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Impala - 40 thou????????

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I did check out the Impala quite thoroughly at the Auto Show. Nice car, inside and out. Practical, attractive.

Saw my first one on the lot this evening, yes, it was loaded. I think it was a 2LZ or 3LZ...

THIRTY NINE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!

wth. how is GM gonna get 40g for an IMPALA??????

The 2012 with 20k on the lot is 15 thousand......

So this is just asking opinions on whether you think Impala can make a huge leap in actual sale prices. I'm not sure they can go that big.

Taurus' are selling for 6-7k off sticker right now.......

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Admittedly, the value of a RWD chassis would have made the price easier to swallow. But this new Impala is a damn nice car.

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Some people pay $40,000 for a Taurus Limited, so I am sure Chevrolet can sell a few Impala LTZ's for about the same price. My problem is with the base Impala with the 4 cylinder being priced the same as a Taurus SE with a V6.

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I don't see what the appeal of the new Impala is. There are also a lot of really nice cars at that price point.

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I don't see what the appeal of the new Impala is. There are also a lot of really nice cars at that price point.

Size and V6 availability...it's not as cramped as the weak 4cyl only Malibu. Sounds like it's priced comparable to the LaCrosse, Avalon, Maxima, Azera, Credenza, and Taurus which make up the full size FWD segment. I'd still rather have a Charger or 300, though

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I can see many here have not really seen what many cars cost anymore. The old Impala discounting has distorted reality.

The new Impala is a $30K - 41K car. It has been moved up to face the Taurus head on price wise. It is not longer considered the high volume car it once was as the Malibu is now that car but there in lies the problem.

First off the new car is only related to the old in name only as it is much more of a car than the last one. It is not going to be a fleet car and nor will it be a sports sedan. The Impala has one job to do and that is to be a near luxury sedan and do everything well for the target market it is. This folks is the new Le sabre for younger people.

GM has pretty much outline the task at hand for this car and made it clear from the first that it was not the discounted bargain car it once was.

I suspect the overlap with the Lacrosse will soon disappear once it is replaced as the Buick is moving up. We have to remember that all the parts of GM are not yet in place or announced so once they do get these things to market we will see that Buick will grow to fill the lower slot Cadillac once did and carve out its own place. This will let the larger Chevy move into a higher slot to give the Malibu and Cruse more room to move.

Look for the Malibu fixes to make it more of a smaller Impala and it will better fill the slot of the old Impala. The new Fusion has already taken the place of the old Taurus.

Today the average price of a car is nearing $35K so that means the mid size car is filling this slot.

There is a slot for a FWD car in this price range as ever company either has one or is just now filling this slot. Believe it or not in the real world the average buyer wants FWD. Ford, Chevy. Toyota and now Hyundai has just come out with a car in this segment. They are proving popular with those who want a luxury car but are willing to forgo some perks for a lower price. A similar priced Cadillac will be $10-15K more and the Buick will be moving up soon.

Chevy said most of these will be LT models and in the mid $30K range and represent a good value for the buyer.

The only real mistake I see is the 4 cylinder non Turbo. I just do not see anyone in this class being too happy with that.

The key for this to work is #1 get the Malibu fixed. #2 get the Lacrosse replace in 2-3 years with a upgraded model.

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The only real mistake I see is the 4 cylinder non Turbo.

That's for fleets, I would think. Still going to be some fleeted, I would think.

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Cars are expensive. But $40k for an Impala is a lot. I don't really think the Maxima, Taurus, Avalon or Impala are worth that, but if you load them up that is what they cost. The Azera I think has the best value in that segment, and it is roomy on the inside without being huge on the outside.

To me the Genesis/Charger/300 are the way to go here because of the RWD. At least you get the RWD benefits at the $35-40k price point.

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Cars are expensive. But $40k for an Impala is a lot. I don't really think the Maxima, Taurus, Avalon or Impala are worth that, but if you load them up that is what they cost. The Azera I think has the best value in that segment, and it is roomy on the inside without being huge on the outside.

