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    New York 2019: 2020 Hyundai Sonata

      A big bold update over the conservative current model.

    Hyundai has released pictures of the next generation 2020 Hyundai Sonata about a month ahead of the cars formal debut at the New York International Auto Show.  This eighth generation Sonata is an all-new design that is much bolder than the rather conservative model currently on sale.   The new design theme is called Sensuous Sportiness.

    The new car is larger than the outgoing model by 1 inch in width, 1.4 inches in wheelbase, and 1.8 inches in length. Hyundai has made efforts to improve the premium feel of the cabin.  The dash has a minimalist feel to it while the dash cluster and infotainment system are fully digital. 

    One notable feature is the daytime running lamps.  When illuminated, the lights run on a strip up the outer seams of the hood, but when switched off they appear as pieces of chrome trims. Hyundai calls them Hidden Lighting Lamps.  The Sonata will also feature a digital key that will allow drivers to use their smartphone to unlock and start the car.

    No word yet on powertrains.

    The 2020 Sonata will debut at the New York Auto Show in April and will go on sale later this year.

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    Noice...greenhouse reminds me of the LaCrosse.  Interesting lighting details front and rear.  Nice interior. 

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    9 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Noice...greenhouse reminds me of the LaCrosse.  Interesting lighting details front and rear.  Nice interior. 

    My first reaction was strongly negative....but the more I look at it the more I like it.

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    I am not crazy about exterior design, seems all over the place.  But LED looks cool and the interior looks very nice.  At least they are still going to make a sedan.

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    17 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Dare I say... this looks just as good as the Arteon

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    It really does. This is a pretty dang good looking vehicle. They didn't try and do too much and they didn't pull a typical VW and make it bland.

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    VW started the Fight, then Hyundai won the war.

    Exterior looks good for both, but once you move inside, Hyundai has a superior looking interior IMHO.

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    Wow, Hyundai has been desperately trying to get me into a new vehicle and I kept saying there's nothing I really want and I wanted to lower my payments off the Genesis if I was going to stay in a lease... if this comes out in time, I'd lease a limited trim of this.

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    I prefer the VW front and rear end and steering wheel, but other than that the Hyundai seems just as nice, that dash looks class leading.  Powertrain will will be the weak point.

     

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    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    VW started the Fight, then Hyundai won the war.

    Exterior looks good for both, but once you move inside, Hyundai has a superior looking interior IMHO.

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    The steering wheel itself is the only thing that sticks out as a negative for the Hyundai. Everything else looks way better. 

    28 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Two new midsize sedans in a shrinking market, nice to see.  I wonder when the next gen Mondeo will be seen...

    Isn't the Arteon larger? I thought the Passat was the mid-size car. 

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    The steering wheel itself is the only thing that sticks out as a negative for the Hyundai. Everything else looks way better. 

    Isn't the Arteon larger? I thought the Passat was the mid-size car. 

    Passat and Arteon are pretty close in size. Not enough difference to be significant.  Passat is a big mid-size.

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    3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    The steering wheel itself is the only thing that sticks out as a negative for the Hyundai. Everything else looks way better. 

    Isn't the Arteon larger? I thought the Passat was the mid-size car. 

    Arteon is a bit smaller than the US Passat but a bit larger than the Euro Passat. 

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    19 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Arteon is a bit smaller than the US Passat but a bit larger than the Euro Passat. 

    Talk about a confusing mess. Bigger but smaller so does that mean it is just right? :P 

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    Just now, dfelt said:

    Talk about a confusing mess. Bigger but smaller so does that mean it is just right? :P 

    Euro and US Passats are different sizes. 

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    This is daring design done right. Bravo, Hyundai. Almost makes up for the wretched new Elantra. Almost.

     

    As for comparisons to the Arteon, I don't think there will be a tremendous amount of cross-shopping the 2, but I could be wrong. I think the Arteon looks better. Hyundai could have usurped it in the interior department however. Refinement and performance is typically where Hyundais lose out big, and I would expect it to be no different here. I don't foresee a Sonata model that will approach the top  spec Arteon performance wise. Plus the Arteon will offer AWD.


