Detroit 2019: 2020 Cadillac XT6: Comments

[smk4565]

Pretty bland and boring, looks sort of like a Hyundai Santa Fe for double the money which isn’t going to excite anyone or stir up buyers.  I would hope they price this in the high $40s, they better have some incentives ready to roll too.

Out of the gate they are less competitive to the X5, GLE, Q7,MDX, Aviator and XC90. How do you launch at the back of a segment, just think of this vehicle come 2025 when it is still on sale in its current form.

[regfootball]

cadillac needs to understand they can't just put plain old 3.6 in all their cars.  they have to circulate more of that twin turbo 3.0 around the horn, if even as optional.

 

at a minimum cadillac should have an all new completely knockout interior in this thing

 

in the end it still comes down to gramma and grampa wanted an XT5 with a third row....  in fairness, some or lot of elderly do have smaller garages and can't handle vehicles with larger wheelbases quite as well.  I love the Enclave but admit for some folks this as a three row may be easier to park and pilot to the pharmacy and back.

Edited January 13, 2019 by regfootball

[Suaviloquent]

Hey you can also pay XT5 money to get this engine in the Blazer! 

That means it has to be a luxury engine! Trickle down! Just like the Camaro getting the Alpha chassis!

[oldshurst442]

Apart for this being a CUV and obviously having a shytty name, I dont get the hate for it.

1. Its a 3 row cute ute made to sell in huge numbers

    a) Because that is what the consumers want

    b) Because that is what sells.

2. Its a  cute ute.  There is nothing any designer COULD do to make cute utes...cute. They are ungodly ugly things by nature. 

     a) either they get to be a box (with a hatchback)

     b) either they get to be rounded off boxes (with a hatchback)

3. Maybe Cadillac Deville would be a better name for this CUV? 

With that being said, Cadillac really dug into its past to design the rear 3/4 panel area.

I give you late 1960's Cadillac rear window designs

1968

1970

2019

The 2019 looks like a combo of that 1968 and 1970 design rear window...

I think it looks the part of a modern soccer mom station wagon. I think it looks OK for what it is and I think it looks good for a Cadillac CUV. 

No...it will NEVER be a classic Cadillac car, but hey, North Americans want to be able to sit their old fat asses (even if they are not old or fat or both) in their CUVs with ease...

You reap what you sow...

Dont be complainin' about how crappy lookin' transportation pods have become, because ya'll be buying them by the boat loads, these fancy cute ute vehicles you be buyin' because you be favorin' how you get in and out of them...

 

Edited January 13, 2019 by oldshurst442

[regfootball]

why wasn't this platform flexible enough to stretch the wheelbase even 2, 3, 4 inches......

[Cmicasa the Great]

2 minutes ago, regfootball said:

why wasn't this platform flexible enough to stretch the wheelbase even 2, 3, 4 inches......

Because they don't have to stretch the platform because they could have used Cxx Long (Traverse /Enclave) instead of Cxx short (Acadia) but also want to sell Escalades and a possible XT7. 

[Suaviloquent]

3 minutes ago, regfootball said:

why wasn't this platform flexible enough to stretch the wheelbase even 2, 3, 4 inches......

Because the next step up for Cadillac in size and what they want to offer the customer is not a longer Acadilade, but the Escalade EXT. 

1 minute ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Because they don't have to stretch the platform because they could have used Cxx Long (Traverse /Enclave) instead of Cxx short (Acadia) but also want to sell Escalades and a possible XT7. 

We replied at the same time LOL👌

[Cmicasa the Great]

1 hour ago, regfootball said:

 

in the end it still comes down to gramma and grampa wanted an XT5 with a third row....  in fairness, some or lot of elderly do have smaller garages and can't handle vehicles with larger wheelbases quite as well.  I love the Enclave but admit for some folks this as a three row may be easier to park and pilot to the pharmacy and back.

Real quick.  I'mma need U to never sound like one of the silly clowns in the media again who actually know that the XT5 and Cadillac as a whole, is no longer a "grand ma/PA" company. The XT5's demo is actually 35-50 year old women 

[regfootball]

i only asked because proportionally for styling a few extra inches would look better.  GM platforms must not have any flexibility.

1 minute ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Real quick.  I'mma need U to never sound like one of the silly clowns in the media again who actually know that the XT5 and Cadillac as a whole, is no longer a "grand ma/PA" company. The XT5's demo is actually 35-50 year old women 

just judging by what i see casually in traffic its more like 50-65 yo women

[Robert Hall]

2 minutes ago, regfootball said:

i only asked because proportionally for styling a few extra inches would look better.  GM platforms must not have any flexibility.