To me the Genesis/Charger/300 are the way to go here because of the RWD. At least you get the RWD benefits at the $35-40k price point.

None of them are worth that. Dinner for 3 at Arbys is not worth $19.00 but welcome the change everyone wanted. The best things in life are not free and if you want government health care, higher min wage and a party paying back union support you are going to pay for it no matter how much they raise taxes on the evil rich. LOL!

The fact is that today with wages, taxes, benefits, increased government regulation and energy cost the price of everything is going up and will continue do so. The impala in 10 years will be smaller and closer to $50K. So get used to it as there is no turning back now.

And the FED RWD debate is subjective in the non enthusiast area as there is a lot more of them and they want FWD. But I will not be surprised if a non SS RWD may be offered once they change platforms if they can move production to this company and share a line with the Caddies and the Camaro.

What is in play here is more than what we know and GM knows a hell of a lot more on the next move or two we have not even been hinted on.

As for the fleet look for very few to be fleeted in the Impala. Who would want them when most companies are looking to cut cost. Most companies and cities are going to small FWD cars with smaller 4 cylinders to save fuel cost. and purchase cost. Cities are broke and most will not buy the larger stuff out side state police and some local departments. I am not sure we will even see a police package on the Impala.

Something else to consider is this Impala may not be around really long. This is a old platform and the Impala has gotten to use all that is refined on it. But in a few years who knows a NA built Alpha based Impala could be added to the SS line and that would give room for the next Malibu to have a large niche between the Impala and Cruze. Lets face it GM has to do some changes here as the 3 segments are almost on top of each other.

There is a lot in play here and we have a lot to learn and see yet. I would recommend lets watch GM play this out more and we will have a better understanding.

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Admittedly, the value of a RWD chassis would have made the price easier to swallow. But this new Impala is a damn nice car.

agree on the damn nice car part.

but not 40k nice.

I don't see what the appeal of the new Impala is. There are also a lot of really nice cars at that price point.

and this is why

interior is not quite 40k nice. and there are caddys and buicks above it.

To use the Taurus again as a reference. My old dealer group is currently selling Taurus at several thou off sticker. This is the price where these cars will sell. Impala will need the discounts like this to move, maybe not right away. GM is still inflating their stickers. Most 12-13 Impalas sold in the low twenties retail. The new Impala will not command a 15k real price jump. Maybe 8-10k. But that is still not 40k.

AWD Taurus Limited 33k +/-

http://www.appleautos.com/2013-Ford-Taurus-Limited-Apple-Valley-MN/vd/13910692

GM's sedan strategy is unique. They plan to sell an equal number of Impalas and Malibus. Toyota sells many times more Camrys than Avalons, Nissans Altima is many more than Maxima. Ford even blows out several more Fusions than Taurus. This more even split for GM means lower prices will be needed. Plus the LaCrosse and Regal are somewhat in competition too.

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The only real mistake I see is the 4 cylinder non Turbo.

That's for fleets, I would think. Still going to be some fleeted, I would think.

I see the 4 cyl as a huge draw for the Impala . Many buyers come in now thinking 6 cylinders drink gas. The Impala is larger inside than the BU and it won't be much heavier. It will have plenty of power.

Impala is not a luxury or near lux car either. Chevy is still the high value division. There is a limit to how much Chevy can emphasize lux over value before the shopper bolts to a higher brand.

Impala's interior plastic needs an upgrade if they want to be considered near lux.

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hyperv6, on 11 May 2013 - 16:22, said:

smk4565, on 11 May 2013 - 15:23, said:

Cars are expensive. But $40k for an Impala is a lot. I don't really think the Maxima, Taurus, Avalon or Impala are worth that, but if you load them up that is what they cost. The Azera I think has the best value in that segment, and it is roomy on the inside without being huge on the outside.

To me the Genesis/Charger/300 are the way to go here because of the RWD. At least you get the RWD benefits at the $35-40k price point.

