounded and the taillight panel looked like a Chrysler product from the '90s. Say what you will about the '04-'06 GTO... at least the final product was closer to being a Pontiac than the Catera was to being a Cadillac. Sure the GTO could have been better... much better... but the Catera was awful in trying to pass itself off as a Caddy.

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