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Absolutely one of the coolest cars available anywhere at any price.

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Love that photo...under a bridge somewhere..

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27 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Love that photo...under a bridge somewhere..

This is winning me back to American cars. Lexus has not upgraded the Is since the mid 2000's in a substantial way...this is impressively fresh by comparison.

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1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

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Gotta love the New Instagram marketing.

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GM really doesn't have to do anything serious to the Chassis in transitioning it to the CT5 to make it better than what BMW, Lexus, Benz, or Audi have going. I'd say that I'm betting good money that they have utilized techniques from the Omega platform to lighten AlphaII a bit and incorporate AWD this time around for the V. Let me me be clear.. my RWD 16 CTS-V is not only leaps better than my two previous '05, '09 and 12 Sigma STS and CTS-Vs, but they genuinely are better in performance and versatility than everyone of my friends or colleagues Ms, AMGs, or RSs. The only one that I feel has a leg up on the CTS-V currently is the Panamara Turbo, and that has a lot to do with the AWD and Dual Clutch. The price wasn't worth it to me.. and I the extra $50K I used towards trading my Corvette Z51 in for a Z06

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2 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

GM really doesn't have to do anything serious to the Chassis in transitioning it to the CT5 to make it better than what BMW, Lexus, Benz, or Audi have going. I'd say that I'm betting good money that they have utilized techniques from the Omega platform to lighten AlphaII a bit and incorporate AWD this time around for the V. Let me me be clear.. my RWD 16 CTS-V is not only leaps better than my two previous '05, '09 and 12 Sigma STS and CTS-Vs, but they genuinely are better in performance and versatility than everyone of my friends or colleagues Ms, AMGs, or RSs. The only one that I feel has a leg up on the CTS-V currently is the Panamara Turbo, and that has a lot to do with the AWD and Dual Clutch. The price wasn't worth it to me.. and I the extra $50K I used towards trading my Corvette Z51 in for a Z06

Cadillac needs to spend their efforts on the interior, both in materials and technology such as a voice command assistant and autonomous tech.  All wheel drive should fix the traction and handling issue, although they might want to look into a mild hybrid system or some sort of electrification for the 2020s.  

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Neither the CTS-V or the CTS V sport have available AWD.  It would have been nice for Cadillac to have included it as an option, at least on the V-Sport.

Interested to see what the new Ct4 or 5 or whatever is like, although if the interior is like the XT4, it's nice but its not luxury....

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What is more important to a V series: performance or interior luxury?  Asking for a friend.

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17 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

What is more important to a V series: performance or interior luxury?  Asking for a friend.

You need both.  The CT6 interior is about A6 or C-class level, CT5 needs to be a level above the CT6 interior to have a chance.  An E63 or M5 or RS7 has an interior better than the standard car plus performance.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

You need both.  The CT6 interior is about A6 or C-class level, CT5 needs to be a level above the CT6 interior to have a chance.  An E63 or M5 or RS7 has an interior better than the standard car plus performance.

I have to disagree with you SMK, I have NOT been impressed with the performance car interiors you stated above and feel that the V Series is on par with them. If anything, the Piano Black surface is not what people are expecting on the performance auto and more of a carbon finish which has only been out recently. 

I do agree with you and everyone else that Cadillac needs to step up their game on the interiors, but they made some poor decisions on performance interior probably by a bean counting Couch potato that has no clue about performance.

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The thing I've noticed is the performance trim versions of luxury cars all too often means dour all-gray or all-black interiors, and disgusting carbon fiber...too boring... I'd rather see more colorful, luxurious interiors w/ the performance packages (color choices in the leather, a variety of wood trim options, etc).   Audi does a good job sometimes w/ the color, though..I like this interior (would be better without the CF shit, though). 

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12 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

The thing I've noticed is the performance trim versions of luxury cars all too often means dour all-gray or all-black interiors, and disgusting carbon fiber...too boring... I'd rather see more colorful, luxurious interiors w/ the performance packages (color choices in the leather, a variety of wood trim options, etc).   Audi does a good job sometimes w/ the color, though..I like this interior (would be better without the CF shit, though). 

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Yet those that I work with that have performance auto's they just love the CF stuff and usually add more to the auto. Very crazy.

I will say that the NAV looks like an after thought to the dash and that seems to be a theme in which I agree with this story of the ugliest NAV systems at the Chicago auto show.

http://www.thedrive.com/news/26426/the-5-ugliest-infotainment-screens-of-the-2019-chicago-auto-show

Even the Lincoln new CUVs are on the list due to that ugly after thought nav screen.

They should be properly integrated into the dash.

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Yeah, I don't get the CF trim craze. I understand it is a strong yet light material, very useful in race cars for structure.  But I find the appearance revolting, would never want it exposed in an interior or exterior of a vehicle I owned.

   Alas, the tablet glued on the dash style of NAV system seems to be where the industry is going to it seems.  I prefer the integrated approach also. 

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

The thing I've noticed is the performance trim versions of luxury cars all too often means dour all-gray or all-black interiors, and disgusting carbon fiber...too boring... I'd rather see more colorful, luxurious interiors w/ the performance packages (color choices in the leather, a variety of wood trim options, etc).   Audi does a good job sometimes w/ the color, though..I like this interior (would be better without the CF $h!, though). 