None of them are worth that. Dinner for 3 at Arbys is not worth $19.00 but welcome the change everyone wanted. The best things in life are not free and if you want government health care, higher min wage and a party paying back union support you are going to pay for it no matter how much they raise taxes on the evil rich. LOL!

The fact is that today with wages, taxes, benefits, increased government regulation and energy cost the price of everything is going up and will continue do so. The impala in 10 years will be smaller and closer to $50K. So get used to it as there is no turning back now.

And the FED RWD debate is subjective in the non enthusiast area as there is a lot more of them and they want FWD. But I will not be surprised if a non SS RWD may be offered once they change platforms if they can move production to this company and share a line with the Caddies and the Camaro.

What is in play here is more than what we know and GM knows a hell of a lot more on the next move or two we have not even been hinted on.

As for the fleet look for very few to be fleeted in the Impala. Who would want them when most companies are looking to cut cost. Most companies and cities are going to small FWD cars with smaller 4 cylinders to save fuel cost. and purchase cost. Cities are broke and most will not buy the larger stuff out side state police and some local departments. I am not sure we will even see a police package on the Impala.

Something else to consider is this Impala may not be around really long. This is a old platform and the Impala has gotten to use all that is refined on it. But in a few years who knows a NA built Alpha based Impala could be added to the SS line and that would give room for the next Malibu to have a large niche between the Impala and Cruze. Lets face it GM has to do some changes here as the 3 segments are almost on top of each other.

There is a lot in play here and we have a lot to learn and see yet. I would recommend lets watch GM play this out more and we will have a better understanding.

your first paragraph is spot on, until we change the direction of leadership back the other way for awhile.....

even though new car average price is higher, let's determine how much of that is driven by higher prices of crossovers and luxury car sales. bread and butter car transaction prices are not on average going up as fast but to be fair on that a lot of people are buying cruzes and such now instead of the midsizers.

Volume bread and butter cars, the average prices will be going up but competition is so fierce it tends to keep the average increases in check.

I think a fair amount of these will become fleet over time, although for now they need to fleet the Malibu so much more to make up for the lack of sales there. The Impala was older so it needed to be fleeted to keep the plant running. Now that is the Malibu's job. But in 2-3 years there will be plenty of Impala fleet cars.

Actually, I have seen a $h!ton of new Malibus lately. GM is doing a good job moving the car in spite of the flaws. Cheap leases, fleet, whatever it takes. The Malibu is a good car with some flaws but if I had a fleet car i would damn happy with a Malibu. I like the Fusion, but there is a quality about the new Fusion that I don't like and I think the Malibu is a very divergent and attractive constast from that.

Crazy thing is the Impala and Malibu are REALLY close in size, just that the Malibu has a larger airy cabin, more of a touring car. The Malibu is more of a bunker with less space and claustrophic. Malibu's dash is a cockpit and the Impala's is more horizontal and spread out. If Chevy can position some of its Malibu as an affordable sports sedan, i think they can hit a portion of the market that is being neglected right now.

New Impala is precisely for those that may have driven Bonnevilles and Auroras before. When i was on the lot checking it out yesterday, a dude with a fairly new pre 13 Malibu and his family stopped dead in their tracks to check one out.

Taurus needs an interior gut and redo to keep up with the Impala though I think. The Taurus interior is a bit overdone and intrusive for a car that is supposed to have size, and they need to reduce the bunker feel in there also. The Impala's big advantage over the Taurus is how airy feeling it is in comparison.

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Sorry but I was not trying to be political but it is what it is on the cause and effect and I do not see it changing now no matter who is in office.

I do agree the Taurus needs to gut the interior as it feels very cramped for a larger car. The console is way to large.

The impala it light years larger inside than the Malibu. My SSEI did not have the leg room front or rear that this car has. Now to be fair it may be a little narrower but they make good use and packaging of the space given.

The Malibu is a good car in a sector of really great cars. It was just late to market and it shows. GM could release it as it was and make due or stayed with a old car and suffered even more losses. The update we will see I firmly believe was already in the works when the car was released as GM knew they needed It but could not wait two years more to release the car.

