Jump to content
William Maley

Mercedez Benz News Rumorpile: Details Spill Out On Mercedes-Benz's Truck

Recommended Posts

We are still a few years out before Mercedes-Benz launches their new midsize truck, but new details have come out about the model.

 

CarAdvice got some information from an insider at a recent design forum in Australia. First, Mercedes will be calling the truck either X-Class or Z-Class. It seems the automaker is leaning towards X since it brings up images of ruggedness.

 

The truck will only be offered in a crew-cab variation which allows Mercedes not to spend a lot of time developing a regular or extended cab variations. It also gives Mercedes the ability to distance their truck from the Nissan Navara - the model which Mercedes is using as a base for their truck.

 

“Yes, to come to an attractive price we are using a common platform, but all the rest is done by Mercedes – to design, to develop the vehicle specifically to meet Mercedes criteria,” said Daimler board member Thomas Weber at the Detroit Auto Show.

 

There will three trim levels ranging from standard work truck to a fully-loaded model with all of the luxuries. Two diesel engines; a turbocharged 2.3L four-cylinder (188 horsepower and 332 pound-feet of torque) and a turbocharged six-cylinder (255 horsepower and 406 pound-feet of torque) will be on offer. A part-time four-wheel drive system will be standard on the base and mid-level model. The top trim model gets a full-time system.

 

One question still up in the air is whether or not the U.S. will get this truck. Then Mercedes-Benz USA CEO Steve Cannon expressed interest in selling it here and that a final decision is expected sometime this year.

 

Source: CarAdvice


View full article

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think they should give it a word name and sell it under Mercedes-Benz Vans with Sprinter and Metris.  Quite a lot of torque from the diesels, could do well for the commercial buyer.  If they sell it in the USA, I hope it is at the Sprinter dealers, and not with the passenger car line.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've only ever seen combo sprinter / car dealerships. Local mega-brand MB dealer likes to line up 10 or 12 sprinters right up front, next to s- and e-class sedans. Can't tell if it's a luxury dealership or a rental truck lot.

 

- - - - - 

THis is HILARIOUS. Moneybags Daimler is buying a nissan frame, not offering either a regular or ext cab, and there's NO V-8??? Have they even LOOKED at the truck segment?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If they are going after the consumer rather than commercial market, it makes sense to do only a crew cab..I rarely see regular or extended cabs anymore, and some pickups don't offer regular cabs anymore..and why would they offer a V8?  The Colorado/Canyon, Frontier, and Tacoma don't offer V8s..this is going to be a midsize, since they mentioned the Navara (Frontier). 

Edited by Cubical-aka-Moltar

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's going to be a Mercedes competitor to the GMC Denali Canyon with DuraMax.

 

 

Interesting. Actually Daimler, the company's parent owns a lot of fleet vehicle companies, such as mass-transit solution providers...

 

So them having another vehicle for commercial use, notably a truck isn't out of the realm of something I would expect.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But SMK always says an auto is $h! if it does not have a V8!

 

So this Truck will be $h! from the Get Go after all it is NOT a REAL MB but a rebadge Nissan!

 

On top of this, never seen a Sprinter dealership in my life, as Balthazar has stated, I only find MB Dealerships with the Sprinter vans out front next to the S, E, C, etc. class of auto. 

 

So being the German Version of Chevy, this should fit right in for the RedNeck buyers next to the Sprinter Family haulers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah, the largest MB dealership in Canada (I believe) has two lots. One in front has all the top end cars easily visible.

 

But then you cut across from the adjacent parking lot of the Canadian Tire - and you see how the floor space of the dealer is like a hangar... and all the way back, through the other side is all the commercial vans, and the opposite of that wall is a horizontal line of perpendicular spots that is hidden from the main street overlooking the property.

 

They go to great lengths to hide the fact that those things are sold there.

 

Ever heard of Orion buses? A Daimler Company, now defunct. But yeah, the same company that powered mass-transit in Toronto also makes Mercedes cars, the anti-thesis of cheap wheels.

 

Of course buyers do not know, and if someone told them, they would not care. Loyalty. That...damn. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One of Az's largest M-B dealers usually has a row of a 15 or so Sprinters facing the freeway, w cars and SUVs on the building forecourt which is slightly elevated and also visible from the freeway...but the M-B dealer near my house in Phoenix and the one in downtown Scottsdale near my office don't seem to have any visible Sprinter presence...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Speaking of buses, Daimler also owns US Thomas buses that makes school buses and European Setra Coach.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sprinter vans aside, and other commercial stuff that Mercedes produces, is this pick-up truck a competitor to the Chevy Colorado work truck or is it a GMC Sierra Denali/Cadillac Escalade EXT type vehicle?