    Still, nice to see Hyundai doing this. If the popularity of CUV's means more sedans like this- ones willing to take some risks and really separate themselves, it might not be so bad.

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    Arteon also has the "hatchback" thing going for it.

    On VW Canada's site you can build and price the Arteon, as long as it is the Execline AWD model for 48 grand... Or about what a Stinger GT or base A5 Sportback go for.

     

     

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    10 minutes ago, frogger said:

    Arteon also has the "hatchback" thing going for it.

    On VW Canada's site you can build and price the Arteon, as long as it is the Execline AWD model for 48 grand... Or about what a Stinger GT or base A5 Sportback go for.

     

     

    The Arteon will top out right around 44-45K in the US market.

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    This new Sonata looks amazing inside and out.  Total home run here.  The styling is great, and it isn't just some rip off of other peoples styling cues like a lot of past Hyundai/Genesis cars have done.  Yes it looks a bit like an Arteon, but it looks way better in my opinion, VW's mostly look bland, even when they try to be bold.   Interior of the new Sonata looks best in class.  

    The 2011 Sonata was a game changer when it came out, it was a standout in the marketplace, then the current generation really dropped the ball and looked like a bland rental car, this is a total 180 from that, well done to Hyundai here.  This to me looks like the best car under $40k and I bet it starts under $25k.

    Keep in mind the Sonata is probably $10k less than an Arteon, VW is screwed.

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    7 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Dare I say... this looks just as good as the Arteon

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    the very first thing i thought.

    this 2020 sonata looked fresh for about an hour.  And now it already looks faux to me.

     

    Still better than that hot mess camry though

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    13 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    the very first thing i thought.

    this 2020 sonata looked fresh for about an hour.  And now it already looks faux to me.

     

    Still better than that hot mess camry though

    So then VW Arteon is really ancient.

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    I tend to be slower than most here to welcome most design changes but this one looks good.

    - Front fascia is bold yet doesn't look like an "angry appliance"

    - Rear fascia is somewhat Volvo

    - Side view is LaCrosse and Malibu, but without a weird moulding kink in the C-pillar

    - Dashboard nicely melds a lot of items in the info zone without the "laptop left open" look

    - Hooray ... this one has a tan interior and not everything on the dash or the door panels is black, which is the cheapskate way out ... instead, they merged tan and black bits nicely

    Hyundai has really gotten some momentum and even the strong step up in its baseline Accent, from being sort of dowdy, is worthy of a look.

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    I am a fan of the whole DRL's turning into chrome accents deal..... I am not a huge fan of how Hyundai applied it here, but to each his own.  The interior is nicely done. 

    My friend has a '17 and it isn't that bad, really. 

    I am sure they will sell well for Hyundai.

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    On 3/6/2019 at 6:25 PM, regfootball said:

    Still better than that hot mess camry though

    I had a Camry as a rental within the last few years.  For one day.  It idled so erratically (about 29,000 miles) that I thought it would conk out.  I got it changed.  For the remainder of the trip, I was given a Verano.  The lady at the counter told me she would be giving me a Veracruz!  So, that made for a big laugh (when I saw a Verano in the numbered parking spot) and a much nicer car for the rest of my rental.

    I hated the Camry's dash and console.  I didn't warm up to that car.

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    On 3/12/2019 at 12:07 PM, Drew Dowdell said:

    Better than the G80, yes.  Not as handsome as the G90 though. 

    The G70 is a different class and attitude. 

    Then Genesis needs to upgrade the G80 Interior.  The G70 could use it too.

     

    As for the Sonata, did anyone tell Hyundai that non-luxury sedan sales are in the tank and still falling?

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    There is still a market for sedans whether that market is shrinking or not. 

    The 2020 Sonata is a looker and the interior looks like it actually could be a luxury sedan...so Id say that Hyundai and its 2020 Sonata has a very good chance of being a top seller in that shrinking sedan segment.  Why concede that to the other players? Especially when it looks like the Sonata WILL be a winner. 

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    14 hours ago, riviera74 said:

    Then Genesis needs to upgrade the G80 Interior.  The G70 could use it too.

