[enzl]

With all due respect, anectodal reports is not evidence...I haven't heard of any tranny problems on the first 50 out the door...

[Polish_Kris]

Toyota=Maker of great cars, however, the worst dealerships in North America!

[Polish_Kris]

HAHAHA toyota!

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Sounds like they are trying to cut some corners so they can produce more and sell them to old people, tisk tisk toyota!

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DOWN WITH TOYOTA!!!!

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How old are you?

[sciguy_0504]

With all due respect, anectodal reports is not evidence...I haven't heard of any tranny problems on the first 50 out the door...

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The reports of new Camrys being held up at the Toronto compound so the problem could be fixed were from a reliable source.

[ponchoman49]

Check out Edmunds consumer writeups on the 07 Camry and Avalon. Lots of people in there complaining about ruff shifting trannys and even a couple of failures.

[Cortazzo]

But their interiors are so nice! :-P My folks each had a lexus from 01-04, my moms, an RX was of surprisingly poor quality. Neither of them cared for the dealer experience and have gotten different brands of cars now. Toyota isn't beyond reproach, you notice they are actively advertising their quality REPUTATION, where they didn't 3-4+ years ago. They have to advertise reputation because their quality scores for the toyota brand aren't out of the park anymore. They are on the peak of their rise, and will probably level off or decline as people realize that other cars of both import and domestic persuasion are just as reliable if not more so.

[Mr.Krinkle]

great, more moving parts...these are all untested waters with regards to tranns with 6 or eight gears. thats a lot of parts. wouldnt it be funny if everyone starts clammoring for the 4 speed.

what they call poetic justice.

8 gears--even six--in a "family" car (mover). they get what they deserve i guess.

where we all going anyway we need 12 gears. shit, the supermarkets 3 or 4 blocks away...ok maybe a mile or two depending where you live.

im more than pleased with my smooth shifteing four. everone else, let me know how the six and eights are.

gm got lambasted for getting to ahead of themselves. 468 rin a bell?

this is getting more interesting every day now.

[I hope GMRULES again]

great, more moving parts...these are all untested waters with regards to tranns with 6 or eight gears.  thats a lot of parts.  wouldnt it be funny if everyone starts clammoring for the 4 speed.

what they call poetic justice.

8 gears--even six--in a "family" car (mover).  they get what they deserve i guess.

where we all going anyway we need 12 gears.  shit,  the supermarkets 3 or 4 blocks away...ok maybe a mile or two depending where you live.

im more than pleased with my smooth shifteing four.  everone else, let me know how the six and eights are.

gm got lambasted for getting to ahead of themselves.  468 rin a bell? 

this is getting more interesting every day now.

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So true. Sooner or later the HP and transmision gear war has to end. Who would of thought we'd have cars with more gears than cylinders.

[Ravenfreak13]

So true. Sooner or later the HP and transmision gear war has to end. Who would of thought we'd have cars with more gears than cylinders.

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you are so right...how many slopy hills are people going to go up in a camry....gimme a break...lose all the gears...it just costs more when you have to fix it.

[Dodgefan]

I think 5 gears a la Chrysler/Dodge is a good number too have. Is it true that the Bently Arnage has a 4-speed?

This post has been edited by Dodgefan: 19 April 2006 - 12:17 AM

[sciguy_0504]

I think the Bentley used to, Dodgefan. I am not sure if it has been updated.

[boblutzfan]

I'm not going to bash Toyota over their new six-speed until the GM six-speed hits the market and is trouble free.

[Mr.Krinkle]

they say thats what people want but as long as they offer a choice of tranns i know id rather have a 4 or even 5. for now anyway.

i just cant see shifting so many times just to stop at the next red light.

[Cremazie]

they say thats what people want but as long as they offer a choice of tranns i know id rather have a 4 or even 5.  for now anyway.

i just cant see shifting so many times just to stop at the next red light.

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I agree, as long as a car has a good gear ratio down low and a tall gear for highway I am good with it.

[76ChevyTrucker]

You know, part of me thinks that the people designing transmissions in today's cars and trucks were all OTR (over-the-road) truck drivers at some point.....I mean you don't EVER need 6-gears for a family car, unless its a highly stripped, very powerful, higly modified family car. Think of it, asside from your local Frieghtliner, Peterbuilt, or Kenworth, what else needs a ba-jillion gears to get it moving?

