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Challanger Price Updated and it is More

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Here is the latest from Autoblog on the Challangers price.

Autoblog.com:

One of our readers pointed us to this page over at Dodge's website that contradicted our earlier post about the 2008 Challenger SRT-8's pricing, which was originally announced at $37,995 (including the $675 destination charge). We realize that inflation is a cruel mistress, but a bump in the sticker to $40,095 left us scratching our heads. A few emails back and forth between the people at Chrysler revealed that the SRT-8 was slapped with a $2100 gas-guzzler penalty that accounted for the discrepancy in price. Not a real surprise considering the 425 hp 6.1-liter HEMI V8. As a comparison, however, the Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 gets a $1300 consumption penalty, even with 75 more horses under the hood. A quick search over at fueleconomy.gov revealed that if Challenger SRT-8 owners are penalized $2100, that means that they'll also only be getting between 18.5 and 19.5 mpg in the combined cycle

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Oil at $90-$100 a barrel, gas guzzler taxes and V8s do not mix well together.

Anyone remember "death of the V8"? If you do, please discuss for my viewing pleasure :AH-HA_wink:

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TICK-TOCK! :AH-HA_wink:

Hey... stop it already!!!

My V8 gets 30 mpg highway and it's almost 8 years old... I'd hope these newer ones could match that on the highway and improve on the streets. The problem isn't the fuel economy as much as it is the "premium" fuel requirement.

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That sucks and I think sales may hurt because of it. I still don't get why they don't put MDS in the 6.1.

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That sucks and I think sales may hurt because of it. I still don't get why they don't put MDS in the 6.1.

I think it's because it increases the valvetrain weight, so they can't rev as high or as quickly.
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Anyone remember "death of the V8"? If you do, please discuss for my viewing pleasure :AH-HA_wink:

Those who ridiculed Evok (whom I greatly miss) for that thread will eat their words. With 35 mpg CAFE about to become law, even V6's will be rare in 10 years.
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TICK-TOCK! :AH-HA_wink:

Because every RWD car that has optional V8 power is going to have gas guzzler tax. Yep, really Tick-tock here. Those V6 and I4 Pontiacs are surely going to have gas guzzler tax since this 4000lb 425HP V8 Challenger does. Yep, the two go hand in hand :rolleyes:

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My 400hp V8 car isn't driven more than 500 miles a year, so whatever :D

I don't think it'll be THAT drastic... I think innovation will allow for V8's to stick around. Maybe not to the point that they are now though.

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Prices and gas guzzler taxes are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

A car's MSRP is not "changed" because someone then figures in the gas guzzler tax! :stupid:

I'm assuming another thread will be started when the destination charges and PDI costs are factored in too.

LOL!!!

Come on guys.

*sigh*

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Hey... stop it already!!!

My V8 gets 30 mpg highway and it's almost 8 years old... I'd hope these newer ones could match that on the highway and improve on the streets. The problem isn't the fuel economy as much as it is the "premium" fuel requirement.

Mine gets 30 plus as well granted its 75 horse less than the challenger ... but still

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Those who ridiculed Evok (whom I greatly miss) for that thread will eat their words.

I think that (except for FOG's post above), all of them missed evok's point about the V8 dying as a volume option. I think his point was the V8 becoming in the US what it is in Europe: a high-end, low volume alternative.

Prices and gas guzzler taxes are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

A car's MSRP is not "changed" because someone then figures in the gas guzzler tax! :stupid:

I'm assuming another thread will be started when the destination charges and PDI costs are factored in too.

LOL!!!

Come on guys.

*sigh*

Different things, yes. Where we differ is that I don't expect US makers subsidizing V8-engined cars (in the form of keeping MSRP unchanged and thus giving up part of their margins to compensate for the gas guzzler taxes the manufacturers pay to the IRS) much longer. Edited by ZL-1
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I think that (except for FOG's post above), all of them missed evok's point about the V8 dying as a volume option. I think his point was the V8 becoming in the US what it is in Europe: a high-end, low volume alternative.

Different things, yes. Where we differ is that I don't expect US makers subsidizing V8-engined cars (in the form of keeping MSRP unchanged and thus giving up part of their margins to compensate for the gas guzzler taxes the manufacturers pay to the IRS) much longer.