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I agree, too much dark gray and black in the performance trim interiors on any brand.  The E53 actually has more interior color choices than the E63, which doesn’t make a lot of sense.

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19 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

The thing I've noticed is the performance trim versions of luxury cars all too often means dour all-gray or all-black interiors, and disgusting carbon fiber...too boring... I'd rather see more colorful, luxurious interiors w/ the performance packages (color choices in the leather, a variety of wood trim options, etc).   Audi does a good job sometimes w/ the color, though..I like this interior (would be better without the CF $h!, though). 

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I see the red interior of the CTS just as nice as the Audi.. in fact I prefer it

 

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21 hours ago, smk4565 said:

You need both.  The CT6 interior is about A6 or C-class level, CT5 needs to be a level above the CT6 interior to have a chance.  An E63 or M5 or RS7 has an interior better than the standard car plus performance.

Again U are trippin. I actually have doubts that U even seen a CT6 interior let alone spent any time in one. Now again, I can not and will not speak for the bottom trims of the CT6 as I have only ventured into the cockpits of the Premium Lux and PLatinum.. but both of those are easily on par with the 7Series, S-Class,  A8.. and beats the Jag XJ . The only time I will give the Germans an edge is the choices of colors and textures avail. Cadillac definitely needs to offer more choices in regards to colors and such, even thought I hate that BS quilted look, some see that gaudy design as luxury, where I feel like I just stepped into a Bulgarian Whore house

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I like two tone interior options w/ red, saddle tan, cream, brown, etc... color can be a great thing in an interior, just tired of dour all black or 50 shades of gray interiors...   I do like that Escala interior.   that CTS interior w/ the red and gray looks ideal for an Ohio State fan. 

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23 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

The thing I've noticed is the performance trim versions of luxury cars all too often means dour all-gray or all-black interiors, and disgusting carbon fiber...too boring... I'd rather see more colorful, luxurious interiors w/ the performance packages (color choices in the leather, a variety of wood trim options, etc).   Audi does a good job sometimes w/ the color, though..I like this interior (would be better without the CF shit, though). 

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I am so tired of all black interiors.  Its partly that way because its a cop out that the car can't be sold at a dealer unless it has a 'safe' color.  The dealer folks will say a colored interior may keep the car from being sold.  

I think this is actually a big opportunity for manufacturers to develop a custom build process then.  

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Just now, regfootball said:

 The dealer folks will say a colored interior may keep the car from being sold.   

the general buying public are so damn boring in their car color choices...

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yes, they are.  but the dealer has to pay money to hold the car in inventory on the chance someone walks in and buys it that day.  The dealer wants to make that sale immediately when the customer is on site.  And so by only offering black, they play if safe and it takes away more possible customer objections.

that's why for luxury cars, if we offer more colorful choices inside, i think it has to become a custom sort of process.

for the non sport models, cadillac actually on some trims at least has a tan and gray palette available.  that alone is a godsend.  Look at chevy.  I think 90+% of the cars on their lots are all black inside.

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4 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Again U are trippin. I actually have doubts that U even seen a CT6 interior let alone spent any time in one. Now again, I can not and will not speak for the bottom trims of the CT6 as I have only ventured into the cockpits of the Premium Lux and PLatinum.. but both of those are easily on par with the 7Series, S-Class,  A8.. and beats the Jag XJ . The only time I will give the Germans an edge is the choices of colors and textures avail. Cadillac definitely needs to offer more choices in regards to colors and such, even thought I hate that BS quilted look, some see that gaudy design as luxury, where I feel like I just stepped into a Bulgarian Whore house

If the CT6 interior was as good as a German car, and it costs $30k less, why do the 7-series and S-class outsell it here and even by wider margin in China?

I have sat in a CT6 it was at the auto show probably a mid grade one, but it is not as nice as a 5-series let alone a 7.  CT6 interior should be what Cadillac has in mind for the CT4 and work up from there.

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2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

On some cars, I like that Bulgarian Whore house look, on others not so much.

I DO prefer the French Whore house look though...

I miss the velour and puffy leather interiors of the 1970s and to a lesser extent the 1980s.

Cadillac may not need the quilted look if they do the Escala interior though. THIS is VERY classy! 

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It probably wouldn't pass the bean counter test but I second that notion. That is actually an interior concept that would translate nicely into CT6 size (or larger, hello CT7?) Caddy and would absolutely shame anything from Europe or anywhere else, for that matter.

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6 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

If the CT6 interior was as good as a German car, and it costs $30k less, why do the 7-series and S-class outsell it here and even by wider margin in China?

I have sat in a CT6 it was at the auto show probably a mid grade one, but it is not as nice as a 5-series let alone a 7.  CT6 interior should be what Cadillac has in mind for the CT4 and work up from there.

You do realize that your sales logic can be used against you here right? See Escalade sales versus anything of competing nature from Benz. Now would you say they outsell the Benz because of the much better materials and price difference? Oh, and after spending 20 miles driving a 2015 C63 AMG, I'm just going to call BS on that top notch interior non-sense. Newsflash Mercedes, don't ever make a white leather seat ever again. Simply atrocious after only three years of use (and only 29K miles on the car). Oh and don't get me started on the glued on glorified iPad on top of the dash.

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