 

Because as a commercial medium duty truck, it makes sense for Mercedes to do this, especially using a Nissan, but if this is to impress the blue bloods, it is asinine, especially using a Nissan platform.

 

If they want to go the Lincoln Blackwood route, maybe a pure bespoke M-B chassis would be better suited...

 

Whatever I says, not that Id be impressed with it either way.

I am not a truck guy, I dont really care.

But I got to laugh at the ridiculous rate Mercedes Benz wants to whore itself unto every possible real or imagined niche there is.

 

GIF-Amused-cute-girl-happy-laugh-laughin

 

Yes Ms. Temple,  it is quite a silly and embarrassing idea, isn't it ???!!!

Edited by oldshurst442

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Canyon Denali competitor if it comes to the US, maybe VW Anorak competitor in Europe.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Canyon Denali competitor if it comes to the US, maybe VW Anorak competitor in Europe.

That is what I was thinking....

 

I do find it a great idea for the work truck thing for Europe.

Actually, I might even say its about bloody time!

 

M-B produces some pretty mighty, hefty work horses for Europe and 3rd world countries.

A European market knows how rugged those commercial trucks are. And deep rooted in European history going far back before WW2...so a light to medium pick-up truck to claim market share form Toyota Hilux, Mazda B2000, Nissan Navarro (which ironically underpins this new thing) and VW Amarok is a smart move...

 

But...to offer this in North America would be quite silly and embarrassing in any which form.

 

Hypocritical you are calling me because its OK for GM and GMC and Cadillac and Lincoln?

 

Well...just like M-B has a deep rooted history for work and military trucks in Europe, as does GM with Chevy and GMC along with Ford in North America.

 

Also...Lincoln and Cadillac no longer offer pick-up trucks, the Caddy EXT/Avalanche was sold as a SUV but one could argue it was a pick-up truck more than it was a SUV... Ford and GMC/Chevy has an image of blue collar people...selling a Denali to these people is akin to what M-B is in Europe...is contradictory to M-B's image in North America is what Im saying.

Edited by oldshurst442

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not silly nor embarrassing. I think they could sell plenty on the brand name alone...they have done well w SUVs here...it's another lifestyle activity vehicle...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not silly nor embarrassing. I think they could sell plenty on the brand name alone...they have done well w SUVs here...it's another lifestyle activity vehicle...

I guess its how one wants to view what this world is becoming.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think its because I have never equated pick-up trucks, SUVs, CUVs as status symbols.  Even the Escalade.

 

I have always view these vehicles as work vehicles, tools. Appliances for hard work. Blue collar stuff.

 

The off-roading 4x4s as enthusiast toys. Sure...those can be status symbols, but not of the snobby kind. Because mud is the farthest to aristocracy  in my mind.

To each his own.

I will continue to laugh at what this world and this society has become.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

At one time in the distant past, trucks and SUVs were strictly work trucks..they still are for some. But for most buyers, they are family haulers and upscale commuter vehicles--go-to-work vehicles...office parking garages and lots are full of them...over the last 2 decades or so they have largely replaced full size cars and wagons. I more BMW, Merc, etc SUVs than sedans in a typical week..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've only ever seen combo sprinter / car dealerships. Local mega-brand MB dealer likes to line up 10 or 12 sprinters right up front, next to s- and e-class sedans. Can't tell if it's a luxury dealership or a rental truck lot.

 

- - - - - 

THis is HILARIOUS. Moneybags Daimler is buying a nissan frame, not offering either a regular or ext cab, and there's NO V-8??? Have they even LOOKED at the truck segment?

Considering they would compete with Tacoma and Colorado, I don't see why they would need a V8.  And 406 lb-ft of torque is a lot more than either of those two offer.

 

I am not sure why they are even bothering with a pickup, except for that it is a popular and profitable body style and they probably see the ability to make money.  I think they should stick to cars and vans though,

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am not sure why they are even bothering with a pickup, except for that it is a popular and profitable body style and they probably see the ability to make money.  I think they should stick to cars and vans though,

 

 

 

More niches to exploit...if it's successful, they can add more variations..I'm sure they will figure out a 'coupe' version, an AMG version, etc...  (I have seen a black Sprinter w/ AMG badging around here, but that's aftermarket modded..)

Edited by Cubical-aka-Moltar

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I will say this, there are people that spend $50-60k on Silverado High Country or F150 King Ranch trucks.  Pick up truck buyers aren't shy about spending a lot on their truck.  Where as a luxury car buyer might make $180k, but only buy a $60k E-class, I think there are pickup buyers making $50k a year buying a $50k pickup.   Truck people will put a lot of their income into their truck.