Except for premium import luxury models, sports cars, trucks and SUVs, V8s haven't really been a high volume option in the US market in many years....currently, the domestics offer V8s in a few niche performance models (Mustang, GTO, G8) and a few larger sedans (Grand Marquis, STS, DTS, Lucerne, Town Car, 300C, Magnum, Charger).

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Those who ridiculed Evok (whom I greatly miss) for that thread will eat their words. With 35 mpg CAFE about to become law, even V6's will be rare in 10 years.

I miss him too! But my Spiddy sense tells me he's closer than you think!

Edited by Pontiac Custom-S
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Because every RWD car that has optional V8 power is going to have gas guzzler tax. Yep, really Tick-tock here. Those V6 and I4 Pontiacs are surely going to have gas guzzler tax since this 4000lb 425HP V8 Challenger does. Yep, the two go hand in hand :rolleyes:

Did I say every RWD? The exchange rates will either kill the G8 or GM will be forced to move the G8 to North America, sooner, rather than later. The crude oil price is just icing on the cake. And yes TICK-TICK, it's coming! :AH-HA_wink:

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Lets put it this way were getting the G8 and if it gets moved to NA it does. If not oh well that doesn't change its smashing good looks or its excellent driving dynamics.

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Except for premium import luxury models, sports cars, trucks and SUVs, V8s haven't really been a high volume option in the US market in many years....currently, the domestics offer V8s in a few niche performance models (Mustang, GTO, G8) and a few larger sedans (Grand Marquis, STS, DTS, Lucerne, Town Car, 300C, Magnum, Charger).

V8s are certainly not as mainstream as the 1960s, but I believe there's much more offer of V8 powered cars in the US relative to Europe and the rest of the World. That will change if gas prices don't fall. In order not to be accused of 'Tick-Tock-ing', I'm saying I don't see V8 SS Impalas and Super Lacrosses surviving long in a world of $100-a-barrel oil.

Unfortunately, I believe only OEMs have the breakdown needed to analyse the issue in detail, but I'm pretty this discussion is ongoing in all 3 US OEMs right now: product planning needs to face oil at $100 or $120 a barrel. Right now.

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I miss him too! But my Spiddy sense tells me he's closer than you think!

I miss his posts... He seemed to separate the enthusiast side of things from the tough-business-decisions side of things pretty well: I like that!

I wonder if he's tick-tock-ing too? :P

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Did I say every RWD? The exchange rates will either kill the G8 or GM will be forced to move the G8 to North America, sooner, rather than later. The crude oil price is just icing on the cake. And yes TICK-TICK, it's coming! :AH-HA_wink:

So then what does your original tick-tock post have anything to do with the Challenger if that's all you're implying? The G8 and Challenger are totally different vehicles and the Challenger having gas-guzzler tax has nothing to do with the G8 and exchange rates.

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wait doesnt the vette escape the gas guzzler tax?

Yes, the Vette gets good enough gas mileage to escape it. The Challenger's weight really hurts it in MPG.

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So then what does your original TICK-TOCK post have anything to do with the Challenger if that's all you're implying? The G8 and Challenger are totally different vehicles and the Challenger having gas-guzzler tax has nothing to do with the G8 and exchange rates.

Northie you seem upset, you shouldn't let two little words like TICK-TOCK bother you like that. Take a minute to relax, Lord knows I don't want you to stroke out over 2 little words.

My TICK-TOCK was in respone to this statement below, meaning any car with this combination of factors is doomed to extinction, hence the TICK-TOCK. So if you have crude at a high price + gas guzzler taxes + V8 it will equal extinction of that vehicle.

Oil at $90-$100 a barrel, gas guzzler taxes and V8s do not mix well together.

Oh and yes I know the Challenger and the G8 are different, however you seem to always think when I talk about V8's and RWD, I'm talking about the Holden G8, oops I mean Pontiac, thats why I was letting you know I don't have to bad mouth the car, it will fall all on it's own by the exchange rates alone, if GM doesn't do something and soon.

The G8 will be built in NA in the not too distant future.

Yes Chris, we are in agreement on that, no matter what Holden says! :AH-HA_wink:

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