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So, I'm flipping through the recent Automobile...

Came across a short section on the Enclave where it said "Other than the Buick ventiports and grille, [the Enclave] is completely generic"

And then this jewel:

(Might not be the exact quote) "The aluminum on the dash looks like an unrefined knife blade and the REAL wood looks FAKE."

***This is further proof that the anti-GM media sentiment is TOO powerful for GM to overcome. I said it with the Solstice and I'll say it again; GM will NEVER be good enough for the media.

The Enclave is BEAUTIFUL, yet this is the respect GM gets.... These smart assed, exaggerated one liners that have NO JUSTIFICATION.

NOW, apparently Buick show car inspired exteriors are "GENERIC" and excellent, beautiful GM interiors are "Unrefined and fake looking"

***Oh, and there was little positive about ANY of GM's show cars in this issue. (Camaro, Aveo, Enclave, GMT900)

:bs: :angry2: :thumbsdown::cussing::nono: :twocents: :censored::fiery:

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I'm glad I cancelled my Automobile subscription, I hated it.

That sounds like some complete BS. The Enclave's wood doesn't look fake at all, and if it's "generic," what is your everyday Japanese car?

What did they say about the Camaro and GMT900s?

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I'm very angry because the Enclave looks so freaking elegant in design, rich in appearance.

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You know what would be cool? And it would never happen, but it'd be cool if Toyota developed a car and then put like a Chevy logo on it and we saw what the press would say about it.

Or vice versa... GM developed a car and put a Toyota logo on it. Wonder if the opinion would truly be corrupted?

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dude in the sunday sun auto section, they complained about the enclave being fat and big

Well, it is a little. But I think it works and looks good. Kinda like how some people wear their weight VERY well?

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People always bitch about everything. This doesn't faze me nor should it faze anyone. Edmunds spent a whole paragraph of a ten-paragraph review describing how my car's cupholder flipped out when you close the center console as if that made a rat's ass.

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Since I haven't sat in one, I really can't judge the quality of the interior trim..but the exterior isn't generic..take away the ventiports and grille, and it's still a distinctive shape.

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I agree that the aluminum could look a bit better but that is one of my three Enclave complaints, the others being the center stack and the probability that the production version will not be as great as the concept.

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Or vice versa... GM developed a car and put a Toyota logo on it.  Wonder if the opinion would truly be corrupted?

That's already happened. Toyota sold the Chevrolet Cavalier as the Toyota Cavalier for awhile in Japan, and the car flopped.

And as everyone should know, the opposite has happened: the Corolla based Chevrolet Nova of the mid to late 1980's. It was a moderate success.

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I'm not sure how well this relates to the topic at hand, but GM recently showed the Saturn Aura to a group of 5 people. Without the Saturn badges, all 5 approved of the design. When the Saturn badges were uncovered, only 2 approved.

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That's unfortunate to hear from Automobile. I think the Enclave is a design done right...and the interior (spare two issues I had previously mentioned) is a winner.

As for subscriptions...I don't see any point in subscribing to automotive magazines because the news is old and the reviews end up on the net. Kind of like VHS tapes...

One thing I do like about Automobile...perhaps the only thing...is Robert Cumberford's design analysis. I don't always agree with him, but the way he breaks his reviews down is interesting and educational...I wish he'd break off from Automobile and do a weekly analysis...kind of like CarDesignNews, but free.

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That's already happened.  Toyota sold the Chevrolet Cavalier as the Toyota Cavalier for awhile in Japan, and the car flopped. And as everyone should know, the opposite has happened:  the Corolla based Chevrolet Nova of the mid to late 1980's.  It was a moderate success.

And honda sold the nsx as an acura and it flopped. The point is critical success, not whether it would be a sales success or not.

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That's unfortunate to hear from Automobile.  I think the Enclave is a design done right...and the interior (spare two issues I had previously mentioned) is a winner.

As for subscriptions...I don't see any point in subscribing to automotive magazines because the news is old and the reviews end up on the net.  Kind of like VHS tapes...

One thing I do like about Automobile...perhaps the only thing...is Robert Cumberford's design analysis.  I don't always agree with him, but the way he breaks his reviews down is interesting and educational...I wish he'd break off from Automobile and do a weekly analysis...kind of like CarDesignNews, but free.

I wonder if this review we're talking about is part of Cumberford's design analysis. If so, then it seems fair, as he equally pans cars from all manufacturers.

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I'm not sure how well this relates to the topic at hand, but GM recently showed the Saturn Aura to a group of 5 people.  Without the Saturn badges, all 5 approved of the design.  When the Saturn badges were uncovered, only 2 approved.

I believe it without question.

But of course, professional 'journalists' never have a shred of similar bias in their veins, oh no!

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Who cares.  Once the Enclave comes out, they'll sell like hot cakes and shut magazines like Automoblah up.

Let's hope so.

I'm still impressed how well the Rendezvous did... I swore up and down that it was not Buick, it was going to flop when it came out.

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That's already happened.  Toyota sold the Chevrolet Cavalier as the Toyota Cavalier for awhile in Japan, and the car flopped.

And as everyone should know, the opposite has happened:  the Corolla based Chevrolet Nova of the mid to late 1980's.  It was a moderate success.

Vibe.

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It wasn't credited, but I'm pretty sure it was that asshole Cumberford, as it was just as ARROGANT and OUT OF TOUCH as the rest of his writing.

To be fair, MOST of the cars (Well domestics anyway--as that was all I cared to read) in that Automobile were panned.

I'm *STILL* hopeful that the Enclave will help save Buick and I think overall it has gotten GOOD articles. The question is: will it continue to get good press in production?

Cumberford once wrote about a 1957 Chevrolet and in the article, he did nothing but talk down about the car and the era of time. I felt personally offended because I am a restorer... And I'll tell you what... I'd be willing to compare the residuals of that '57 Chevy with ANY of Cumberfords coveted Jap traps any day.

**And BTW, Consumer Reports says that the Enclave borrows cues from the Lexus RX and Infiniti FX.... But, I later felt vindicated because they said that the new Sentra looks like a Saturn Ion.... LOL :D***

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what Enclave was he writing about? I haven't seen the issue. Was he talking about the concept or has he been in a production version?!

Until we've driven a real one it is silly to argue about it. If the Tahoe/Escalade/Yukon is the new standard we're dealing with I have higher hopes for this range of SUVs and the future of GM. But don't throw the solstice in for comparisons it still isn't up there.

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"Solstice....stil isn't up there"

???????

The Solstice is an EXCELLENT vehicle and the DEFINING turning point for GM.

He was reffering to the concept.

Honestly, I've been in a real Solstice, and there are certain fit and finishing issues. Drastic improvement from the past, but definitely there's still room.

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I bet if it was a pile of dog crap with wheels slapped on it and a Toyota badge on the front they'd consider it "The car that is going to destory General Motors" I am so sick of this :censored:

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