 

So with that being said, maybe it isn't so crazy that Mercedes made a full size luxury truck, but I don't think they'll ever go down that road.  I think this mid-size truck is aimed at commercial use and work use, and you'll probably see an interior more like what is on the Metris/Vito.  If they sell it in the USA, I bet the 2.0 turbo 4 gets added to the mix.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I can see it being for commercial and work use in Europe, but for the US, I suspect they would lux it up...if they even bring it here. As far as commercial vehicles, I'd suspect the Metris/Vito is coming, since the small van market is growing.. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's not embarrassing to compete in a growing segment of trucks.

 

It's embarrassing when your tagline is 'the best or nothing' and you buy your truck's chassis from a 2nd tier truck maker.

 

As an EXTREMELY late newcomer to the truck segment, 'The Best or Nothing' should offer 'above & beyond' what the segment already does, otherwise; what does it bring to the table?

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

I've only ever seen combo sprinter / car dealerships. Local mega-brand MB dealer likes to line up 10 or 12 sprinters right up front, next to s- and e-class sedans. Can't tell if it's a luxury dealership or a rental truck lot.

 

- - - - - 

THis is HILARIOUS. Moneybags Daimler is buying a nissan frame, not offering either a regular or ext cab, and there's NO V-8??? Have they even LOOKED at the truck segment?

Considering they would compete with Tacoma and Colorado, I don't see why they would need a V8.  And 406 lb-ft of torque is a lot more than either of those two offer.

 

I am not sure why they are even bothering with a pickup, except for that it is a popular and profitable body style and they probably see the ability to make money.  I think they should stick to cars and vans though,

 

That is only in V6 guise. The four banger overdressed Nissan has 37ft/lbs. less than a comparable Colorado/Canyon.

 

Oh the irony of you defending a badge job made for a luxury carmaker because it happens to be the one you like LOL!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I will say this, there are people that spend $50-60k on Silverado High Country or F150 King Ranch trucks.  Pick up truck buyers aren't shy about spending a lot on their truck.  Where as a luxury car buyer might make $180k, but only buy a $60k E-class, I think there are pickup buyers making $50k a year buying a $50k pickup.   Truck people will put a lot of their income into their truck.

 

So with that being said, maybe it isn't so crazy that Mercedes made a full size luxury truck, but I don't think they'll ever go down that road.  I think this mid-size truck is aimed at commercial use and work use, and you'll probably see an interior more like what is on the Metris/Vito.  If they sell it in the USA, I bet the 2.0 turbo 4 gets added to the mix.

You have absolutely no proof of those buyer demographics at all. Just pure speculation on your part and especially given that I see quite a few folks NOT making $180K a year driving the E Class. As a matter of fact, the average income for an E Class buyer is $90K a year which is inserting for a car that can sell for more than that. 

 

Oh the double standards that are being pedaled here.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

I will say this, there are people that spend $50-60k on Silverado High Country or F150 King Ranch trucks.  Pick up truck buyers aren't shy about spending a lot on their truck.  Where as a luxury car buyer might make $180k, but only buy a $60k E-class, I think there are pickup buyers making $50k a year buying a $50k pickup.   Truck people will put a lot of their income into their truck.

 

So with that being said, maybe it isn't so crazy that Mercedes made a full size luxury truck, but I don't think they'll ever go down that road.  I think this mid-size truck is aimed at commercial use and work use, and you'll probably see an interior more like what is on the Metris/Vito.  If they sell it in the USA, I bet the 2.0 turbo 4 gets added to the mix.

You have absolutely no proof of those buyer demographics at all. Just pure speculation on your part and especially given that I see quite a few folks NOT making $180K a year driving the E Class. As a matter of fact, the average income for an E Class buyer is $90K a year which is inserting for a car that can sell for more than that. 

 

Oh the double standards that are being pedaled here.

 

Where did you find data that the average income of an E-class buyer is $90k a year?

 

I also don't know anything about the next-gen Frontier or 2015 Navara platform.  Maybe the chassis isn't so bad, maybe it is.  I don't think Daimler would build a vehicle on a crap platform, and when you put Mercedes suspension parts, Mercedes 9-speed automatic transmission, Mercedes diesel engines on to it, maybe it will be good.  It isn't like there is even a concept vehicle to look at at this point.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Social Stream

  • Similar Content

    • By William Maley
      2021 is going to be a very interesting year for the Mazda3 as two more engines become available.
      According to separate reports from Jalopnik and Hagerty, Mazda will be dropping in the turbocharged 2.5L four-cylinder found in the 6, CX-5, and CX-9. The engine produces 227 horsepower on regular or 250 on premium. Like other Mazda models with this engine, the 3 will have it paired only with a six-speed automatic. Both reports say the engine will have AWD as standard. According to Hagerty's source, the engine will be available on a new trim called Premium Plus - likely taking the top spot in the 3's trim lineup. The source also confirmed this engine will not mean the return of the Mazdaspeed name for a hot variant. 
      The other engine is a 2.0L four-cylinder that Jalopnik reports is only for the sedan. Hagerty believes this engine is the SkyActiv-G used in the previous-generation 3, not the SkyActiv-X with its compression-ignition system.
      Not surprisingly, Mazda said they "“have not announced any details for the 2021 Mazda3," when asked about this.
      Source: Hagerty, Jalopnik