Well, they have the short wheelbase, used by the Blazer, Acadia and XT5.  They have the long wheelbase, used by the Traverse and Enclave.  Don’t know why they went with the short wheelbase for this, unless they want to do a long wheelbase XT7 in the future. 

5 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Real quick.  I'mma need U to never sound like one of the silly clowns in the media again who actually know that the XT5 and Cadillac as a whole, is no longer a "grand ma/PA" company. The XT5's demo is actually 35-50 year old women 

Yah, the XTS is their grandpa car.   This is for upscale suburban moms.  

[smk4565]

I think for 2020 and moving forward 100% of Cadillacs should have standard Super Cruise, turbo engine, 9-10 speed transmission and all wheel drive.  Unless of course it is an EV.  Yesterday’s Chevrolet V6 and front drive isn’t going to do jack squat to win buyers. 

Also their interiors are behind Lincoln who still trails Volvo and the Germans and maybe Lincoln has caught up to Lexus, but that still puts Cadillac in the back of the pack.

[Cmicasa the Great]

45 minutes ago, regfootball said:

i only asked because proportionally for styling a few extra inches would look better.  GM platforms must not have any flexibility.

just judging by what i see casually in traffic its more like 50-65 yo women

Can't go by what U see all the time. I was in an area of Maryland yesterday where U wild swear that the Cruze and Malibu were the best selling vehicles in the world. 3 of every 5 cars I saw were those 

[Robert Hall]

30 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

 Yesterday’s Chevrolet V6 and front drive isn’t going to do jack squat to win buyers. 

I doubt most people that lease such CUV appliances are even aware of what is under the hood or which wheels drive it.  They aren’t car enthusiasts.  So GM’s LCD approach should suffice in this niche.  

[smk4565]

37 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I doubt most people that lease such CUV appliances are even aware of what is under the hood or which wheels drive it.  They aren’t car enthusiasts.  So GM’s LCD approach should suffice in this niche.  

Maybe so, but if they drive the Cadillac then drive any other luxury SUV they might not be as impressed with the Cadillac, even if they don't know what is under the hood.  I think a bigger problem for Cadillac (aside from brand image) is the interiors.

[ocnblu]

XT6 is nowhere near special enough to wear the crest.  I was going to say wreath and crest there for a second.

[surreal1272]

In a word, disappointing. (FWD AND only the 3.6L, that is available on almost everything GM offers). An AWD only TT V6 would change this perception. 

 

In another word, uninspiring (boring design). Too plain on the outside and the interior gets spanked by “lesser” CUVs (think Mazda CX-9).

 

That is all I have for yet another CUV that does nothing for me (Not CUV does, in fairness). 

[Robert Hall]

Surprised they aren’t offering the 2.0 also. 

[surreal1272]

The rear 1/4 of it honestly looks like an afterthought, like it was just slapped on there. I’ll take the Art and Science approach over this any day. That’s how unattractive this thing is.

[Robert Hall]

The rear 3/4 would look better without the black trim on the rear edges of the d-pillars...I guess it's there to try and make the rear window look wider, but it seems pointless.  Extending the taillights up the pillars ala Escalade would have been more interesting.

Edited January 14, 2019 by Robert Hall

[frogger]

Sad that  we can only say it is bette than the MDX and RX-L, I think those are two old designs, the MDX must be due for a full refresh within a year or two.   The Kia Telluride might be more interesting than this if they fit it with the Stinger GT motor.

 

[Paolino]

This is extremely boring!

[Suaviloquent]

It doesn't do anything new because it doesn't have to in order to be competitive. 

 

We can't blame GM for extracting the returns here to atleast continue to make excellent Camaro's and Corvettes for those that want real drivers cars, and if you want something truly baller you can get Denali and Escalade (till they still make'em CT6 and VSeries cars) which have a cachet far above the product itself offers

[daves87rs]

9 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Unusual to see a Cadillac w/ horizontal headlights..been a while.  

The kick up in the quarter window reminds of where Jeep has been going w/ recent designs like the Renegade and Compass.  I bet the next Grand Cherokee greenhouse will resemble this. 

That is very true....

[Cmicasa the Great]

1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

XT6 is nowhere near special enough to wear the crest.  I was going to say wreath and crest there for a second.

OH!!! I see your issue.. U hate change. The Wreath is dead.. for like half a decade. Sales have been up globally and has attracted a younger demo. 

[ocnblu]

11 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

OH!!! I see your issue.. U hate change. The Wreath is dead.. for like half a decade. Sales have been up globally and has attracted a younger demo. 

Nah I was just saying it is not good enough to be what a Cadillac SHOULD be.  And I think the Lincoln Aviator is a much nicer vehicle, spec wise and looks wise, because I have nothing else to go on.