As for price get with it people that is the going rate for a average large American sedan not in the luxury group. Sorry but look around. Sure you can get a gutted ATS for a little less but option it up and you are at $51K and just wait to see what the new CTS will set you back.

To make the Impala cheaper would put it right on top of the Malibu and to make it cheaper it would put it on top of the Cruze. The only reason the old one was so cheap is the tooling was paid for on the W body 18 years ago and they could not give them away at the price they should have been.

Times are transitional at GM and prices are going to go up more and more in the next 10 years.

The real danger for the automakers will be the fact that with falling wages and the rising cost of products less and less people will be able to consider a new car. Also with higher taxes on the affluent it will make them scale back too. I have already seen it. The issue there is nearly 70% of the auto profits come from the luxury cars and you lose those it will hurt over all. Chevy make money by volume like a grocery store and with trucks. Buick and Cadillac make it on content. Chevy really is going to have the Cruze, Sonic and Malibu hold the line as they will be the main income cars. The improvements to the Malibu will be critical and the next new model will be a must have hit.

GM has done a great job of protecting buyers from fleet sales as resale values are much better on new product. The use of the Captiva and old Impala have been key. I see GM doing this into the future and limit the fleet sales much more than many of you expect. The only thing to change that is dire times if the economy tanks again.

Having been in the Impala and seen what it can do it is a Damn fine car. It is not a sports sedan, it is not a fleet service car and it is not a high volume car as the other Chevys. It fills a niche that the Taurus now fills l less the SHO model.

Lets put it this way at the Auto Show this year it was the only Chevy I had to wait In line to sit in. even with a ZR1, ZL1 and 2014 Pick up sitting on the floor. There was a line and the comment were all positive and that is not something I have heard about the Impala for a long time from many in the general public.

I do have one neg on the Impala the steering wheel is lame but out side that it is going to sell well. Last month it was the second fastest selling Chevy car and it had just hit the market.

As for the RWD vs FWD with the general public I see no issue with this car as most in the public if given the choice would pick FWD like it or not. Now if they tried to pass this car off as a SS sports sedan then I would say that would be an issue for the limited number they would sell but John and Jane Q public buy FWD in the millions every year and that is not going to be an issue. Price too is not a great issue out side the new Hyundai they just came out with as it is cheap with many standard options. But then you get what you pay for and many never go back to Hyundai too.

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Some people pay $40,000 for a Taurus Limited, so I am sure Chevrolet can sell a few Impala LTZ's for about the same price. My problem is with the base Impala with the 4 cylinder being priced the same as a Taurus SE with a V6.

Taurus is going 4-banger post haste..

Watch the political stuff...

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Impala has Epsilon disease, too narrow, but you notice how they kept the door panels thin and carved out to get as much width as they could inside in the new Impala.

You mentioned the Captiva, more and more i think it is a stroke of genius. Buick said they did not want the Vue, so they turn it into fleet only and move 5k of them a month and resell them a year later as CPO. I was just in my hometown lot checking and they had 6 captivas, almost all with v6 and leather and like 10k or so miles on them and these things are selling close to 20k. For those who are not crazy about the Equinox, the Captiva is a great alternative. Likewise if you don't want a new overpriced Impala you can get the slum Impala. no way they would have sold 60k buick vues. and saturn fans have a gm they can still buy.

With those CPO Captivas if I had been selling Chevy I would have pushed the used. They would have been great switch cars for Equinoxes or move ups from Cruzes and Malibus. Then you'd get paid for a used unit instead of the lesser you would get selling chevy new.

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I am sure that the 2.0L Ecoboost will be the primary engine in the CD4 Taurus that will debut in a few years. With the popularity of crossovers, increasing roominess of mid size and compact cars, CAFE, and declining middle class incomes, I do question the future of the Taurus/Impala/Avalon class of cars after this generation, just as the Mondeo/Insignia class of cars is declining in Europe.