     

    As for the Sonata, did anyone tell Hyundai that non-luxury sedan sales are in the tank and still falling?

    I think Hyundai's thought process is that there will still always be a sedan market, and they want to be the default choice as the other manufacturer retreat.  Kinda where the Pacifica and Odyssey are for the minivan market today. 

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      The heart of the ID.4 is a battery pack comprised of 288 pouch cells in 12 modules, positioned in the underbody to create a low center of gravity for optimal driving dynamics as well as extremely well-balanced weight distribution. It is housed in a lightweight aluminum structure that is bolted to the frame, helping to improve rigidity.
      At launch, the vehicle will be offered with an 82kWh (gross) battery and a rear-mounted AC permanent-magnet synchronous motor with 201 horsepower and 228 pound-feet of torque. Volkswagen estimates that the ID.4 82kWh RWD 1st Edition models will have a range of 250 miles with a full charge on the EPA cycle. A powerful, electric all-wheel-drive variant with 302 hp will follow later in 2021.
      The ID.4 also comes with three years of fast charging with Electrify America at no additional cost, helping to reduce range anxiety. The ID.4 can be charged with both alternating current (AC) and direct current (DC) fast-charging capability. The 11 kW onboard charger allows the ID.4 to charge the battery 33 miles in about one hour, and charges to full in around seven and a half hours at a home or public Level 2 charger. At a DC fast-charging station, with 125 kW charging, the ID.4 can go from five to 80 percent charged in about 38 minutes.
      Chassis
      The ID.4 is designed to be strong, yet agile. The chassis and body are made from steel. The front suspension is a strut-type with lower control arms, coil springs, telescopic dampers and anti-roll bar. In the rear, the ID.4 uses a multi-link rear axle with coil springs, telescopic dampers and an anti-roll bar. With 3.5 turns lock-to-lock and a stellar curb-to-curb turning radius of 33.5 feet, the ID.4 feels nimble, especially among other compact SUVs.
      A combination of brake types is used on ID.4. It features disc brakes on the front wheels and drum brakes on the rear—the difference being specific to electric vehicle needs. As EVs rely on regenerative braking, disc brakes on the rear can be less effective than drums after long periods of not being put to heavy use.
      Exterior
      Like the platform, the design of ID.4 represents a move towards the future with a nod to the past. At the front, the Volkswagen logo is able to be positioned centrally because there is no radiator grille, as it was on the Beetle. Large LED headlights flow backwards, hinting at the aerodynamic nature of the car, while a sculpted front bumper with large intake-like scoops and honeycomb accents give the car a powerful presence. Models fitted with the Statement package add an illuminated Volkswagen logo and an illuminated light line that stretches outward from it, creating a striking light signature.
      Front to back, clean, flowing lines alternate with crisp edges for a refined, yet futuristic look. A softly molded side section curves under the crisp rising shoulder line and flush illuminated door handles. The low greenhouse runs out into a strong C-pillar—a classic Volkswagen design feature—and into a long spoiler. The ID.4’s aerodynamically refined exterior helps it achieve an excellent drag coefficient of 0.28.
      The ID.4 sits squarely in the middle of the compact SUV segment, size-wise. It is 4.6 inches shorter than the Volkswagen Tiguan, at 180.5 inches, with a 0.9 inch shorter wheelbase at 108.9 inches. It is 1.9 inches lower than Tiguan at 64.4 inches high for the rear-wheel drive model, and 0.5 inches wider, at 72.9 inches.
      The ID.4 will available in six exterior colors—Glacier White Metallic, Mythos Black Metallic, Moonstone Grey, Scale Silver Metallic, Blue Dusk Metallic and King’s Red Metallic. All models come with a body color roof, black roof rails, and 19-inch aluminum alloy wheels. The Statement package adds a panoramic fixed-glass roof, premium LED projector headlights with Volkswagen’s Adaptive Front-lighting System (AFS) and power-folding side mirrors with puddle lamp signature, while the Gradient package (sold on top of the Statement package) upgrades to 20-inch wheels, black roof, and silver roof rails and accents.
      Interior
      Volkswagen’s first fully-electric SUV features ample space and a modern design. Passenger volume is similar to the Tiguan despite the overall smaller footprint, with 99.9 cubic feet total. Legroom is a comfortable 41.1 inches for front passengers and 37.6 inches in the rear seat. Cargo volume is 30.3 cubic feet behind the second row, and 64.2 cubic feet with the seats folded.
