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Posted 05 January 2010 - 08:57 PM

I like the CTS name, people know it, CTC will add confusion. But why summer of 2010 for this car, the CTS sedan came out in August of 2007, this is almost a 3 year old car as far as design and interior go. The car looks good overall, although I still like the sedan better because I don't like the coupe's rear window. The other problem I have with it, is the exhaust pipes, why are they round on a car that was drawn up with a ruler, nothing is circular on the CTS (aside from the tires), why aren't the exhaust pipes square or trapezoid shape? I think on the concept coupe they were.

Will it have Kinetic Energy Recovery System like Formula 1 cars? Aluminum body panels, carbon fiber roof? Hmm, probably not, probably weighs 4200 pounds.

Edited by smk4565, 05 January 2010 - 08:58 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:02 PM

If that's all SMK can find to gripe about, Cadillac did a pretty good job.
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:06 PM

I like the CTS name, people know it, CTC will add confusion. But why summer of 2010 for this car, the CTS sedan came out in August of 2007, this is almost a 3 year old car as far as design and interior go. The car looks good overall, although I still like the sedan better because I don't like the coupe's rear window. The other problem I have with it, is the exhaust pipes, why are they round on a car that was drawn up with a ruler, nothing is circular on the CTS (aside from the tires), why aren't the exhaust pipes square or trapezoid shape? I think on the concept coupe they were.

Will it have Kinetic Energy Recovery System like Formula 1 cars? Aluminum body panels, carbon fiber roof? Hmm, probably not, probably weighs 4200 pounds.


You probably didn't hear about the bankruptcy? It took GM longer to get it out because GM doesn't have BMW or Mercedes' deep pockets..
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:12 PM

You probably didn't hear about the bankruptcy? It took GM longer to get it out because GM doesn't have BMW or Mercedes' deep pockets..


And why do they have deep pockets? Because the E-class that is sold here for $50k is sold in the EU with a 2 litre diesel and industrial cloth seats to the cab industry.
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:23 PM

I see Cadillac had no issues with centering the pair of exhaust tips.... unlike the decade or so BMW stuck their single pipe out the rear.... MADDENINGLY off-center by about 6-7 inches (I guess this was early '80s??) God that used to annoy the hell out of me.
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 10:21 PM

You probably didn't hear about the bankruptcy? It took GM longer to get it out because GM doesn't have BMW or Mercedes' deep pockets..

GM was not bankrupt in fall of 2007 when the CTS came out, or at any time in 2008. The CTS coupe could have been out in summer of 2008, 1 year before bankruptcy.

Bankruptcy can't be used as an excuse. Everyone else is introducing new product and the competition isn't going to slow down or wait for GM to recover from their problems. Ford had financial problems also, their response was to bring their 2012-2014 products up to 2009-2012 to get ahead.

The CTS-V is fine for an mid-range Cadillac, but GM acts as if it is some ultimate achievement, and right now it is the best Cadillac has to offer. The CTS-V can't be the best Cadillac has to offer. They have to sell it at a $25,000 discount compared to the competition, what does that say about Cadillac?
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 10:28 PM

>>"GM was not bankrupt in fall of 2007 when the CTS came out, or at any time in 2008. The CTS coupe could have been out in summer of 2008, 1 year before bankruptcy."<<

That would be: 1 year before bankruptcy was declared/filed. The conditions that forced bankruptcy (ummm: no money) didn't spring out of the ground like a winter crocus the day before, you know.

>>"They have to sell it at a $25,000 discount compared to the competition, what does that say about Cadillac?"<<
That they do not feel gouging the customer is neccessary ??
Fact remains that the competition must answer 'why do they have to charge $25K MORE for a car that's no better ???'
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 10:35 PM

The CTS-V is fine for an mid-range Cadillac, but GM acts as if it is some ultimate achievement, and right now it is the best Cadillac has to offer. The CTS-V can't be the best Cadillac has to offer. They have to sell it at a $25,000 discount compared to the competition, what does that say about Cadillac?


Just a guess, but I'm thinking the CTS-V coupe will easily outgun an M6 since the sedan can spend all day shaking it's ass in an M5's face.
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Posted 06 January 2010 - 10:28 AM

Cadillac doesn't charge $25,000 less to not gouge the customer, they charge $25,000 less because the car isn't as good and no one will pay $90,000 for a CTS-V. The CTS-V has the power and speed, but at the same time, a Mustang GT is faster than a CTS 3.6, but that doesn't mean the Ford isn't better than the Cadillac. The Mustang costs $15,000 less for a reason. BMW and Mercedes charge what they do because they have a good product that people are willing to pay for, not to gouge customers.
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Posted 06 January 2010 - 10:38 AM

Just a guess, but I'm thinking the CTS-V coupe will easily outgun an M6 since the sedan can spend all day shaking it's ass in an M5's face.

But what of the new M5? It has KERS, which comes from this:
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Edited by smk4565, 06 January 2010 - 10:39 AM.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 10:41 AM

And why do they have deep pockets? Because the E-class that is sold here for $50k is sold in the EU with a 2 litre diesel and industrial cloth seats to the cab industry.

I fail to see the logic there... Are you comparing those two examples you gave in any way? I'll have to check MSRPs, but I'd say you in the US probably get cheaper Mercedes (thinking in terms of comparable specs) than we do in Europe.


I don't see eye to eye with SMK on a lot of things he posts, but in one aspect he is spot-on: Cadillac does not have pricing power, the Germans have.

Edited by ZL-1, 06 January 2010 - 10:43 AM.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 12:46 PM

If you convert pounds to dollars, in England, a 530i is $56,800 and an E350 is $60,600. In Germany, the E200 starts at 39,000 Euro, which is $56,000 to us. The E350 starts at $51,000 Euro, which is $73,000 for us. The S500 in Germany is 100,000 Euro, or $144,000. Benz commands a price premium anywhere in the world.
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Posted 06 January 2010 - 04:37 PM

Will it have Kinetic Energy Recovery System like Formula 1 cars? Aluminum body panels, carbon fiber roof? Hmm, probably not, probably weighs 4200 pounds.


0-60 in 3.9 seconds. Let it weigh 4200lbs.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 09:32 PM

smk4565 ~ >>"Cadillac doesn't charge $25,000 less to not gouge the customer, they charge $25,000 less because the car isn't as good and no one will pay $90,000 for a CTS-V."<<
How do you KNOW this ? This segment is all about performance, and the CTS-V is the highest performance sedan in it's class. Why else would anyone pay the most in this class if not for the most performance ??

Still, if you actually believed this (>>"they charge $25,000 less because the car isn't as good"<<) & were consistant, you would never mention the hyundai V-8 genesis, since it costs $25K less than the CTS-V.

>>"BMW and Mercedes charge what they do because they have a good product that people are willing to pay for, not to gouge customers."<<
Really? What is the per car profit on an M5 ??
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Posted 06 January 2010 - 10:22 PM



0-60 in 3.9 seconds. Let it weigh 4200lbs.

+1. It's a Cadillac...I expect/demand heft in a Cadillac. It's not a Lotus..
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