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ford has a 2.3 ecoboost in the pipeline also. the 2.0 turbo was nice in the edge i drove. to be honest, the 2.0t would be nice in the Impala also.

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Impala has Epsilon disease, too narrow, but you notice how they kept the door panels thin and carved out to get as much width as they could inside in the new Impala.

You mentioned the Captiva, more and more i think it is a stroke of genius. Buick said they did not want the Vue, so they turn it into fleet only and move 5k of them a month and resell them a year later as CPO. I was just in my hometown lot checking and they had 6 captivas, almost all with v6 and leather and like 10k or so miles on them and these things are selling close to 20k. For those who are not crazy about the Equinox, the Captiva is a great alternative. Likewise if you don't want a new overpriced Impala you can get the slum Impala. no way they would have sold 60k buick vues. and saturn fans have a gm they can still buy.

With those CPO Captivas if I had been selling Chevy I would have pushed the used. They would have been great switch cars for Equinoxes or move ups from Cruzes and Malibus. Then you'd get paid for a used unit instead of the lesser you would get selling chevy new.

There has been demand for used Captiva's here and they are selling as fast as they come available.

I look for out going models to be used more and more for fleet use and discounting. It not only is income for GM from a dead horse but it also protects the buyers of the new product. GM has made a point of this on most new models.

The 2.0T is the only 4 that should have been used in the Impala but it is not to be at this point.

While the Impala is narrow it will still seat 3 across fine if anyone with a sedan still does that.

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^ With all the emphasis on 7-pass SUVs (assuming there's any legitimacy to that), I would hazard to guess that the same situations occasionally are encountered by sedan owners.

Curious that as mankind has gotten so much wider, cars have gotten so much narrower.

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Government regulations have a way of doing that.

That may be why they are now wanting to tell us what to eat and how much. They want to make sure we fit in the little cars they have forced on us LOL!

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Government regulations have a way of doing that.

That may be why they are now wanting to tell us what to eat and how much. They want to make sure we fit in the little cars they have forced on us LOL!

Last I looked, the Expedition XL and Suburban were still in production. Don't blame the government for GM's miss-handling of platforms...

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Just looked over a base LS light blue 2014 Impala for a good 20 min. I must say that it is a nice car but Chevy has once again aimed really low with this trim level. Plastic wheels. No visible exhaust out back. Black exterior rear view mirrors, no leather steering wheel, no rear air vents, 4 cylinder only. It's as if this trim level was aimed directly at fleets, which is what I thought GM was avoiding. To get these items one must move up to the 30k LT trim where most every other competitors have a std V6.

The mileage is also a let down. 21/31 for the enhanced new 2.5. 18/28 for the V6 and 25/35 for the eAssist. Notice these figures are lower than the heavier LaCrosse for the eAssist setup, with the V6 coming in one less on both counts compared to most online sources and a whopping 3 less than the Malibu with the 2.5 despite only a 150 LB gain in weight. I'm very curious why the lower than expected numbers for this car.

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Government regulations have a way of doing that.

That may be why they are now wanting to tell us what to eat and how much. They want to make sure we fit in the little cars they have forced on us LOL!

Last I looked, the Expedition XL and Suburban were still in production. Don't blame the government for GM's miss-handling of platforms...

Yes like they sell a ton of those like they used too.

You know as well as I do that we are in transition of old GM and new GM and the new GM has done pretty well with what they were given to work with till they can fix it all.

Now visit me back on this in 2025 and just see how big you cars and half ton trucks are. You are one of those around here that it smart enough to know where this is all going.

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Is that the government speaking or the market speaking? Lots of people don't even want large cars anymore no matter how efficient they are. My friend with the Scion TC thinks the Camry is a "boat". Albert won't go bigger than a CR-V and even refuses to drive a 'Nox. Lots of people moved from Suburbans to Acadias/Traverses simply for drivability reasons... and remember, if you did that 10 years ago you ended up in an Aztek or TrailBlazer... neither of which have the utility that the Lambdas do today.

It's just the market shifting on its own here.

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