      The interior of the ID.4 mirrors the futuristic look of the exterior, with functionality almost completely controlled by touch or voice control. The 5.3-inch ID.Cockpit (digital driver display) replaces the traditional instrument cluster and is operated with touch-sensitive controls on the leather-wrapped multifunction heated steering wheel. Three tiles show the most important information, with the display for battery status and range underneath. The traditional gearshift is replaced by a large rocker switch on the right of the ID.Cockpit, and a control panel to the left of the steering wheel integrates the lighting functions, including automatic headlights.
      A 10-inch Discover Pro touch infotainment display is located in the middle of the dash panel, angled slightly towards the driver. This screen can be configured to driver preference, and manages the standard navigation system, all telematics, entertainment, driver-assistance systems and vehicle settings; it is upgraded to a 12-inch Discover Pro Max infotainment display with the Statement package. Menus can be moved using gesture control, simply swiping one’s hand in front of the screen. Sliders for volume and temperature adjustment are located on the inclined surface below the display.
      “Hello ID.” natural voice control is standard in the ID.4. The car follows the instructions spoken by the driver and passengers and is capable of understanding many commands from everyday language, such as “Hello ID., I’m cold” to turn up the heat.
      The ID.4 will feature ID. Light—a light strip below the windshield to support drivers in a host of situations with intuitive lighting effects in different colors and sound prompts. For example, ID. Light signals to the driver that the vehicle’s drive system is active and that the car has been unlocked or locked. It accentuates information issued by some of the driver-assistance and navigation systems and signals, both visually and acoustically, details like charge status indicator, braking prompts and incoming phone calls.
      The steering wheel, steering column, and the housings for the display and control panels in the doors are finished in Piano Black. Seats in the ID.4 are finished in black cloth on entry models and Lunar Gray or Galaxy Black leatherette on models with the Statement package. Entry ID.4 models feature six-way adjustable seats with power recline, while the Statement package adds 12-way power seats, with massage lumbar and memory, as well as 30-color ambient lighting.
      ID.4 offers a range of comfort and convenience features found throughout the rest of the brand’s lineup. Standard features include rain-sensing wipers, auto-dimming rearview mirror, dual-zone Climatronic® climate control, and KESSY® keyless access. To manage cold temperatures, the ID.4 features a standard heated steering wheel, heated side mirrors and washer nozzles, and, on all-wheel-drive models, a heated windshield. The Statement package adds SiriusXM® satellite radio with a three-month trial, an adjustable trunk floor, and a power tailgate with Easy Open & Close.
      To complete the high-tech package, ID.4 offers standard wireless mobile charging, wireless App-Connect, and Volkswagen Car-Net® with in-car WiFi capability when you subscribe to a data plan. Car-Net Hotspot allows passengers to access the internet with up to four connected devices simultaneously, including tablets, smartphones, laptops, gaming devices, and more—all at 4G LTE-enabled speed.
      Safety & Driver Assistance Technology
      To help protect occupants, the ID.4 provides a combination of both passive and active safety systems. It features six airbags as standard—front and side airbags for front passengers, and side curtain airbags for outboard seating positions. Additionally there are a number of electronic safety systems, such as an Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) and Electronic Stability Control (ESC).
      With regards to the battery, an extruded aluminum frame protects the battery system against damage in the event of a crash, and a replaceable aluminum underbody panel protects the battery against the road. Additionally, the battery is also disabled if the vehicle is involved in a serious accident.
      With the standard IQ.DRIVE® advanced driver assistance technology, all ID.4 models include Forward Collision Warning and Autonomous Emergency Braking with Pedestrian Monitoring (Front Assist); Blind Spot Monitor (Side Assist); Rear Traffic Alert; Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC); Lane Keeping System (Lane Assist); Travel Assist; and Emergency Assist. In addition to IQ.DRIVE features, the ID.4 includes Dynamic Road Sign Display; Park Distance Control; and High Beam Control (Light Assist).
