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Spy Photos 2008 Dodge Challenger

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Or displeasure. I'm only seeing one picture..

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How exciting. :rolleyes:

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Cool! I don't know what the deal is with them saying that the R/T's are already sold out at $50K a pop?? <_< That doesn't make sense on a few levels.

First, how can they sell a car that isn't even finalized, and aren't taking orders for?

Second, I don't really see how it could go for $50k, even if the R/T is the 6.1L HEMI with 425 HP.......unless the R/T will have the new SRT motor that is supposed to put out over 500 HP!?.....but then will there be an SRT model that goes for more than $50K?? I doubt it.

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Who would ever pay $50k for this? A Corvette with a few options can be had for less than that.

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I'd buy one in a heartbeat...but not for 50K..not for a Dodge

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Everyone is so down on this being a $50,000 Dodge. 50K is too much for ANY muscle car, regardless how how well-equipped it is. Doing that is to miss one of the fundamental draws to muscle cars...to be affordable to most people.

Even the starting price is too much...a starting price of $31,000 is ridiculous.

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I still hear "Dodge" and I still think of Al Bundy... :AH-HA_wink:

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Yeah, because RWD American muscle cars with 500 HP aren't exciting......... :rolleyes:

When a car does nothing in terms of progressing design, I (and countless others) consider it boring.

The Challenger is the least exciting model to debut in years. We've literally seen it all before.

How unoriginal can DCX get?

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The old guys in my family happen to love this car... mostly because it hearkens back to the good ol' days, when vehicles had some essence of soul.

My Dad likes the new Camaro... but at the Auto Show, I literally had to pull him away from the Challanger. It may not 'progress' design, but it certainly is making a statement that vehicles today are f*ckin' boring to look at.

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When a car does nothing in terms of progressing design, I (and countless others) consider it boring.

The Challenger is the least exciting model to debut in years. We've literally seen it all before.

How unoriginal can DCX get?

I agree 110%

The old guys in my family happen to love this car... mostly because it hearkens back to the good ol' days, when vehicles had some essence of soul.

My Dad likes the new Camaro... but at the Auto Show, I literally had to pull him away from the Challanger. It may not 'progress' design, but it certainly is making a statement that vehicles today are f*ckin' boring to look at.

If Dodge is copying the "soul" they had from 35 years ago, what is that saying about their designers now? That they can't design for &#036;h&#33;. Time for a new panel of creative thinkers, eh?

I don't see why people think this car is amazing. I think of Dodge and I can't get past the plastic interior and crap engineering that my parents faced with their last three Dodge vehicles. I mean, all vehicles differ and we'll have to see this Challenger on a lot to actually check it out, but I'm jumping the ball and saying it's going to lack refinement and have terrible gas mileage. Now, I know it's got 425+ HP and all that hooplah, but if it can't get 25 MPG highway, what's that saying? And I just can't get past the point that it looks 35 years old and it hasn't even hit showrooms yet.

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I actually like the Challenger, maybe more than the Camaro (which I really only like in vert form) but 0 n0zerz I spi teh b-pill@rz through teh windeez oh teh suxxorzz!!!!!11111oneoneoneeleventy

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DOdgefan and I were just discussing the possibility of the B-pillars on

the "production ready" chassis being just another way to get press &

generate excitement over this car... now with the disguised C/B pillar

area I think that might be a possibility.

If this car, same as the Camaro, are not hardtops I just might stick to

my "nothing newer than 1979" rule for many years to come.

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When a car does nothing in terms of progressing design, I (and countless others) consider it boring.

The Challenger is the least exciting model to debut in years. We've literally seen it all before.

How unoriginal can DCX get?

I know, RIGHT?

I see about two dozen of them on my way to work every day.

Most of them 1970/1971s. God damn Mopar for going retro, I

would much rather see ANOTHER Camry Solara LE than some

RWD, Mustang-stomping, asphalt ripping musclke car. :rolleyes: :AH-HA_wink:

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I actually prefer the looks of this to the Camaro....and I'd get this over a Camaro.

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I am on both sides of the fence here. On one hand we have the new thinkers who brought us the Calliber...and then we have the retro studio who brought us a Xerox of a 1970's Challeger with computer tweaking for the 21st century. When I look at the new stuff, I cringe. When I look at the Challenger, I smile. It is cool, Retromodern. It captures what Dodge was. But I will not buy it. Not at those prices. ( MAYBE in Plum Crazy or Sublime Green if I was a multi-millionaire...)

When I look at the Camaro, I instantly see Camaro, not a '69, not an '86, and not an '02 - but a Camaro. Sure the lines resemble a '69, but if you park them side by side, you will be able to see the huge difference between the cars. Plus, the promise of the LS3 and other hot engines that provide power and economy ( something the Hemi or the Ford has NOT been able to do ), The Camaro is the no brainer choice. I am already in line for one.