      View full article
    • By William Maley
      2021 is going to be a very interesting year for the Mazda3 as two more engines become available.
      According to separate reports from Jalopnik and Hagerty, Mazda will be dropping in the turbocharged 2.5L four-cylinder found in the 6, CX-5, and CX-9. The engine produces 227 horsepower on regular or 250 on premium. Like other Mazda models with this engine, the 3 will have it paired only with a six-speed automatic. Both reports say the engine will have AWD as standard. According to Hagerty's source, the engine will be available on a new trim called Premium Plus - likely taking the top spot in the 3's trim lineup. The source also confirmed this engine will not mean the return of the Mazdaspeed name for a hot variant. 
      The other engine is a 2.0L four-cylinder that Jalopnik reports is only for the sedan. Hagerty believes this engine is the SkyActiv-G used in the previous-generation 3, not the SkyActiv-X with its compression-ignition system.
      Not surprisingly, Mazda said they "“have not announced any details for the 2021 Mazda3," when asked about this.
      Source: Hagerty, Jalopnik
    • By William Maley
      Nearly a decade ago, Nissan launched an ambitious assault on the U.S. commercial van market with the launch of their NV vans. It started with the Titan-dervived, body-on-frame NV1500/2500/3500 vans. This was followed by the unibody NV200 van, which was for a time the "Taxi of Tommorow" in New York City. But Nissan is reportedly throwing in the towel.
      Automotive News has learned from a source that it will end production of their commercial vans. No time frame was given.
      "We don't want to go more in the business of vans in the U.S. We will exit," said the source.
      Nissan spokesman Brian Brockman declined to comment about the future of the commercial vans, only saying in a statement that the automaker " is considering a number of opportunities to streamline the product portfolio and drive efficiencies within our manufacturing operations."
      When the NV lineup was launched in 2009, Nissan was hoping to steal away sales from the Detroit Three. At the time, Ford and GM had 97 percent of the large van segment. The NV was positioned as being a more modern option compared to the Ford E-Series and Chevrolet Express/GMC Savana. It was more comfortable with adjustable seats, taller ceiling for easier access to the cargo area, and pre-drilled holes in the body to allow owners to add interior racks easily. But Nissan wasn't able to make decent inroads into this market, only achieving around an eight percent share in the marketplace.
      What was the NV's downfall?
      Brand Loyalty to the American brands Using a modified Titan platform for the larger vans comprised them in urban areas with their extended front nose, and cargo capacity. "A third of the vehicle is dedicated to the engine and passenger compartment instead of cargo. The van takes up more real estate for the same amount of cargo space," explained Sam Fiorani, vice president at AutoForecast Solutions. NV200 Taxis were dinged by taxi companies poor ride quality, difficulty entering/exiting the van for elderly passengers, and increasing maintenance costs. Proved to a be a difficult sale to fleet buyers due to the automaker lacking the numerous combinations of light-trucks that the Detroit three can offer. Trucks and vans work hand in hand to attract sales in the commercial market. "Chevrolet and Ford can be everything to everybody," said Tyler Slade, operating partner at Tim Dahle Nissan Southtowne in Salt Lake City. "When we went to some of these fleet companies, it didn't make sense for them to have trucks from Ford and vans from Nissan." Add in $2.8 billion in cuts that the company is planning to stay afloat and COVID-19, and the death knell was coming sooner than later for the NV family.
      If Nissan does go forward with dropping the NV family, this will be a major blow to about a forth of Nissan dealers in the U.S. They made various investments such as installing heavy-duty lifts capable of lifting fully-loaded vans and having a dedicated sales staff to handle specific fleet issues.
      "Dealers now have serious concerns about their investments in commercial vehicles," said Slade.
      There is also the question as to whether Nissan may try again. Automotive News notes that in the new business strategy outlined last month, Nissan is wanting more global cooperation with its alliance partner Renault. The French automaker already has a number of vans in its lineup and is quite successful in various markets. Nissan already sells a version of the Renault Traffic, called the NV300 in Europe.
      But getting a Renault van into the U.S. as a Nissan will be difficult and costly in terms of homologation. Also, Nissan would still need to figure out how to appeal to larger fleet buyers that go with Ford or GM.
      Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required), The Drive
      Pic Credit: William Maley for Cheers & Gears

      View full article
  • Recent Status Updates

  • Reader Rides

About us

CheersandGears.com - Founded 2001

We ♥ Cars

Get in touch

Follow us

Recent tweets

facebook

×
×
  • Create New...