[Paolino]

I'm not going to bash Toyota over their new six-speed until the GM six-speed hits the market and is trouble free.

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I'm just wondering what the media will do at the first sign of a problem with GM's 6-speed... if there is one.

[Oldsmoboi]

All it means when you have a transmission with 6 speeds is that you have a car with a crappy torque curve.

A 1957 Buick with a Dynaflow 1-speed transmission and no overdrive could do 0-60 in the mid-7s.

[boblutzfan]

All it means when you have a transmission with 6 speeds is that you have a car with a crappy torque curve.

A 1957 Buick with a Dynaflow 1-speed transmission and no overdrive could do  0-60 in the mid-7s.

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I wonder what the gas mileage was on that car? Also, what was top speed? Don't make too many blanket statements... I think the Corvette has a six speed and its torque curve is great... That CTS - V in your signature also has a six speed. In fact there is a long list of cars that offer six speeds that have great torque curves. If more gears will help achieve better economy and not sacrifice performance then I am all for them. Some cars to dispell your notion of six speeds = "crappy torque curves":

Lexus LS430
Cadillac STS V
Cadillac CTS V
Cadillac XLR V
Corvette
Corvette ZO6
Cadillac Escalade
GMC Denali
Mercedes S Class
BMW 7 series
Dodge Viper
Toyota Avalon

We all know that these cars would perform better (both economy and acceleration) if they had more forward gears:

Buick Lacrosse
Buick Lucerne
Cadillac DTS
Chevy Impala SS
Chevy Tahoe
Chrysler 300 STR-8
Pontiac G6
Pontiac GP

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[Oldsmoboi]

I wonder what the gas mileage was on that car?  Also, what was top speed?  Don't make too many blanket statements... I think the Corvette has a six speed and its torque curve is great...  That CTS - V in your signature also has a six speed.

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Not too sure of the top speed was but the top speed was Chassy/tire limited rather then drive train limited. Ever try to drive a car with Bias ply tires over 65 miles an hour? Any cop that didn't know better would pull you over for drunk driving.

As far as the mileage, I don't know about new, but in 2004 we clocked 23mpg on a trip from Pittsburgh, PA to Richmond VA and back. We both felt that was remarkable for a nearly 50 year old car.

The Corvette and CTS-V are performance cars and need every bit of speed advantage they can get. You'll notice that both of them have that skip shift feature to help them with fuel efficiency, effectively turning them into 4-speeds under normal driving.

What we're talking about here is excessive number of speeds for a pair of sedate family sedans. I highly doubt that either the Camry's or Avalon's performance would suffer that greatly by having a 5-speed rather then a 6-speed.

The transmission war above 5-speeds is just a penis wagging contest.

[Oldsmoboi]

I wonder what the gas mileage was on that car?  Also, what was top speed?  Don't make too many blanket statements... I think the Corvette has a six speed and its torque curve is great...  That CTS - V in your signature also has a six speed.  In fact there is a long list of cars that offer six speeds that have great torque curves.  If more gears will help achieve better economy and not sacrifice performance then I am all for them.  Some cars to dispell your notion of six speeds = "crappy torque curves":

Lexus LS430
Cadillac STS V
Cadillac CTS V
Cadillac XLR V
Corvette
Corvette ZO6
Cadillac Escalade
GMC Denali
Mercedes S Class
BMW 7 series
Dodge Viper
Toyota Avalon

We all know that these cars would perform better (both economy and acceleration) if they had more forward gears:

Buick Lacrosse
Buick Lucerne
Cadillac DTS
Chevy Impala SS
Chevy Tahoe
Chrysler 300 STR-8
Pontiac G6
Pontiac GP

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Oh geeze, they're mostly performance cars. All in the penis wagging segment. The fact that the Supercharged Riviera and Buick Roadmaster with the LT-1 are both sub 8 second cars with huge curbweights while using low<er> horsepower, high torque engines with 4-speeds proves that you can have great performance and still have a 4-speed. The Roadmaster and Riv were both good for about 27mpg. They were both designed in the early 90s.

A CVT is a tranmission with an infinate number of speeds. That makes them great for an engine with a poor torque curve. Remarkably they're also only cars with low torque because of durability issues.