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I too like this better the the Camaro. The new camaro in convertible form is nice but the car wants to be a 69 and a 07 and missus both. The Dodge delivers there (more 70-07 ). That said I think it is exciting that all the US companies will be back in the game...Mustang/ Camaro/ Challenger.

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When a car does nothing in terms of progressing design, I (and countless others) consider it boring.

The Challenger is the least exciting model to debut in years. We've literally seen it all before.

How unoriginal can DCX get?

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Pretty original to me.

I agree 110%

If Dodge is copying the "soul" they had from 35 years ago, what is that saying about their designers now? That they can't design for &#036;h&#33;. Time for a new panel of creative thinkers, eh?

I don't see why people think this car is amazing. I think of Dodge and I can't get past the plastic interior and crap engineering that my parents faced with their last three Dodge vehicles. I mean, all vehicles differ and we'll have to see this Challenger on a lot to actually check it out, but I'm jumping the ball and saying it's going to lack refinement and have terrible gas mileage. Now, I know it's got 425+ HP and all that hooplah, but if it can't get 25 MPG highway, what's that saying? And I just can't get past the point that it looks 35 years old and it hasn't even hit showrooms yet.

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We go over this time and time again, and I suppose we need to go over it once more. The Challenger was designed the way it was because of the Charger. When the Charger debuted there was bitching and moaning that it wasn't retro, wasn't a coupe, and didn't "look like a Charger" (although this is the best looking Charger IMO).

To appease these people, who want a retro, 2-door muscle car that "looks like it should" they created this. It's everything the Charger isn't in terms of design, and what people wanted. In addition,

I (and countless others)

(including people on this very thread)

consider it to be excellent looking, carrying the spirit of the Challenger, with odern proportions. It isn't a carbon copy of the original. It's very retro to be sure, but the proportions are very modern, as is the [concept's] interior.

So, for those who want a modern, practical muscle car, we have the Charger, and for those who want a retro, 2-door muscle car, we have teh Charger.

I for one love both the Camaro and Challenger designs, for different reasons. I love Chevrolet's modern take on the car, but I love Dodge's retro take on the Challenger. They took different takes on their icons, and neither one is bad.

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Pretty original to me.

Appealing product like the Charger is a thing of the past. DCX's more recent models would make a Chinese automaker blush.

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Don't get too hung up on the reported pricing. I'm sure it is wrong. Why would it's pricing not fall in line with other LX's (or LY's)? This needs to compete with the Mustang and Camaro, and will be priced accordingly. Even the limited production Prowler was not really that expensive when it came out.....and that was hand built. I will say that the Challenger can be purchased for just under $30K with a V8. They will probably sell a 5.7L HEMI version for $29,999.00

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Appealing product like the Charger is a thing of the past. DCX's more recent models would make a Chinese automaker blush.

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Nice method of trying to find the worst picture possible. It's too soon to tell if most of the pictured cars will not sell due to looks.....but I know the Caliber is a smashing success. I have a feeling the Compass will surprise everyone, and the Avenger will do really well, with the Sebring just doing O.K..

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I love the Avenger...and yeah using the base models is a great way to make a car look bad...but yeah the Avenger is 78% fleet...

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When a car does nothing in terms of progressing design, I (and countless others) consider it boring.

The Challenger is the least exciting model to debut in years. We've literally seen it all before.

How unoriginal can DCX get?

Agreed.

Consider it to be excellent looking, carrying the spirit of the Challenger, with modern proportions. It isn't a carbon copy of the original. It's very retro to be sure, but the proportions are very modern, as is the [concept's] interior.

So, for those who want a modern, practical muscle car, we have the Charger, and for those who want a retro, 2-door muscle car, we have teh Charger.

I for one love both the Camaro and Challenger designs, for different reasons. I love Chevrolet's modern take on the car, but I love Dodge's retro take on the Challenger. They took different takes on their icons, and neither one is bad.

Modern proportions? Other than it not being low like the original, it's nearly identical. Modern, my ass.

Appealing product like the Charger is a thing of the past. DCX's more recent models would make a Chinese automaker blush.

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Nice method of trying to find the worst picture possible. It's too soon to tell if most of the pictured cars will not sell due to looks.....but I know the Caliber is a smashing success. I have a feeling the Compass will surprise everyone, and the Avenger will do really well, with the Sebring just doing O.K..

They look like crap regardless.

As far as how well they're doing...

Dodge Avenger - 79% fleet

Dodge Caliber - 45% fleet

Chrysler Sebring - 63% fleet

Jeep Compass - 14% fleet

And for fun

Chrysler PT Cruiser - 62% fleet

Chrysler 300 - 44% fleet

Dodge Charger - 56% fleet

Dodge Magnum - 61% fleet

I'll concede that the Compass is doing far better than I thought it would, but otherwise... Pretty pathetic.

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