      Pricing & Sales
      Pricing for the ID.4 starts at $39,995, for the rear-wheel-drive ID.4 Pro (available in the first quarter of 2021), before a potential Federal tax credit of up to $7,500 is applied. With those credits, the entry price of ID.4 is on par with the 2021 Tiguan SEL.  For highly qualified customers through Volkswagen Credit, the monthly lease payment for a 36-month lease with 10,000 miles a year, is $379 per month with $3,579 due at signing, excluding tax, title, license, options and dealer fees.
      Starting later in 2021, the ID.4 AWD Pro ($43,695) will be available. Both Pro models carry largely the same equipment, with AWD models putting out 302 hp, and adding a heated windshield and tow hitch. These models can be additionally outfitted with two packages—Statement ($4,500), and Gradient ($1,500), which is only offered with Statement.
      The ID.4 launches with a limited-run ID.4 1st Edition (MSRP $43,995). The 1st Edition models feature the same content as the Pro model, and Statement package (minus illuminated VW logo) and Gradient package come standard. These models also include unique features including accelerator and brake pedals with “play” and “pause” logos, the steering wheel and column, radio bezel and door island finished in Electric White, 1st Edition badging, black mirror caps, and a tow hitch.
      Volkswagen plans to offer the ID.4 electric vehicle across all 50 states, and throughout its network of more than 600 dealers. A reservation platform debuts today on VW.com, allowing customers to reserve an ID.4 before it hits dealer showrooms, with a fully refundable $100 reservation fee. As vehicle production starts, reservation holders will be invited to confirm their order with an additional fully refundable $400 vehicle deposit. From placing a reservation, to production and through delivery, the customer can see where they stand and when they can expect their ID. 4 to arrive at their preferred local VW dealer in a simple, transparent process. At that time, the customer can transact with their dealer and complete their purchase.
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      Taking the place of the Toyota 86 this week at the Cheers & Gears' Detroit bureau is the 2020 Hyundai Sonata Limited. A car which I have been wanting to drive since it made its North American debut last spring at the New York Auto Show. The new model solves one of the biggest criticisms I had with the last-generation model, a very boring and plain design. Taking it out last night, I was noticing people glancing at this midsize sedan.
      Power comes from a turbocharged 1.6L four-cylinder producing 180 horsepower and 195 pound-feet of torque. This is paired with an eight-speed automatic. The as-tested price is a surprising $34,465 considering what you get on this including Smart Park, 10.25-inch touchscreen, heads-up display, heated/cooled seats, and more.
      Some first impressions,
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    • By William Maley
      Taking the place of the Toyota 86 this week at the Cheers & Gears' Detroit bureau is the 2020 Hyundai Sonata Limited. A car which I have been wanting to drive since it made its North American debut last spring at the New York Auto Show. The new model solves one of the biggest criticisms I had with the last-generation model, a very boring and plain design. Taking it out last night, I was noticing people glancing at this midsize sedan.
      Power comes from a turbocharged 1.6L four-cylinder producing 180 horsepower and 195 pound-feet of torque. This is paired with an eight-speed automatic. The as-tested price is a surprising $34,465 considering what you get on this including Smart Park, 10.25-inch touchscreen, heads-up display, heated/cooled seats, and more.
      Some first impressions,
      Hyundai has provided an Android smartphone (Samsung Galaxy Note 8) so various writers can try the digital key, which allows a smartphone to take the place of the actual key. I haven't tried it in place of the key yet, but I'm having some confidence issues with it. Whenever I try to connect the phone with car from inside the house, it cannot find the vehicle. I know I'm within range - 10 meters or 32 feet. So far, I have been able to connect with the vehicle once. The interior in my Limited tester is very impressive. Handsome design, quality materials, and roomy. Fuel economy is one area I wasn't expecting to be this good - currently seeing around 33 mpg. I'll have more updates throughout the Sonata's stay, including Smart Park and Digital Key. In the meantime, drop your questions below.



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